Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to paper. The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off steps, and reading in my recliner. 73, Mike NF4L On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I want without a computer. Scott KF5MHS On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnamdaleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
Electronic media is great (I've got a Kindle and love it!) HOWEVER, I like to have something I can hold in my hands and turn the pages, especially when working on gear or doing a D-I-Y project. As for my K2 and K3 rigs, I've print off copies of the product reviews in QST, along with mods/fixes from the Elecraft site, and have had them bound at Staples or Office Max, into a tech-manual that I can use when I work on the radios. Also included are copies of e-mails from Gary Surrency, AB7MY, and Ron Wilhelm, W4FPR, that have answered specific questions I've had regarding the rigs. All this info is in addition to the written manual. The nice part about my home made tech-manual is it is coil bound and lays flat on the workbench or can be folded back upon itself to save workbench area if needed. Unfortunately, the odd size of the K2 option build/installation bulletins means they don't fit the standard 8.5 x 11 inch paper format. Therefore, I have them bound in a separate coil bound volume that I can grab if needed. All this sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but it is worth it when I really need information in a hurry. It saves me from shuffling through stacks of manuals, paperwork, used bookie slips, traffic tickets, etc!! Vy 73 es Gud DX Rich Arland, K7SZ Cogito Ergo CQ! (I think therefore I HAM! w/apologies to Rene Descartes 1596-1650) Columnist: The Learning Curve CQ Magazine Columnist: QRP Power QST Magazine (Jan 2000 to Dec 2003) Author: The ARRL's Low Power Communications, The Art and Science of QRP (all 4 editions) Political understatement of the decade: The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those people who vote for a living! (de: Dr Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 05:29:41 -0400 From: n...@nf4l.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to paper. The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off steps, and reading in my recliner. 73, Mike NF4L On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I want without a computer. Scott KF5MHS On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnamdaleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
Mike sums it up nicely, as do a number of others, both paper and digital are nice for their own aspects. I wonder, tho, if there is a good way to utilize both... the digital one could be stored inside the radio, the paper kept safe while traveling away.Now if I can find a way to transfer the margin notes from the paper, into the digital, in the same margin space.. on the same page.Thank you all for your suggestions and affirmations. --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From: k...@live.com To: n...@nf4l.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:39:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals Electronic media is great (I've got a Kindle and love it!) HOWEVER, I like to have something I can hold in my hands and turn the pages, especially when working on gear or doing a D-I-Y project. As for my K2 and K3 rigs, I've print off copies of the product reviews in QST, along with mods/fixes from the Elecraft site, and have had them bound at Staples or Office Max, into a tech-manual that I can use when I work on the radios. Also included are copies of e-mails from Gary Surrency, AB7MY, and Ron Wilhelm, W4FPR, that have answered specific questions I've had regarding the rigs. All this info is in addition to the written manual. The nice part about my home made tech-manual is it is coil bound and lays flat on the workbench or can be folded back upon itself to save workbench area if needed. Unfortunately, the odd size of the K2 option build/installation bulletins means they don't fit the standard 8.5 x 11 inch paper format. Therefore, I have them bound in a separate coil bound volume that I can grab if needed. All this sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but it is worth it when I really need information in a hurry. It saves me from shuffling through stacks of manuals, paperwork, used bookie slips, traffic tickets, etc!! Vy 73 es Gud DX Rich Arland, K7SZ Cogito Ergo CQ! (I think therefore I HAM! w/apologies to Rene Descartes 1596-1650) Columnist: The Learning Curve CQ Magazine Columnist: QRP Power QST Magazine (Jan 2000 to Dec 2003) Author: The ARRL's Low Power Communications, The Art and Science of QRP (all 4 editions) Political understatement of the decade: The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those people who vote for a living! (de: Dr Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 05:29:41 -0400 From: n...@nf4l.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95,Issue 50 - Electronic manuals It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to paper. The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off steps, and reading in my recliner. 73, Mike NF4L On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I want without a computer. Scott KF5MHS On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
I have all ten of my radio manuals on my smart phone. Not the easiest to use but they are always with me and I can always find something I don't remember how to do. Electronic capability is great. I print portions of most of my manuals for ready reference. I spend a considerable amount of time in quickie restaurants waiting and always have manuals and procedures with me to read. 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: Mike n...@nf4l.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95,Issue 50 - Electronic manuals It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to paper. The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off steps, and reading in my recliner. 73, Mike NF4L On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I want without a computer. Scott KF5MHS On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnamdaleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
I have all of the Elecraft manuals of interest on my iPad (I just got a new iPad to replace my original iPad and the resolution makes reading these new manuals a new experience). I could never read them on my iPhone. 73, phil, K7PEH On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Miller KG0KP wrote: I have all ten of my radio manuals on my smart phone. Not the easiest to use but they are always with me and I can always find something I don't remember how to do. Electronic capability is great. I print portions of most of my manuals for ready reference. I spend a considerable amount of time in quickie restaurants waiting and always have manuals and procedures with me to read. 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: Mike n...@nf4l.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95,Issue 50 - Electronic manuals It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to paper. The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off steps, and reading in my recliner. 73, Mike NF4L On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I want without a computer. Scott KF5MHS On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnamdaleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
I wonder if this is a matter of K2 vs K3? K2 needs a printed manual because you need to make notes while you're building. The K3 is closer to a pre-built system. My problem is that Elecraft doesn't incorporate the Errata into the mainline manual as quickly as I'd like, so I have to edit the instructions before I start building. Otherwise, the instructions are like: 1) do something 2) before you do the first thing something, do this instead 3) do something else The mod kit to the KPA100 was like this and that's been out for a half-dozen years! Ah well, at least it makes it more like building a normal kit. :) -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - ht...@twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
OK, now you know the deep, dark, Arland Family Secret: I am dyslexic!!! Abd I CAN'T TYPE Vy 73 es Gud DX Rich Arland, K7SZ Cogito Ergo CQ! (I think therefore I HAM! w/apologies to Rene Descartes 1596-1650) Columnist: The Learning Curve CQ Magazine Columnist: QRP Power QST Magazine (Jan 2000 to Dec 2003) Author: The ARRL's Low Power Communications, The Art and Science of QRP (all 4 editions) Political understatement of the decade: The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those people who vote for a living! (de: Dr Jack Wheeler) From: raysil...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:27:54 -0400 To: k...@live.com HI Rich: FYI...(whispering into your ear)... it's Don Wilhelm.. not Ron. :) 73 de Ray K2ULR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam daleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
Ron, Yes and I can a manual faster than the electronic PDF. Where the PDF shines is in finding something, of course if you use the correct search language. As I age I sometimes find remembering the right term eludes me.:-) 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:05 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam daleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
Seconded. Indeed, I tape a 3x5 card to an inside panel on each piece of equipment I modify so I have a list of changes made that can't be lost. On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam daleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I want without a computer. Scott KF5MHS On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for new products or updates to manuals significantly. 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change. Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically, perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does not require any technology to read it. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a Elecraft branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio. Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs. Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals online. Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way. 73, Bob, B4SON On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnamdaleput...@hotmail.com wrote: The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas? --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
