Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
Jim Brown-10 wrote The 7600 is also an RF trash generator -- clicks and phase noise abound. Not as bad as many others...Flex Radios the worst by far: Model QST Rx @20 kHz Tx @20 kHz Diff Tx Wide (-dBc) (-dBc) (dB) (-dBc) K3 Jan 09 112 (104) 119 -7 128@100kHz, 120@360kHz TS-599AT Aug 11 115 (93) 108 7 112@100kHz IC-7600 Nov 09 105 (100) 102 3 111@100kHz IC-7700 Oct 08 109 (105) 108 1 110@100kHz TS-590S May 11 120 (104) 106 14 110@100kHz KX3 Dec 12 120 (105) 97 23 107@100kHz IC-9100 Apr 12 101 101 0 105@100kHz FTdx5000 Dec 10 109 (104) 104 5 103@100kHz FT-950 Mar 08 86 (105) 100 -14 102@100kHz FTdx9000 Jul 10 114 101 13 100@100kHz FT-450D Nov 11 98 85 13 96@100kHz IC-7200 Jun 09 103 95 8 94@100kHz Flex-1500 Dec 11 107 (88) 101 6 81@300kHz Flex-5000A Jul 08 99 (96) 91 8 77@350kHz http://www.sm5bsz.com/dynrange/dubus313.pdf 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K2-cumulative-HF-xcvr-review-from-eHam-tp7582044p7582068.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
On 12/26/2013 4:36 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: The 7600 is also an RF trash generator -- clicks and phase noise abound. Not as bad as many others...Flex Radios the worst by far: That does not consider clicks -- most if not all Icom radios have a leading spike, and the keying rise time on the 7600 is adjustable over a wide range, most settings of which produce broad clicks. Can't speak to the Flex radios -- so far, I've not lived close to one. Thanks for the link to the SM5BSZ review. Your copy of the table doesn't work very well in email, but the data in Leif's report is quite clear. It says that the 7600 is 11dB worse than the K3 -- that's 12X the power of the trash within 20 kHz for phase noise alone! 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
On 12/26/2013 10:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote: It says that the 7600 is 11dB worse than the K3 -- that's 12X the power of the trash within 20 kHz for phase noise alone! Correction -- the 7600 is 17 dB worse than the K3, 50X the power of the trash from phase noise. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
Hope this prints OK. While doodling around today, I thought to take a look at the eHam.net product reviews. Somewhat difficult to make a lot of sense from it, so I thought I'd import it into Excel. I've limited the list below to those rigs with 100 or more reviews. The sort is by average rating, then # of reviews. Interesting stuff...and not too shabby for Elecraft K3 and K2. KUDOS. I'm happy to report that at some point in my ham career, I've owned the first 3 listed. I may regret this, but if you'd like the entire excel file, drop me a line. Then you can sort it any number of ways you like, for every single radio ever reviewed. This listing is as of Dec 25, 2013 around 2030z. de Doug KR2Q ReviewsAve ratingProduct 2094.9 Elecraft K3 1184.9 Kenwood TS-830S 2894.8 Elecraft K2 K2/100 2184.8 ICOM IC-756 Pro III 1874.8 Kenwood TS-480SAT 1594.8 ICOM IC-7200 1324.8 Yaesu FT-990 1174.8 Kenwood TS-850 1134.8 Kenwood TS-480HX 1094.8 Yaesu FT-1000MP Mk V Field 1064.8 Yaesu FT-1000(D) 1004.8 Kenwood TS-520S 2434.7 ICOM IC-746 2394.7 Kenwood TS-590S 1624.7 Yaesu FT-920 1554.7 Kenwood TS-870S 1504.7 Yaesu FT-840 1424.7 ICOM IC-756PRO 1164.7 Kenwood TS-940SAT 1134.7 ICOM IC-735 1134.7 ICOM IC-7600 3934.6 ICOM IC-718 3554.6 Yaesu FT-897 897D 2724.6 Yaesu FT-950 2294.6 Yaesu FT-450 1794.6 Kenwood TS-570D(G) 1644.6 Ten-Tec Jupiter 1464.6 ICOM IC-756PRO2 4784.5 Kenwood TS-2000 4254.5 Yaesu FT-857 - all flavors 1244.5 ICOM IC-7700 4554.4 ICOM IC-706 - All flavors 1664.4 Yaesu FT-847 1524.4 Alinco DX-70TH 3104.3 ICOM IC-7000 2054.3 Yaesu FT-2000/2000D 1764.3 Icom IC 703 1634.3 Yaesu FT-1000MP Mk V 3414.2 ICOM IC-746PRO 1874.2 Yaesu FT-100D 1344.2 Radio Shack HTX-10 1103.7 Yaesu FT-100 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
On 12/25/2013 1:06 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote: I've limited the list below to those rigs with 100 or more reviews. The sort is by average rating, then # of reviews. I wouldn't put too much credence in a sort like this -- ratings like this are highly subjective, based on factors like expectations, intended use, relative cost, and experience and the technical background of the reviewer. Is it the guy's first rig, or has he owned and used a dozen or more over decades on the air? Is he a serious DXer, contester, or casual ragchewer? All product reviews must be read through a strong BS filter. In this particular list, for example, the TS480 is unique, being one of the first (and still few) HF rigs specifically designed for remote operation. Likewise, the 746 (I've owned two) provides a lot of bang for the buck and is fairly robust, but it's got lots of phase noise and a weak front end. The 7600 is also an RF trash generator -- clicks and phase noise abound. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
Jim, K9YC sed: [snip] I wouldn't put too much credence in a sort like this -- ratings like this are highly subjective [end snip] Which is exactly why I limited the list to 100 or more reviews. I figure that folks who buy, or might buy, a K3 or K2 (or any other rig), are probably as subjective as these reviews. Hence, increased validity overall for the average Joe Ham. If you were to review only serious contesters, I'm sure the K3 would stand out even more. But most of the reviews, by category of reviewer, are not from contesters. So I think the list is still reasonably apples to apples...but your warning is absolutely true. mx es hny! de Doug KR2Q __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
Interesting list, but I just bought a DX-40 on ebay and it's not on it. Did I screw up? Eric KE6US On 12/25/2013 1:06 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote: Hope this prints OK. While doodling around today, I thought to take a look at the eHam.net product reviews. Somewhat difficult to make a lot of sense from it, so I thought I'd import it into Excel. I've limited the list below to those rigs with 100 or more reviews. The sort is by average rating, then # of reviews. Interesting stuff...and not too shabby for Elecraft K3 and K2. KUDOS. I'm happy to report that at some point in my ham career, I've owned the first 3 listed. I may regret this, but if you'd like the entire excel file, drop me a line. Then you can sort it any number of ways you like, for every single radio ever reviewed. This listing is as of Dec 25, 2013 around 2030z. de Doug KR2Q ReviewsAve ratingProduct 2094.9 Elecraft K3 1184.9 Kenwood TS-830S 2894.8 Elecraft K2 K2/100 2184.8 ICOM IC-756 Pro III 1874.8 Kenwood TS-480SAT 1594.8 ICOM IC-7200 1324.8 Yaesu FT-990 1174.8 Kenwood TS-850 1134.8 Kenwood TS-480HX 1094.8 Yaesu FT-1000MP Mk V Field 1064.8 Yaesu FT-1000(D) 1004.8 Kenwood TS-520S 2434.7 ICOM IC-746 2394.7 Kenwood TS-590S 1624.7 Yaesu FT-920 1554.7 Kenwood TS-870S 1504.7 Yaesu FT-840 1424.7 ICOM IC-756PRO 1164.7 Kenwood TS-940SAT 1134.7 ICOM IC-735 1134.7 ICOM IC-7600 3934.6 ICOM IC-718 3554.6 Yaesu FT-897 897D 2724.6 Yaesu FT-950 2294.6 Yaesu FT-450 1794.6 Kenwood TS-570D(G) 1644.6 Ten-Tec Jupiter 1464.6 ICOM IC-756PRO2 4784.5 Kenwood TS-2000 4254.5 Yaesu FT-857 - all flavors 1244.5 ICOM IC-7700 4554.4 ICOM IC-706 - All flavors 1664.4 Yaesu FT-847 1524.4 Alinco DX-70TH 3104.3 ICOM IC-7000 2054.3 Yaesu FT-2000/2000D 1764.3 Icom IC 703 1634.3 Yaesu FT-1000MP Mk V 3414.2 ICOM IC-746PRO 1874.2 Yaesu FT-100D 1344.2 Radio Shack HTX-10 1103.7 Yaesu FT-100 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
With 2 more reviews, the venerable Icom IC-751A would top the list at 5.0. 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
Good point Eric. You demonstate how much personal interests affect how a rig might be rated. Compared to what a DX-40 has to offer the antique enthusiast, all of the rigs on Doug's list don't even make the list, Hi! 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Interesting list, but I just bought a DX-40 on ebay and it's not on it. Did I screw up? Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
Interesting stats, Doug. I expected the KX3 to be right up there near the top, too, but then I realized it has only 99 reviews. Just missed The Cutoff :) eHam is a highly approximate metric for radio quality. But I do read every review, since they're are often posted by customers who aren't subscribed to our reflector. Lots of valuable observations, ideas for improvement, etc. Wayne N6KR On Dec 25, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Douglas Zwiebel doug...@gmail.com wrote: Hope this prints OK. While doodling around today, I thought to take a look at the eHam.net product reviews. Somewhat difficult to make a lot of sense from it, so I thought I'd import it into Excel. I've limited the list below to those rigs with 100 or more reviews. The sort is by average rating, then # of reviews. Interesting stuff...and not too shabby for Elecraft K3 and K2. KUDOS. I'm happy to report that at some point in my ham career, I've owned the first 3 listed. I may regret this, but if you'd like the entire excel file, drop me a line. Then you can sort it any number of ways you like, for every single radio ever reviewed. This listing is as of Dec 25, 2013 around 2030z. de Doug KR2Q ReviewsAve ratingProduct 2094.9 Elecraft K3 1184.9 Kenwood TS-830S 2894.8 Elecraft K2 K2/100 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
From your perspective Wayne, i'd read them all too. From my perspective as just a ham, I've pretty much given up on eHam reviews. Like me trying to learn how to pilot a helicopter, they are all over the sky. Plus, I don't know who they are, what they expected, whether or not that was realistic, or whether the actually knew what they were doing. Merry Christmas to all Fred K6DGW TDY Sparks NV PS: Never did learn to pilot the helicopter effectively Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: Interesting stats, Doug. I expected the KX3 to be right up there near the top, too, but then I realized it has only 99 reviews. Just missed The Cutoff :) eHam is a highly approximate metric for radio quality. But I do read every review, since they're are often posted by customers who aren't subscribed to our reflector. Lots of valuable observations, ideas for improvement, etc. Wayne N6KR On Dec 25, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Douglas Zwiebel doug...@gmail.com wrote: Hope this prints OK. While doodling around today, I thought to take a look at the eHam.net product reviews. Somewhat difficult to make a lot of sense from it, so I thought I'd import it into Excel. I've limited the list below to those rigs with 100 or more reviews. The sort is by average rating, then # of reviews. Interesting stuff...and not too shabby for Elecraft K3 and K2. KUDOS. I'm happy to report that at some point in my ham career, I've owned the first 3 listed. I may regret this, but if you'd like the entire excel file, drop me a line. Then you can sort it any number of ways you like, for every single radio ever reviewed. This listing is as of Dec 25, 2013 around 2030z. de Doug KR2Q ReviewsAve ratingProduct 2094.9 Elecraft K3 1184.9 Kenwood TS-830S 2894.8 Elecraft K2 K2/100 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/K2: cumulative HF xcvr review from eHam
On 12/25/2013 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Lots of valuable observations, ideas for improvement, etc. That's why you guys have always been in front of the pack! 73, Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
