Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:35:39 -0400, Joe, W4TV wrote: The key are dedicated band select buttons that allow random access (direct switching) selection with the ability to choose alternate saved frequencies (generally, on the other modes) with successive presses of the specific band button. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Just wondering... in that scheme, is the particular mode always retained when you switch to a new band? Or might you have to push the button a time or two to get back to the same mode on the new band. I assume people don't generally check out all the modes on a particular band before switching to the next band. Seems more natural to choose a mode then jump to other bands while in the same mode. As I mentioned in another post, you could have pretty much the same capability as the multiple band buttons by using only the Band Up and Band Down buttons, if they were made mode specific. For example, in CW the buttons would step through one set of freqs/filter settings; in USB/LSB they would step through another different set; likewise for AM, etc. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Don Wilhelm wrote: Do you really want band *stacking* memories? A stacking memory is first-in, last out, so you have to drill down through the stack to get the one you want. That seems likea much worse situation than the normal band up/down switch which is a double ended stack. I find it confusing to have people request a feature with a confusing name and not explain exactly what it means, but it seems to me that what people are asking for might be slightly better described as stacking band registers. What they want is a stack, for each band as well as a button for each band. The stack isn't a true stack, as it is of limited depth, popping it is non-destructive and underflowing wraps round. (I'd need to use one of the rigs that actually implements this to get the fine details, so people requesting need to specify in more detail). From the discussion, I think what they really want is either most recently used behaviour (with some means to nominate which settings are significant) or one sub-register for each mode (in which case there might be some most recently used behaviour, but there won't really be any stacking). (It's possible that some of the band stacking register rigs really are using some form of most recently used behaviour.) If you are referring to something different, then please do not call it a stack - the definition of a memory stack has been quite clear since the first days of microprocessors. The terminology predates microprocessors. It's necessary to describe Algol 60, which was started in the late 1950s, and is probably even older than that. The Art of Computer Programming was written in the mid-60s, and would certainly have fixed the usage of the term by then. On the other hand, in my software development career, I've found it not that uncommon for management track people (i.e. strong marketing skills to promulgate the usage, but weak enough technically not to understand it is wrong) to introduce all sorts of misusages into project, or even company, jargon, specifically including stacks. -- David Woolley The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio List Guidelines http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
The Art of Computer Programming was written in the mid-60s, and would certainly have fixed the usage of the term by then. _was_ written in the mid-60s? ... volume 1 maybe. Volume 4 is currently shown as 'in preparation'. When I first realized that the work had expanded to 7 volumes I was afraid I wouldn't have the $'s to purchase the entire set. Now I wonder if I'll live long enough. http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html Mark AD5SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Mark Bayern wrote: The Art of Computer Programming was written in the mid-60s, and would certainly have fixed the usage of the term by then. _was_ written in the mid-60s? ... volume 1 maybe. Volume 4 is currently shown as 'in preparation'. When I first realized that the work had expanded to 7 volumes I was afraid I wouldn't have the $'s to purchase the entire set. Now I wonder if I'll live long enough. http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html Mark AD5SS Another question is whether Don Knuth will live to complete all 7 volumes! (or even the 5 volumes that he promised 'for certain'). I recall he was working in the computer lab as a grad student at Case Tech when I started there in 1958. At that time, he pretty much dominated the entire computer lab. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
The biggest problem with all of this is that different manufacturers have given different names to the same thing and the same name to different things. We can talk about band stacking registers (no clue as to what those do even tho' I have them in my Icom rig), memories, etc., until we are blue in the face but the real question is, what is the goal of this feature? When designing computer networking equipment my customers used to drive me nuts with requests for various features they had seen in other products. After much poking and prodding I would usually find out that it was some feature that someone else had been sold upon by another vendor. Getting people to tell me what problem they were trying to actually solve was like pulling teeth. OTOH, once I found out what problem they were trying to solve, it was usually quite easy to do that AND incorporate it with something else to make the whole thing simpler for everyone. So here is my guess at what people are trying to accomplish. As I tune across the band I often hear a signal that sounds interesting, e.g. a station in QSO that I want to go back to or a pile- up I don't want to try to deal with now, but I don't want to stop there. I want to keep going. So usually I quickly scribble the frequency on a piece of paper but lately I have taken to use the VFO A/ B to remember the frequency in VFO B while continuing to tune with VFO A (not much use when working split). So I think what people are asking for is a way to hit a single button to drop the frequency, mode, and filter setting in to temporary memory that will remember the last n (2? 3? 10?) button pushes. Then you can move through these by pushing some kind of go-to-previous/go-to-next button. That way you can immediately jump back to something you had previously heard. (I like the idea of a knob myself but a forward/back toggle works too.) I don't know that I would get all excited about that -- heck, I think that there are already WAY to many features on most radios and all the features make operation confusing -- but I can imagine someone wanting to do this, especially during a contest. So, is this a good problem statement? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com P.S. -- Pet peeve -- radios with a plethora of computer features but crappy RF hardware. Now the K3 may be well on the way to the plethora of useless features but at least it has a great RF deck. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Don Wilhelm wrote: If you are referring to something different, then please do not call it a stack - the definition of a memory stack has been quite clear since the first days of microprocessors. Actually, well before the first u-processors. The first stack architecture computers I can remember came from Burroughs, a company that was always just a couple of steps ahead of the pack which, unfortunately, was far enough to lead to their ultimate demise. The Burroughs D-824 [I think I remember that right] was a room full of 7 foot cabinets that ran the back-up air defense system for NORAD in the late 60's and early 70's. SW was written in JOVIAL. I wish I understood the issue with band changing. All of my radios [FT-847, TS-850, KX1, K2, and K3] have band-up/band-down buttons which has always worked for me. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
That sounds like a ring, or circular queue, in CS terms. I'm another who has never quite understand what a band-stacking memory is, or does. 73, Dave KQ3T David Woolley (E.L) wrote: What they want is a stack, for each band as well as a button for each band. The stack isn't a true stack, as it is of limited depth, popping it is non-destructive and underflowing wraps round. (I'd need to use one of the rigs that actually implements this to get the fine details, so people requesting need to specify in more detail). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:17:24 -0700, Brian, WB6RQN wrote: As I tune across the band I often hear a signal that sounds interesting, e.g. a station in QSO that I want to go back to or a pile- up I don't want to try to deal with now, but I don't want to stop there. I want to keep going. So usually I quickly scribble the frequency on a piece of paper but lately I have taken to use the VFO A/ B to remember the frequency in VFO B while continuing to tune with VFO A (not much use when working split). So I think what people are asking for is a way to hit a single button to drop the frequency, mode, and filter setting in to temporary memory that will remember the last n (2? 3? 10?) button pushes. Then you can move through these by pushing some kind of go-to-previous/go-to-next button. That way you can immediately jump back to something you had previously heard. (I like the idea of a knob myself but a forward/back toggle works too.) I'd often thought that idea would be good for a TV remote control unit (instead of the standard single-channel Last memory button)... until I realized that I often click through a hundred cable channels and there is not one channel I want to go back to, let alone many... But yes, that would be a nice feature for a ham rig (and especially a general coverage receiver), in my opinion. I've also been day-dreaming about a mode-specific Band Up/Down switch. For example, in CW mode the frequencies/settings recalled by cycling through Band Up/Down would be different than those when you are in USB/LSB. Or AM, etc. This would suit me because I usually stick to a single mode and jump around the bands, rather than switching among different modes within a single band. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
So, is this a good problem statement? Negative. This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+. The object is to have single press access to a desired band, on the last freq and mode you used - without ever needing to specifically perform a save operation of that frequency and mode in the past. The rig is smart enough to know anytime that you leave a band using memory recall or FREQ ENT, to store the last band's freq, mode, and filter settings for single button recall later. The stacking art of the idea happens when the rig is smart enough to save (for example) the last 3 places you were on 10 meters, without you ever having to press a button. For example, the first press of the 10 meter button would call up 28.010 CW 500hz, the second press, 28.400 usb, and the third press, 29.600 FM with PL and negative offset - if these were the last three spots on 10 meters where you were operating. You never have to press save, you have an automatic bread crumb trail of all the most recent places you've been [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Brian Lloyd brian-wb6rqn at lloyd.com Sat May 31 13:17:24 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... The biggest problem with all of this is that different manufacturers have given different names to the same thing and the same name to different things. We can talk about band stacking registers (no clue as to what those do even tho' I have them in my Icom rig), memories, etc., until we are blue in the face but the real question is, what is the goal of this feature? When designing computer networking equipment my customers used to drive me nuts with requests for various features they had seen in other products. After much poking and prodding I would usually find out that it was some feature that someone else had been sold upon by another vendor. Getting people to tell me what problem they were trying to actually solve was like pulling teeth. OTOH, once I found out what problem they were trying to solve, it was usually quite easy to do that AND incorporate it with something else to make the whole thing simpler for everyone. So here is my guess at what people are trying to accomplish. As I tune across the band I often hear a signal that sounds interesting, e.g. a station in QSO that I want to go back to or a pile- up I don't want to try to deal with now, but I don't want to stop there. I want to keep going. So usually I quickly scribble the frequency on a piece of paper but lately I have taken to use the VFO A/ B to remember the frequency in VFO B while continuing to tune with VFO A (not much use when working split). So I think what people are asking for is a way to hit a single button to drop the frequency, mode, and filter setting in to temporary memory that will remember the last n (2? 3? 10?) button pushes. Then you can move through these by pushing some kind of go-to-previous/go-to-next button. That way you can immediately jump back to something you had previously heard. (I like the idea of a knob myself but a forward/back toggle works too.) I don't know that I would get all excited about that -- heck, I think that there are already WAY to many features on most radios and all the features make operation confusing -- but I can imagine someone wanting to do this, especially during a contest. So, is this a good problem statement? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com P.S. -- Pet peeve -- radios with a plethora of computer features but crappy RF hardware. Now the K3 may be well on the way to the plethora of useless features but at least it has a great RF deck. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+. The same description applies to the Yaesu FT-920, FT-950, FT-990, FT-1000D, FT-1000MP, Mark V, FT-2000, FTdx9000, etc. The number of last used frequencies on a given band may differ (two in the early radios, three or even four in the later ones) but the operation is consistent. The key are dedicated band select buttons that allow random access (direct switching) selection with the ability to choose alternate saved frequencies (generally, on the other modes) with successive presses of the specific band button. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Rasmussen Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:32 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... So, is this a good problem statement? Negative. This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+. The object is to have single press access to a desired band, on the last freq and mode you used - without ever needing to specifically perform a save operation of that frequency and mode in the past. The rig is smart enough to know anytime that you leave a band using memory recall or FREQ ENT, to store the last band's freq, mode, and filter settings for single button recall later. The stacking art of the idea happens when the rig is smart enough to save (for example) the last 3 places you were on 10 meters, without you ever having to press a button. For example, the first press of the 10 meter button would call up 28.010 CW 500hz, the second press, 28.400 usb, and the third press, 29.600 FM with PL and negative offset - if these were the last three spots on 10 meters where you were operating. You never have to press save, you have an automatic bread crumb trail of all the most recent places you've been ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
Alan and All, I had nearly the same setup back in 1961-2 while stationed in Berlin, Germany. Built the Apache, which worked great, then added the SB-10 shortly thereafter. That was my first SSB venture, and you are right--the reports were good. Problem was though, the Apache was not the most stable transmitter ever designed! I had an annoying drift problem, which really gets accentuated on SSB. But Heathkit readily attributed it to a design flaw on their part, and sent me different capacitors to use (temp. compensating). Got the Apache settled down sufficiently (but not 100%), and life was good! Kind of a brick though, compared to my 8 pound K3! Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Alan Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing... Many (many, many) years ago my station consisted of a Heathkit Apache TX1 transmitter, Mohawk RX-1 receiver, and SB-10 SSB adapter. I figured that I had to switch or adjust a minimum of ---12--- controls to change bands. If I needed to change between LSB and USB, add two more for a total of 14. And that does not include switching antennas and changing the dial frequency if required (on both transmitter and receiver). That also does not include my 6 and 2 meter transverters. In those days I thought twice before deciding to change bands. :=) On the other hand, the SB-10 phasing-type SSB exciter had absolutely WONDERFUL-sounding audio. I got unsolicited compliments on nearly every QSO. Al N1AL P.S. The list as I recall it: TX-1: Bandswitch Tune/operate switch Driver tuning Driver gain Plate tuning Plate loading RX-1: Bandswitch Antenna trimmer SB-10: Bandswitch Carrier null #1 Carrier null #2 Tuning On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 13:33, Bob Nielsen wrote: You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^) Bob, N7XY On May 29, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on again, then tuning the rig for the new band. Mark AD5SS On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 presses? -- A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973) On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote: What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I've often looked at modern components and realized how easy it'd be to homebrew a phasing exciter. As a 99.9% CW buff, I've not been highly I believe that most, if not all, DSP (i.e. both K3 type and PC type SDRs) SSB modulators are essentially digital version of the phasing design (although note that I am not an ESSB believer). (They might just be third method, but that is still a phasing design.) -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Don, Do you really want band *stacking* memories? A stacking memory is first-in, last out, so you have to drill down through the stack to get the one you want. That seems likea much worse situation than the normal band up/down switch which is a double ended stack. If you are referring to something different, then please do not call it a stack - the definition of a memory stack has been quite clear since the first days of microprocessors. 73, Don W3FPR Don Rasmussen wrote: I brought up the band changing issue early on with the guys, not because I just had to have it, but because it seemed that every transceiver these days that's big enough to have them, does. The thing that I find disconcerting is that even though many of the buttons on the K3 are fully occupied with multiple TAP and HOLD functions, there are (5) that I will never ever use in their TAP -or- HOLD capacity - those being M1, M2, M3, M4, and REC. These could clearly be drafted into service as band stacking registers (on first press), yet they just stay there hogging up space on my front panel. I proposed a CONFIG option that would allow the MESSAGE keys to be used either as DVK on first press as originally fitted, but also could be used as bandstack keys if the user preferred that as a first press function over the DVK. A minimum of 5 band stack keys are waiting there for use, 10 if you include HOLD. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Amen to that Don. As a non-contesting ham at this point, I've been following this conversation trying to understand the use of stacking band memories. As I come from a programming background, I too thought the same way about the stack model (FIFO) and have been racking my brain trying to figure out how this would be beneficial. I simply attributed it to my newness and lack of understanding. But now I feel a little better knowing someone else has the same perspective. Would someone who needs this capability, take a moment to explain its use to a neophyte? Right now, it seems intuitive to use as is, but then again, it is all I know and I'm sure that in the heat of the battle there may be a better way. 73, Dave W8FGU -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:12 AM To: Don Rasmussen Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Don, Do you really want band *stacking* memories? A stacking memory is first-in, last out, so you have to drill down through the stack to get the one you want. That seems likea much worse situation than the normal band up/down switch which is a double ended stack. If you are referring to something different, then please do not call it a stack - the definition of a memory stack has been quite clear since the first days of microprocessors. 73, Don W3FPR Don Rasmussen wrote: I brought up the band changing issue early on with the guys, not because I just had to have it, but because it seemed that every transceiver these days that's big enough to have them, does. The thing that I find disconcerting is that even though many of the buttons on the K3 are fully occupied with multiple TAP and HOLD functions, there are (5) that I will never ever use in their TAP -or- HOLD capacity - those being M1, M2, M3, M4, and REC. These could clearly be drafted into service as band stacking registers (on first press), yet they just stay there hogging up space on my front panel. I proposed a CONFIG option that would allow the MESSAGE keys to be used either as DVK on first press as originally fitted, but also could be used as bandstack keys if the user preferred that as a first press function over the DVK. A minimum of 5 band stack keys are waiting there for use, 10 if you include HOLD. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Dave, I believe what is really wanted is random access band buttons - in other words a single button press for each band. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how this ever has been construed in ham circles to use the term band stacking memories - perhaps someone can tell me how 'random access' equates to a 'stack'. Despite the fact that several proposals have been brought forward for how to use the quick memory keypad (as well as the other memories) for this purpose (and it is also suggested in the K3 manual), the complaints continue because Elecraft has not chosen to make that function a permanent (and unchangable) feature. I just can't understand why the complaints, since that 'feature' is already present if one wants to set it up that way. 73, Don W3FPR Dave Van Wallaghen wrote: Amen to that Don. As a non-contesting ham at this point, I've been following this conversation trying to understand the use of stacking band memories. As I come from a programming background, I too thought the same way about the stack model (FIFO) and have been racking my brain trying to figure out how this would be beneficial. I simply attributed it to my newness and lack of understanding. But now I feel a little better knowing someone else has the same perspective. Would someone who needs this capability, take a moment to explain its use to a neophyte? Right now, it seems intuitive to use as is, but then again, it is all I know and I'm sure that in the heat of the battle there may be a better way. 73, Dave W8FGU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Ok, lets see if I get it - users want to randomly assign bands to a set of buttons in an order of their choosing, that makes sense to the operation they are performing, then memorize the meaning of the buttons, and call up a particular (and memorized) band with a single button. And this would be more convenient than cycling through the band select buttons, presumably because you are forced to cycle through bands you may not need to at this point in your operation. Am I getting this right? I apologize for the bandwidth - I'm just trying to get educated. 73, Dave W8FGU -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:02 AM To: Dave Van Wallaghen Cc: 'Don Rasmussen'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Dave, I believe what is really wanted is random access band buttons - in other words a single button press for each band. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how this ever has been construed in ham circles to use the term band stacking memories - perhaps someone can tell me how 'random access' equates to a 'stack'. Despite the fact that several proposals have been brought forward for how to use the quick memory keypad (as well as the other memories) for this purpose (and it is also suggested in the K3 manual), the complaints continue because Elecraft has not chosen to make that function a permanent (and unchangable) feature. I just can't understand why the complaints, since that 'feature' is already present if one wants to set it up that way. 73, Don W3FPR Dave Van Wallaghen wrote: Amen to that Don. As a non-contesting ham at this point, I've been following this conversation trying to understand the use of stacking band memories. As I come from a programming background, I too thought the same way about the stack model (FIFO) and have been racking my brain trying to figure out how this would be beneficial. I simply attributed it to my newness and lack of understanding. But now I feel a little better knowing someone else has the same perspective. Would someone who needs this capability, take a moment to explain its use to a neophyte? Right now, it seems intuitive to use as is, but then again, it is all I know and I'm sure that in the heat of the battle there may be a better way. 73, Dave W8FGU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
I haven't used the K3 receiver enough to really comment, but I like the way the TS-930 works (with the PIEXX board installed). There are 99 memories available which are accessed via the RIT knob (similar to the K3 and the VFO B knob). In addition, there are 9 individual band buttons on the front panel that are assignable to any frequency in that band. So, for example, I can be listening to WBCQ on 7415 and then press the 80 button to move to 3530 (the frequency that I have programmed for 80 meters). The direct-frequency-entry capability of the K3 is roughly the same thing with a few more button pushes. The 930 also has up and down buttons that allow scrolling through the spectrum in 500kHz steps. 73, John W2XS -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Band-changing...Devils-Advocate...-tp17551390p17559722.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
My K3 should be arriving in a 2-3 weeks so I'll obviously pass on making suggestions until I can play with it awhile. My Omni VII's band stacking registers are not FIFO but rather like having four sets of VFO's for each band at the push of one button. So VFO A could be at 14.001 and VFO B operating split at 14.003 on register A. Registers B, C, and D can have their own unique settings. Rotating back to Register A brings back the last frequency you were at in this register-or 14.001/14.003. You move thru the registers by punching the band buttons. In addition, there are 100 memories each able to save both VFO's and split operation. They take two button pushes to either choose or save a frequency and to transfer it from memory to VFO. Seems pretty intuitive to me and very easy to use. Gary W7TEA -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Band-changing...Devils-Advocate...-tp17551390p17560003.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
I don't have a K3 yet but I'm happy with the Band+ and Band- buttons on my K2. I pretty much know how many pushes I'll need to get from one band to another, usually only one or two away. Anyhow, the display changes instantly with each button push before the relays get a chance to switch, so you can quickly step through multiple bands, watching the display without tripping the relays, until your target band is reached. For the ten or so ham bands we have this seems like a reasonable way of getting around. I don't know that I'd want ten or twelve extra buttons for this. That just doesn't seem any more convenient to me. In fact, it is less convenient. (But then I am a bug and straight key op so pushing a switch many hundreds of times in sequence is not a big deal to me, haha!) I never have to look at the Band+/Band- buttons; I know where they are by touch and can just focus on the display. I see that the K3 also has them in the same location: top left corner. That is ideal as far as I'm concerned. Now, getting around the non-ham bands is a different story. I'm not too crazy about direct frequency entry. Would prefer to just spin a knob to increment or decrement the frequency in 1-Mhz steps, maybe five 1-MHz steps per each full turn of the knob. I understand there is some problem with going between ham bands and non ham frequencies. I expect this will get straightened out at some point. 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 30 May 2008 09:18:58 -0400, Dave W8FGU wrote: Ok, lets see if I get it - users want to randomly assign bands to a set of buttons in an order of their choosing, that makes sense to the operation they are performing, then memorize the meaning of the buttons, and call up a particular (and memorized) band with a single button. And this would be more convenient than cycling through the band select buttons, presumably because you are forced to cycle through bands you may not need to at this point in your operation. Am I getting this right? I apologize for the bandwidth - I'm just trying to get educated. 73, Dave W8FGU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
I'm starting to think that if, historically, all rigs had come with Band+ and Band- buttons, plus dedicated GoToBandXY buttons, we'd be seeing posts asking for a knob connected by a shaft to a multi-gang rotary switch, hooked to a big air-wound coil with multiple taps. I'm confident the Elecraft guys are prioritizing their efforts, and putting Fifty ways to change bands at the nether end of the list. 73, Dave KQ3T Dave Van Wallaghen wrote: Ok, lets see if I get it - users want to randomly assign bands to a set of buttons in an order of their choosing, that makes sense to the operation they are performing, then memorize the meaning of the buttons, and call up a particular (and memorized) band with a single button. And this would be more convenient than cycling through the band select buttons, presumably because you are forced to cycle through bands you may not need to at this point in your operation. Am I getting this right? I apologize for the bandwidth - I'm just trying to get educated. 73, Dave W8FGU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Hey Don (FPR type), I've been a programmer since 1980 - quite familiar with the stack. But you're right, to me a single button band set to a tunable memory would be the major advantage. Make it a 2X stack to access two tunable memories would be icing on the cake. I'd use high end of the band with one press, low end with the next press. It does matter that the two presses are made to the same button, seems easier than finding and pressing two separate keys. IMO 3X stacking becomes cumbersome. 4X - forget it. Everyone has their own look, YMMV, etc. ;-) Nobody should confuse my comments to be negative, I truly love this radio. [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Don Wilhelm w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 30 08:11:38 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Next message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Don, Do you really want band *stacking* memories? A stacking memory is first-in, last out, so you have to drill down through the stack to get the one you want. That seems likea much worse situation than the normal band up/down switch which is a double ended stack. If you are referring to something different, then please do not call it a stack - the definition of a memory stack has been quite clear since the first days of microprocessors. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
John, If you assign the 'Quick Memories' to the bands as suggested in the manual (and per Windy's solution on the reflector), then you have exactly the same function as your TS-930 provides. In addition, the K3's band up/down buttons will take you to the last used frequency on any band rather than to the fixed frequency you have programmed into the quick memories. The only 'catch' is that the buttons are labeled '1' thru '9', so you have to remember which band corresponds to which button - the assignments are your choice. 73, Don W3FPR John W2XS wrote: I haven't used the K3 receiver enough to really comment, but I like the way the TS-930 works (with the PIEXX board installed). There are 99 memories available which are accessed via the RIT knob (similar to the K3 and the VFO B knob). In addition, there are 9 individual band buttons on the front panel that are assignable to any frequency in that band. So, for example, I can be listening to WBCQ on 7415 and then press the 80 button to move to 3530 (the frequency that I have programmed for 80 meters). The direct-frequency-entry capability of the K3 is roughly the same thing with a few more button pushes. The 930 also has up and down buttons that allow scrolling through the spectrum in 500kHz steps. 73, John W2XS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Don (fpr type), The TS-930 is a 25 year old design - post Y2K those memories (registers) are tunable, accessed randomly, and stacked to some level. John, If you assign the 'Quick Memories' to the bands as suggested in the manual (and per Windy's solution on the reflector), then you have exactly the same function as your TS-930 provides. In addition, the K3's band up/down buttons will take you to the last used frequency on any band rather than to the fixed frequency you have programmed into the quick memories. The only 'catch' is that the buttons are labeled '1' thru '9', so you have to remember which band corresponds to which button - the assignments are your choice. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Hi Dave, I think the Band Stacking Register definition came from the way Icom implemented it on their 756PRO series of radio. This is taken from the IC-756PROIII operating manual on page 24: The triple band stacking register provides 3 memories in one band. 3 sets of a frequency and operating mode on each band are automatically stored when used. If a band key is pushed once, the frequency and operating mode last used are called up. When the key is pushed again, another stored frequency and operating mode are called up. This function is convenient when you operate 3 operating modes on one band. For example, one register is used for a CW frequency, another for an SSB frequency and the other one for an RTTY frequency. The 756PRO series of radio has 12 dedicated Band Keys which allows this kind of user interface. To implement this on the K3 in hardware is simply not possible. As I mentioned in a earlier post, it has been achieved using PowerSDR LP-PAN. When not using PowerSDR I simply enter the 1st two digits of the band I want to go to and press enter. Works for me. Best 73, Frank - W6NEK - Original Message - From: Dave Van Wallaghen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Don Rasmussen' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:35 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Amen to that Don. As a non-contesting ham at this point, I've been following this conversation trying to understand the use of stacking band memories. As I come from a programming background, I too thought the same way about the stack model (FIFO) and have been racking my brain trying to figure out how this would be beneficial. I simply attributed it to my newness and lack of understanding. But now I feel a little better knowing someone else has the same perspective. Would someone who needs this capability, take a moment to explain its use to a neophyte? Right now, it seems intuitive to use as is, but then again, it is all I know and I'm sure that in the heat of the battle there may be a better way. 73, Dave W8FGU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
The 756PRO series of radio has 12 dedicated Band Keys which allows this kind of user interface. To implement this on the K3 in hardware is simply not possible. The K3 does not have 12 keys to dedicate the the function, so covering -all- bands may not be possible, but there are 5 DVR keys, which could be reassigned to allow 2X or 3X stacking of your 5 favorite bands. Some will ask - what's the point if PowerSDR can make up the difference?, others would suggest they'd rather leave the computer off most of the time. [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... W6NEK w6nek at socal.rr.com Fri May 30 12:14:49 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... Hi Dave, I think the Band Stacking Register definition came from the way Icom implemented it on their 756PRO series of radio. This is taken from the IC-756PROIII operating manual on page 24: The triple band stacking register provides 3 memories in one band. 3 sets of a frequency and operating mode on each band are automatically stored when used. If a band key is pushed once, the frequency and operating mode last used are called up. When the key is pushed again, another stored frequency and operating mode are called up. This function is convenient when you operate 3 operating modes on one band. For example, one register is used for a CW frequency, another for an SSB frequency and the other one for an RTTY frequency. The 756PRO series of radio has 12 dedicated Band Keys which allows this kind of user interface. To implement this on the K3 in hardware is simply not possible. As I mentioned in a earlier post, it has been achieved using PowerSDR LP-PAN. When not using PowerSDR I simply enter the 1st two digits of the band I want to go to and press enter. Works for me. Best 73, Frank - W6NEK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Hi Drew, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate... |I don't have a K3 yet but I'm happy with the Band+ and Band- buttons | on my K2. I pretty much know how many pushes I'll need to get from one | band to another, usually only one or two away. You will find that the rubber buttons on the K3 do not offer the same crisp tactile feedback as those on the K2. The quad function BAND and MODE buttons are particularly bad in this respect. Regards, Mike VP8NO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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5 presses? -- A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973) On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote: What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on again, then tuning the rig for the new band. Mark AD5SS On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 presses? -- A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973) On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote: What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^) Bob, N7XY On May 29, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on again, then tuning the rig for the new band. Mark AD5SS On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 presses? -- A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973) On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote: What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^) Also forgot changing the crystal ... but you get the point. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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We are indeed spoiled. If Elecraft could just fix the disappearing of ham bands on the BAND button when tuning to a non-ham-band frequency, I would be happy as punch. Not all radios have a dedicated button for each band (at least 11), which is really a waste of panel space. I have been happy band-switching (up/down buttons) with my IC-718 for years, but it doesn't have the Elecraft disappearance quirk. Knut - AB2TC Mark Bayern wrote: You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^) Also forgot changing the crystal ... but you get the point. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Band-changing...-tp17544009p17546629.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
Many (many, many) years ago my station consisted of a Heathkit Apache TX1 transmitter, Mohawk RX-1 receiver, and SB-10 SSB adapter. I figured that I had to switch or adjust a minimum of ---12--- controls to change bands. If I needed to change between LSB and USB, add two more for a total of 14. And that does not include switching antennas and changing the dial frequency if required (on both transmitter and receiver). That also does not include my 6 and 2 meter transverters. In those days I thought twice before deciding to change bands. :=) On the other hand, the SB-10 phasing-type SSB exciter had absolutely WONDERFUL-sounding audio. I got unsolicited compliments on nearly every QSO. Al N1AL P.S. The list as I recall it: TX-1: Bandswitch Tune/operate switch Driver tuning Driver gain Plate tuning Plate loading RX-1: Bandswitch Antenna trimmer SB-10: Bandswitch Carrier null #1 Carrier null #2 Tuning On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 13:33, Bob Nielsen wrote: You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^) Bob, N7XY On May 29, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on again, then tuning the rig for the new band. Mark AD5SS On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 presses? -- A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973) On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote: What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...
Great Alan! One of the wonderful things about the phasing exciters was that the bandwidth was not arbitrarily limited by a filter. It was limited *only* by the audio bandpass of the speech amps. Now, one could *not* do what today is called real ESSB with it because the phasing accuracy failed if the audio frequencies got too high, but it did not have the tight roll-off of a crystal filter. Many phasing rigs showed audio out to 4 or 5 kHz, at least. And they sounded *great*. Their sound was lost as more and more Hams made the change to the common filter transceivers because the filter in the receiving unit threw away the extra bandwidth, but on a receiver with a wide bandwidth they sounded really good. I've often looked at modern components and realized how easy it'd be to homebrew a phasing exciter. As a 99.9% CW buff, I've not been highly motivated to do so, but it's still on my to do list just for the interesting exercise. As for changing bands, one of the things that gave me pause when I was living in my parent's house as a High School student back in the 50's was that I'd wake up half the family if I changed bands with my HRO-5 receiver. That coil set with about 20 mechanical contacts that had to be pulled out and replaced with a different one for the new band always made a particularly loud *SQUK* as it was pushed home into the Rx. That, and all the stuff you've listed below, did make it more likely I'd stay put. One of the things modern ops miss is that there is often a LOT going on around a dead band. They don't stick around long enough to notice: I mean spend a few nights scanning the QRN listening for a signal. More than a few times I've called CQ on a totally dead 20 meter CW band and had a nice strong DX signal call me back. Sometimes we'd get into quite a long rag chew before other stations started tuning up all around us, ready to pounce for a contact the moment we signed. At one time for over a year all of my operating was with a one-tube CW transmitter running about 10 watts output (single 5763) crystal controlled on 20 meters. I was always amazed at what I could scare up on a dead 20 meter band with that rig, and I had no way to shift frequency either other than choosing a few crystals! Those were the days of real operators who didn't expect their radio to work like a cell phone with full quieting signals right on frequency that required no tuning or fooling around at all! I much prefer a rag chew with a fellow in Russia, somewhere in Africa or at an Antarctica station once a week than simply getting the contact in the log for a QSL in a daily pileup. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Many (many, many) years ago my station consisted of a Heathkit Apache TX1 transmitter, Mohawk RX-1 receiver, and SB-10 SSB adapter. I figured that I had to switch or adjust a minimum of ---12--- controls to change bands. If I needed to change between LSB and USB, add two more for a total of 14. And that does not include switching antennas and changing the dial frequency if required (on both transmitter and receiver). That also does not include my 6 and 2 meter transverters. In those days I thought twice before deciding to change bands. :=) On the other hand, the SB-10 phasing-type SSB exciter had absolutely WONDERFUL-sounding audio. I got unsolicited compliments on nearly every QSO. Al N1AL P.S. The list as I recall it: TX-1: Bandswitch Tune/operate switch Driver tuning Driver gain Plate tuning Plate loading RX-1: Bandswitch Antenna trimmer SB-10: Bandswitch Carrier null #1 Carrier null #2 Tuning On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 13:33, Bob Nielsen wrote: You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^) Bob, N7XY On May 29, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Bayern wrote: Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on again, then tuning the rig for the new band. Mark AD5SS On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 presses? -- A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973) On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote: What's wrong with FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER' ? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather' ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to:
[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
I brought up the band changing issue early on with the guys, not because I just had to have it, but because it seemed that every transceiver these days that's big enough to have them, does. The thing that I find disconcerting is that even though many of the buttons on the K3 are fully occupied with multiple TAP and HOLD functions, there are (5) that I will never ever use in their TAP -or- HOLD capacity - those being M1, M2, M3, M4, and REC. These could clearly be drafted into service as band stacking registers (on first press), yet they just stay there hogging up space on my front panel. I proposed a CONFIG option that would allow the MESSAGE keys to be used either as DVK on first press as originally fitted, but also could be used as bandstack keys if the user preferred that as a first press function over the DVK. A minimum of 5 band stack keys are waiting there for use, 10 if you include HOLD. But I'll not malign the K3 for missing what was on the 756Pro and the OMNI VI+, because once I find a frequency with the K3 it's a more enjoyable place to be. [Elecraft] K3 Band changing... ab2tc ab2tc at arrl.net Thu May 29 17:35:19 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing... Next message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing... Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] We are indeed spoiled. If Elecraft could just fix the disappearing of ham bands on the BAND button when tuning to a non-ham-band frequency, I would be happy as punch. Not all radios have a dedicated button for each band (at least 11), which is really a waste of panel space. I have been happy band-switching (up/down buttons) with my IC-718 for years, but it doesn't have the Elecraft disappearance quirk. Knut - AB2TC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Band Changing
OK - How about one of you smart PIC guys building a keypad that plugs into the RS232 port. The keys could be marked with the bands. Multiple presses of the individual band keys would provide for band stacking. This would make a great accessory for the K3, would make a great QST article, and maybe even would be the way to start your own accessory business. Phil - AD5X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Changing
Heaven forbid. The bandswitch belongs on the radio. I waiting for the day the Elecraft decides to drill a hole an the front panel and add a real bandswitch. I'm a bit dismayed by all the extra dongles I will now have to connect to interface the K3 to existing equipment-- e.g. an external box just to add pull up resistors for the band data and to manage the 15 pin DE connector stuff. In other words, NO OCTOPUS please. . 73 de Brian/K3KO Phil Debbie Salas wrote: OK - How about one of you smart PIC guys building a keypad that plugs into the RS232 port. The keys could be marked with the bands. Multiple presses of the individual band keys would provide for band stacking. This would make a great accessory for the K3, would make a great QST article, and maybe even would be the way to start your own accessory business. Phil - AD5X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
