[Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft]

As the originator of this thread I would like to comment on the answers 
received so far.

There have been suggestions that:
1. You can’t do it, except by using a quadrant monitor which can accept say 4 
inputs!
2. You can achieve a similar result by using the N1MM Spectrum Display!
3. You can do it with a bit of easily available splitter hardware!
4. You can achieve a similar result by using an SDR display with your K4!
5. You can maybe do it by using some additional software – possibly the K4RV 
remote software currently in development?

It seems to me that it would be a really good idea if Wayne or someone else 
from Elecraft could please clarify the situation and possibilities?

For completeness, my original question was:
I wonder if it is possible to show the K4 panadaptor(s) display as a separate 
floating window on the external monitor? 
So that for example you could have your logging program windows open as well as 
a separately floating K4 panadaptor display showing on the same monitor.
73 Ray G3XLG

73 Ray G3XLG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Rick Tavan]

I've run AirSpy SDRs with K4 and N1MM Logger+ Spectrum Display Window. I
put the SDR in the RX antenna loop. It works great and I can set the
bandspread differently on the K4 itself vs. the SD Window. That lets me see
the whole band segment on the K4 and QSY long distances by touch while
viewing a much narrower segment on MM with spots, signal handles, and "CQ
hole finder."   The K4 pan is excellent but both it and MM SD together is
better!

/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:03 AM  wrote:

> Ray:
>
> NiMMLogger Plus has that capability today.
>
> Any radio that has I/Q out in a data stream can display a spectrum right in
> the N1MMLogger Plus application.
>
> Since I cant attach a photo here, I sent it to you direct.
>
> It works well.  I have used it with my K3 IF out to a SDRPlay and direct
> from a Flex 6000 series radio.
>
> Im sure that K4 will have that capability and, if it doesn't, it should.
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:03 +0000
> From: Ray Spreadbury 
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" < [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display >
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display
>
> I wonder if it is possible to show the panadaptor(s) display as a separate
> floating window on the external monitor?
> So that for example you could have your logging program windows open as
> well
> as a separately floating K4 panadaptor display showing on the same monitor.
> 73 Ray G3XLG
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Gary Hunt via Elecraft]

I think this entire subject has been thoroughly over thought. Granted, I did 
not read every post because of the redundancy. Hopefully I'm not guilty of the 
same.The issue seems to be a resizable window. If you use the K4 utility, (I'm 
not sure if it's fully released) it will give you a resizable utility window 
that includes the spectrum display. That seems to me to be the simple solution. 
 Am I missing something?73,Gary KC9EE
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[George Danner]

When I left TV broadcasting in the early 2000s, we had 2 & 4 way splits on
some hd monitors using an interface device (can't remember its name).
For an enormous sum, we could have as many displays as we wanted on the
largest displays available. I know because my production manager wanted to
redo the monitor wall for the main (News) studio control room and put it in
the budget every year!

Found a solution for a 4 way split on Amazon:
Amazon.com: gofanco Prophecy 1080p Quad Multi-Viewer 4x1 HDMI Switcher with
Seamless Switch, Split Screen, 5 Display Modes, Audio Extractor to Stereo,
IR Remote/Software/Push Button Selector (PRO-QuadView): Electronics

for
$120.
No clue if it is any good; but solutions are available. This one does give
some limited options.

73
George  AI4VZ

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 10:00 AM Grant Youngman 
wrote:

> I display, whether physical or logical (e.g, a quadrant of a real
> display), only supports a single input — it has no means to “window-ize”
> multiple inputs.
>
> > Thanks for the quick answer Grant (& also Ed W0YK).
> > That is more than a little disappointing as it means that as a contester
> for example, you either have to have two or more displays (ie. One for a
> logging program & one for the K4 display) or buy a much more expensive
> display which enables you to have separate quadrants for separate programs?
> This seems a rather retrograde step compared to most other current
> transceivers or have I misunderstood? I suppose you could use the touch
> screen display as an alternative but why not output the K4 display to your
> PC and then put both outputs onto a single screen?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Josh Fiden]

I see lots of inexpensive devices like this $27 that take multiple HDMI and 
provide picture-in-picture. 

https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Splitter-Selector-Remote-Control/dp/B07PTYJQQ1/

Now I’m wondering how well one of these would work with P3/SVGA using a VGA to 
HDMI adapter?

73,
Josh W6XU

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> On Jan 26, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the quick answer Grant (& also Ed W0YK). 
> That is more than a little disappointing as it means that as a contester for 
> example, you either have to have two or more displays (ie. One for a logging 
> program & one for the K4 display) or buy a much more expensive display which 
> enables you to have separate quadrants for separate programs? This seems a 
> rather retrograde step compared to most other current transceivers or have I 
> misunderstood? I suppose you could use the touch screen display as an 
> alternative but why not output the K4 display to your PC and then put both 
> outputs onto a single screen?
> 73
> Ray G3XLG
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[Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[lromero56]

Ray:

NiMMLogger Plus has that capability today.

Any radio that has I/Q out in a data stream can display a spectrum right in
the N1MMLogger Plus application.

Since I cant attach a photo here, I sent it to you direct.

It works well.  I have used it with my K3 IF out to a SDRPlay and direct
from a Flex 6000 series radio.

Im sure that K4 will have that capability and, if it doesn't, it should.

Lu Romero - W4LT
Tampa, FL


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:03 +
From: Ray Spreadbury 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" < [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display >
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

I wonder if it is possible to show the panadaptor(s) display as a separate
floating window on the external monitor? 
So that for example you could have your logging program windows open as well
as a separately floating K4 panadaptor display showing on the same monitor.
73 Ray G3XLG

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[Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[William C. Johnson via Elecraft]

I just ran across this while investigating quadrant monitors.
Take a look Ray.
Bill J K7BRR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[stephen shearer]

Mike,

Good idea.

Looking at HDMI capture "cards" - I found many on Amazon and a number 
had audio I/O, too.
Meaning...  A Zoom meeting, video and audio from the K4 as a training 
"session" for FD...


(say it four times! "we will have a K4 for FD...)

I can also "see" HDMI & K4 as a group demo to a large TV for other radio 
events, like JOTA.



73, steve WB3LGC

On 1/26/21 11:30 AM, Michael Van Norman wrote:

There are numerous sources of HDMI capture adapters that looks like
webcams to the PC (e.g. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4669).  Feed
the K4 output to one of these and then you can do almost whatever you
want with it.

73
/Mike
de K6VN


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[K8TE]

Many of us who contest a lot will tell you the radio is NOT the focus, the
monitor with the logger and keyboard.  My primary K3 sits next to my primary
monitor with the P3 on the other side of the K3 and an external, separate
monitor above the P3 for a lager waterfall, useful when chasing DX operating
split.  Flexibility and ergonomics are important elements of good shack
design, especially if we expand the shack beyond one radio and a laptop.  

However, even for FD, I assert the laptop should be directly in front of the
operator who should do the operating and logging with the radio within easy
reach to the side of the laptop or monitor/keyboard.  Rarely is there a need
to touch the radio, even for changing frequencies/bands or modes.  A second
op can help and learn, but should not do the logging, regardless of mode. 
There is a big difference between six folks operating a radio for several
hours and making several hundred contacts vs. one who makes 1600+ FD
contacts in 24!  The latter's fingers seldom leave the keyboard.

Placing more than one "window", regardless of source, in a single monitor
requires only a switcher with multiple inputs and the ability to send them
in combination to a monitor.  You may not have to buy a new monitor although
you'll need to review specifications carefully to determine if a new monitor
or a switch is for you.  

And, be ready to test the monitor, switch, and input devices!  My Geochron
will not work through a switch I bought although the TiVo will even though
both work well directly to the two HDMI inputs on the TV, just one
at-a-time.  The reason remains hidden thus far with bigger fish to fry in
the shack.

73, Bill, K8TE



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Morgan Bailey]

I appreciate what Elecraft is trying to do. Making one single radio to meet
every person's wants, not needs, is an impossible task. The K4 is a bells
and whistles radio. The everyday user or for that matter contester does not
need half of the interface ability that the K4 will offer. For me I need a
bomb proof front end for a high RF environment, namely SO2R on a city lot
using the same antenna for 2 radios at the same time with band pass filters
and multiplexers that offer 100db of rejection. To date no SDR only radio
offers what a superhet offers. Until the HD model is implemented, the
K4 is not the radio for me. If I were to be a one radio shack radio user
and not 2 for SO2R, it would be my first choice. For instance, the IC7300
and IC7610, both are fantastic radios. Put another RF source remotely near
them and the ADC is overloaded and the AGC pumps/attacks and you hear
nothing. Both are a massive failure when using SO2R or at Field Day. The
second thing that I need, being in a large city is the ability of the
receiver to deal with intermittent noise problems.  Line noise and the
increased noise floor that highly populated areas hit the front end of a
receiver has to be ameliorated by the receiver. Algorithms for noise
blanking, and digital noise reduction and a tunable passband capability
without ringing and loss of weak signal detection is what is needed. That
is a tall order. Narrowing down the frequency by a superhet front end and
adding band pass filters to help with this will cut the work of the ADC
down due to the decreased spectrum that needs to be converted. Then the
FPGA and DSP sections do not have to process so much data and this should
speed up the response time and will add increased selectivity, hopefully.
But until the HD is implemented this is not going to happen.

What I don't need in a radio:

I don't need 5 receive antenna ports. If I ever have more than one RX
antenna, then it will be on a rotary switch or a button console that I can
quickly rotate through to select the antenna for best reception. Faster and
more contest efficient and way less cumbersome than that which is built
into a radio with multiple button screen pushes. Only 1 Rx port is needed.

I don't need remote ability. For the most part only a fraction of a percent
of all ops use remote applications. The guys at RemoteHam are making a
fortune using this technology. I am not a person that has $3000 to pay for
a weekend of remote contest station operation.

I don't need eye candy offered by high resolution output to a large screen.
When I am running it offers nothing. It is the ability to separate the
signals between the ears and a large screen does diddly for me. For S for
the less skilled, yes it may be to some advantage, at least it gives
something nice to look at the noise floor with. The ability of a narrow
bandwidth capable screen for the Pan adaptor, eg, 1 or 2 khz is of far
greater use to me. On a 7 inch screen I can see the weak ones easily. The
micro pan is a nice idea but I would much prefer having half of the full
sized pan to be 1 or 2khz wide and the other half 20 to 50 khz selectable.
I would gang the receivers on the same frequency and use diversity RX and
have a continuous large but easily selectable narrow screen without the
addition of a separate monitor that is never placed ergonomically to the
operating position. That way my eyes, neck and shoulders are looking at the
radio face and I am getting the info that I need without glancing at
another screen that is not eyes straight forward and level to the operating
position.

I don't need a CW decoder. The best one is between your own ears. If I were
serious about digital modes I would not be using an in radio decoder. I
would go with a 24 bit audio device and an outboard computer with multiple
ways to simultaneously decode RTTY. FT8 and for the most part, all other
digital modes are boring to me. I don't use them. PSK 31 for rag chewing is
ok, but rarely do you find that any more, and after about a month, on PSK,
you have already worked every one using that mode. You don't need a great
radio for FT8. As long as the radio can be CAT controled you are good to go.

Each operator has their own needs when it comes to operating. Mine are
contest oriented. Strong bomb proof rx for high RF environment, brick wall
passbands, excellent sensitivity, an agc that does not pump when a 20 over
9 signal is with in 500 hz of your passband, no ringing when filters are
engaged, power line noise reduction at the push of a button, digital noise
reduction for ambient noise,a notch filter that kills hetrodines or is
tunable to get rid of a second cw signal in your passband and a price tag
that I can live with because I need to buy 2 matching radios for SO2R. I
was ready to buy a second K3S when it was discontinued in favor of the
upcoming, and not yet released or developed K4. The K3S with second rx for
diversity has been a wonderful radio for me and thousands of others. It 

Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Richard Ferch]

This thread seems to be trying to re-invent the wheel. There are solutions
already available.

According to the K4 Programmer's manual (available from the elecraft web
site), "The K4 provides three kinds of streaming data: ..., dB/bin (for
reproducing panadapter data), ..."

This kind of dB/bin data can be used by a logging program to create a
spectrum/waterfall display integrated with the rest of the program,
supporting features such as display of call signs with multiplier.worked
before status, and jump-to-signal capabilities using keyboard hotkeys or
mouse clicks, all without looking at or touching the radio. N1MM Logger+
has had this kind of capability for nearly four years, taking advantage of
dB/bin data supplied in the radio control stream by some radios (e.g. Icom
IC-7300 and newer) or in a UDP stream from a radio or from other software
(the UDP protocol used by N1MM+ is documented at <
https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/appendices/external-udp-broadcasts/#sending-spectrum-data-to-n1mm>).
There are other logging programs with some of the same capabilities, with
no need for VNCs, HDMI capture, fancy picture-in-picture monitors, etc.

73,
Rich VE3KI
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Michael Van Norman]

There are numerous sources of HDMI capture adapters that looks like
webcams to the PC (e.g. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4669).  Feed
the K4 output to one of these and then you can do almost whatever you
want with it.

73
/Mike
de K6VN

On 1/26/21 07:01, weave...@usermail.com wrote:
> What about running the pan output through a VNC in a window? That brings up 
> the question will the K4 have a VNC server on board?
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
> Comfortably Numb
>
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 09:50, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks for the quick answer Grant (& also Ed W0YK). 
>> That is more than a little disappointing as it means that as a contester for 
>> example, you either have to have two or more displays (ie. One for a logging 
>> program & one for the K4 display) or buy a much more expensive display which 
>> enables you to have separate quadrants for separate programs? This seems a 
>> rather retrograde step compared to most other current transceivers or have I 
>> misunderstood? I suppose you could use the touch screen display as an 
>> alternative but why not output the K4 display to your PC and then put both 
>> outputs onto a single screen?
>> 73
>> Ray G3XLG
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[weave...@usermail.com]

What about running the pan output through a VNC in a window? That brings up the 
question will the K4 have a VNC server on board?

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 09:50, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the quick answer Grant (& also Ed W0YK). 
> That is more than a little disappointing as it means that as a contester for 
> example, you either have to have two or more displays (ie. One for a logging 
> program & one for the K4 display) or buy a much more expensive display which 
> enables you to have separate quadrants for separate programs? This seems a 
> rather retrograde step compared to most other current transceivers or have I 
> misunderstood? I suppose you could use the touch screen display as an 
> alternative but why not output the K4 display to your PC and then put both 
> outputs onto a single screen?
> 73
> Ray G3XLG
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Grant Youngman]

I display, whether physical or logical (e.g, a quadrant of a real display), 
only supports a single input — it has no means to “window-ize” multiple inputs.

Thinking about this some more, it seems it should be possible, eventually, to 
put a piece of remote software on the same machine that runs your other radio 
apps, and accomplish what you want to do. You can still only have one display 
controlled by one computer, but that one computer could be running multiple 
apps including a remote K4 display in a window.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the quick answer Grant (& also Ed W0YK). 
> That is more than a little disappointing as it means that as a contester for 
> example, you either have to have two or more displays (ie. One for a logging 
> program & one for the K4 display) or buy a much more expensive display which 
> enables you to have separate quadrants for separate programs? This seems a 
> rather retrograde step compared to most other current transceivers or have I 
> misunderstood? I suppose you could use the touch screen display as an 
> alternative but why not output the K4 display to your PC and then put both 
> outputs onto a single screen?
> 73
> Ray G3XLG
> 
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[Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft]

Thanks for the quick answer Grant (& also Ed W0YK). 
That is more than a little disappointing as it means that as a contester for 
example, you either have to have two or more displays (ie. One for a logging 
program & one for the K4 display) or buy a much more expensive display which 
enables you to have separate quadrants for separate programs? This seems a 
rather retrograde step compared to most other current transceivers or have I 
misunderstood? I suppose you could use the touch screen display as an 
alternative but why not output the K4 display to your PC and then put both 
outputs onto a single screen?
73
Ray G3XLG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Grant Youngman]

This question was addressed during the recent Zoom presentation/Q  The 
answer is no — except.  

Some displays supports multiple video inputs that can be assigned to quadrants 
on the display.  So you could assign the K4 video stream to a quadrant 
(essentially a logical dedicated display), for example,  if your display 
supports that function.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder if it is possible to show the panadaptor(s) display as a separate 
> floating window on the external monitor? 
> So that for example you could have your logging program windows open as well 
> as a separately floating K4 panadaptor display showing on the same monitor.
> 73 Ray G3XLG
> 

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[Elecraft] K4 Panadaptor Display

[Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft]

I wonder if it is possible to show the panadaptor(s) display as a separate 
floating window on the external monitor? 
So that for example you could have your logging program windows open as well as 
a separately floating K4 panadaptor display showing on the same monitor.
73 Ray G3XLG

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