Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[David Gow]

As a relatively new owner of an Elecraft KX3  and all related accessories
this list has been of immense help to me.  It is far more interesting and
well behaved than some other ham lists I read.  When I did sell an Elecraft
manufactured accessory it sold in one hour.at my stated fair price  and I
felt good about not selling it on a n auction site.

73,  Dave W7VM

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Bert Craig  wrote:

> I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set
> up rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez!
>
> Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in.
> Rather than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!
>
> 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
>
> Sent from my android device.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Gilbert 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
> Elecraft's business.
>
>
> note : personal reply
>
> Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with
> Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about
> dripping with irony.
>
> Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic
> headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really
> trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day
> from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time
> writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a
> month's equivalent.
>
> Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.
>
>
>
> On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> > It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> > But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> > (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> > What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> > Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> > When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> > just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> > So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Bert Craig]

I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set up 
rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez! 

Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in. Rather 
than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: David Gilbert 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's 
business.


note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.

Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.



On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
> wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
> topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
> sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
> new toy from another vendor.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[David Gilbert]

note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.


Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.


Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.



On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Dave Cole]

Let me clarify my post...  I agree with Harry in that there are a lot of 
off topic discussions.  The Elecraft related stuff, like covers, 
accessories, which were designed for Elecraft products, etc., are not 
the issue for me.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 05/27/2017 01:51 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

I'm not saying anything.

de va3mw

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole mailto:d...@nk7z.net>> wrote:

I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the
most part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna
because they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to
call it Elecraft related...

Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would
help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT",
(Off Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some
tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap
boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they
need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for
a personal sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive
audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other
spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I
just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very
occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business
elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into
being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of
the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I
finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy
it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Michael Walker]

I'm not saying anything.

de va3mw

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the most
> part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna because they
> plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it Elecraft
> related...
>
> Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would help
> us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off Topic),
> to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
>> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
>> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
>> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
>> personal sale.
>> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
>> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
>> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
>> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
>> Elecraft web page.
>> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
>> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
>> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
>> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
>> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
>> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Dave Cole]

I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the 
most part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna because 
they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it 
Elecraft related...


Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would 
help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off 
Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Currently, the only “list overload” is now the multiple threads on list 
overload …. something like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

There is an absolutely wonderful tool called PopFile that sits between 
your mail client and your mail server, reads all your incoming mail and 
classifies it.


You set up folders, call them K3S or KX3 or Antennas or QRM, and you 
start clicking on messages and telling PopFile "this is Antennas" or 
"This is QRM" and after the first half-dozen are classified, you only 
click on "errors."


You don't even have to know why QRM is QRM.

I respectfully submit that those who think this (relatively quiet and 
fairly tame) list is a problem spend a little time with PopFile.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/27/2017 9:01 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Harry,

I completely disagree.

73

K0PP

On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:


The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
personal sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
a new toy from another vendor.

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Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Dean L]

'Face in the crowd"? Are you serious? Take a look around... Elecraft is a
humble operation that strives to make a quality product at affordable price.

Never had a sip of the kool-aid, just a content customer.

Good luck with your search.

Signed (proudly)

Dean M LaClair

On May 27, 2017 11:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
>
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[Ken G Kopp]

Harry,

I completely disagree.

73

K0PP

On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
>
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[Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their 
wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off 
topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal 
sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just 
unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the 
Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at 
Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a 
new toy from another vendor.

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