Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-02-20 Thread Randy Hall
  David L. Hershberger, W9GR  Controlled Envelope Single Sideband

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2014/Nov-Dec_2014/Hershberger_QEX_11_14.pdf

Randy, K7AGE

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 1:40 PM Dennis Moore  wrote:

> Not really DSP, but firmware related. I would like to see a CW Tuning
> Indicator on the SVGA monitor attached to my P3. I use a KPOD and
> keyboard macros when I S in contests, and the rig is off to my side
> where I have to turn my head to see the CWT indicator. The SVGA monitor
> is in front of me. I don't know if the refresh rate is fast enough, but
> I'd give up a bit of real estate in the waterfall for this feature.
>
> If it's already available and I haven't found it yet in the settings, my
> bad.
>
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>
> On 1/10/2019 19:20, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide
> demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-02-19 Thread Dennis Moore
Not really DSP, but firmware related. I would like to see a CW Tuning 
Indicator on the SVGA monitor attached to my P3. I use a KPOD and 
keyboard macros when I S in contests, and the rig is off to my side 
where I have to turn my head to see the CWT indicator. The SVGA monitor 
is in front of me. I don't know if the refresh rate is fast enough, but 
I'd give up a bit of real estate in the waterfall for this feature.


If it's already available and I haven't found it yet in the settings, my 
bad.


73, Dennis NJ6G

On 1/10/2019 19:20, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.



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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-01-14 Thread Bill Johnson
I meant without RIT on.  

73,
Bill
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:24 PM
To: Kenneth Christiansen ; Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

I use spot on KX3 without spot on.  Am I missing something?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:15 PM
To: Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

H Wayne

I like the way the KX3 will let me use the automatic spot on the receiver only 
when the RIT is on. I have always wished the K3 and K3S would do the same thing 
as the automatic spot works so well but I do not want to move the transmitter 
at the same time with the RIT on. 

That is the only thing I can think of as I love my K3S.
73
Ken W0CZ
w...@i29.net


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> On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
> demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.
> 
> Our DSP algorithms already give the user all the usual features expected of 
> an all-mode transceiver, and then some:
> 
>  - DVR
>  - variable passband filtering & IF shift
>  - audio peaking filter (APF, for CW)
>  - auto-spotting and automatic tuning (CW, PSK)
>  - dual watch (KX2/KX3)
>  - audio effects
>  - DTMF (KX3)
>  - dual-passband filtering for RTTY
>  - FM subaudible tones
>  - data decode/encode in various modes
>  - noise reduction
>  - RX and TX EQ
>  - synchronous AM (K3/K3S)
>  - ESSB
>  - transmit noise gating
>  - speech compression
>  - manual notch filtering
>  - autonotch
> 
> ...etc.
> 
> That said, here's your chance to dream up *new* DSP features we haven't 
> thought of. All suggestions will be debated by our engineering team, even 
> those that appear radical or implausible at first glance. 
> 
> We'll keep this to ourselves, so don't worry about being judged for tossing 
> out some wacky ideas. Let's cast a broad net.
> 
> Please send all correspondence on this topic directly to yours truly.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-01-14 Thread Bill Johnson
I use spot on KX3 without spot on.  Am I missing something?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Kenneth Christiansen
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:15 PM
To: Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

H Wayne

I like the way the KX3 will let me use the automatic spot on the receiver only 
when the RIT is on. I have always wished the K3 and K3S would do the same thing 
as the automatic spot works so well but I do not want to move the transmitter 
at the same time with the RIT on. 

That is the only thing I can think of as I love my K3S.
73
Ken W0CZ
w...@i29.net


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
> demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.
> 
> Our DSP algorithms already give the user all the usual features expected of 
> an all-mode transceiver, and then some:
> 
>  - DVR
>  - variable passband filtering & IF shift
>  - audio peaking filter (APF, for CW)
>  - auto-spotting and automatic tuning (CW, PSK)
>  - dual watch (KX2/KX3)
>  - audio effects
>  - DTMF (KX3)
>  - dual-passband filtering for RTTY
>  - FM subaudible tones
>  - data decode/encode in various modes
>  - noise reduction
>  - RX and TX EQ
>  - synchronous AM (K3/K3S)
>  - ESSB
>  - transmit noise gating
>  - speech compression
>  - manual notch filtering
>  - autonotch
> 
> ...etc.
> 
> That said, here's your chance to dream up *new* DSP features we haven't 
> thought of. All suggestions will be debated by our engineering team, even 
> those that appear radical or implausible at first glance. 
> 
> We'll keep this to ourselves, so don't worry about being judged for tossing 
> out some wacky ideas. Let's cast a broad net.
> 
> Please send all correspondence on this topic directly to yours truly.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-01-14 Thread Martin Sole

I find the NB in the K3 is very versatile and can usually make a difference.

I rarely use the NR, never found it much use, that goes for other rigs 
too, might just be me.


The APF was a great addition to the K3 firmware but I feel it could 
stand some enhancement, adjustable BW would be very nice and something 
to offset some of the artefacts I feel it adds as it is right now.I 
don't think it needs adjustable centre freq for use as a CW peaking 
filter as only the one freq is of interested. When the Orion added APF 
to its firmware it was variable from 300Hz down to 10Hz with adjustable 
centre frequency. Not so much for CW but a surprisingly useful SSB 
addition. Much like a sweepable EQ it can often be just the thing for 
enhancing a rough voice signal down in the noise.


Better decode capability for some of the more recent digital modes, FT8 
would seem an obvious one but how? Maybe on screen with a P3?


Has DSP hardware advanced significantly since the K3/S was designed? 
Maybe a replacement module with more recent DSP devices might allow even 
more possibilities. But maybe that's K4 land :)


Martin, HS0ZED



On 11/01/2019 06:20, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.

Our DSP algorithms already give the user all the usual features expected of an 
all-mode transceiver, and then some:

   - DVR
   - variable passband filtering & IF shift
   - audio peaking filter (APF, for CW)
   - auto-spotting and automatic tuning (CW, PSK)
   - dual watch (KX2/KX3)
   - audio effects
   - DTMF (KX3)
   - dual-passband filtering for RTTY
   - FM subaudible tones
   - data decode/encode in various modes
   - noise reduction
   - RX and TX EQ
   - synchronous AM (K3/K3S)
   - ESSB
   - transmit noise gating
   - speech compression
   - manual notch filtering
   - autonotch

...etc.

That said, here's your chance to dream up *new* DSP features we haven't thought 
of. All suggestions will be debated by our engineering team, even those that 
appear radical or implausible at first glance.

We'll keep this to ourselves, so don't worry about being judged for tossing out 
some wacky ideas. Let's cast a broad net.

Please send all correspondence on this topic directly to yours truly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-01-13 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
And for this reason I choose to use SPLIT in CW mode as opposed to RIT.  
Thus SPOT only affects the received signal frequency which is VFO A and 
I can tune VFO A as needed just like RIT. Thus VFO B is always the 
transmit frequency and is not affected by the SPOT function.


73

Bob, K4TAX

On 1/13/2019 7:14 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote:

H Wayne

I like the way the KX3 will let me use the automatic spot on the receiver only 
when the RIT is on. I have always wished the K3 and K3S would do the same thing 
as the automatic spot works so well but I do not want to move the transmitter 
at the same time with the RIT on.

That is the only thing I can think of as I love my K3S.
73
Ken W0CZ
w...@i29.net


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

Hi all,

The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.

Our DSP algorithms already give the user all the usual features expected of an 
all-mode transceiver, and then some:

  - DVR
  - variable passband filtering & IF shift
  - audio peaking filter (APF, for CW)
  - auto-spotting and automatic tuning (CW, PSK)
  - dual watch (KX2/KX3)
  - audio effects
  - DTMF (KX3)
  - dual-passband filtering for RTTY
  - FM subaudible tones
  - data decode/encode in various modes
  - noise reduction
  - RX and TX EQ
  - synchronous AM (K3/K3S)
  - ESSB
  - transmit noise gating
  - speech compression
  - manual notch filtering
  - autonotch

...etc.

That said, here's your chance to dream up *new* DSP features we haven't thought 
of. All suggestions will be debated by our engineering team, even those that 
appear radical or implausible at first glance.

We'll keep this to ourselves, so don't worry about being judged for tossing out 
some wacky ideas. Let's cast a broad net.

Please send all correspondence on this topic directly to yours truly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-01-13 Thread Kenneth Christiansen
H Wayne

I like the way the KX3 will let me use the automatic spot on the receiver only 
when the RIT is on. I have always wished the K3 and K3S would do the same thing 
as the automatic spot works so well but I do not want to move the transmitter 
at the same time with the RIT on. 

That is the only thing I can think of as I love my K3S.
73
Ken W0CZ
w...@i29.net


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
> demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.
> 
> Our DSP algorithms already give the user all the usual features expected of 
> an all-mode transceiver, and then some:
> 
>  - DVR
>  - variable passband filtering & IF shift
>  - audio peaking filter (APF, for CW)
>  - auto-spotting and automatic tuning (CW, PSK)
>  - dual watch (KX2/KX3)
>  - audio effects
>  - DTMF (KX3)
>  - dual-passband filtering for RTTY
>  - FM subaudible tones
>  - data decode/encode in various modes
>  - noise reduction
>  - RX and TX EQ
>  - synchronous AM (K3/K3S)
>  - ESSB
>  - transmit noise gating
>  - speech compression
>  - manual notch filtering
>  - autonotch
> 
> ...etc.
> 
> That said, here's your chance to dream up *new* DSP features we haven't 
> thought of. All suggestions will be debated by our engineering team, even 
> those that appear radical or implausible at first glance. 
> 
> We'll keep this to ourselves, so don't worry about being judged for tossing 
> out some wacky ideas. Let's cast a broad net.
> 
> Please send all correspondence on this topic directly to yours truly.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-13 Thread HB
This thread is hilarious!!!

There is an AI joke somewhere in here about a dummy load

> On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:50 AM, kevinr  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a project for a neural network.  A bit of AI which 'recognizes' 
> patterns.  There would be ~ 40 outputs for letters, numbers, and symbols.  I 
> am unsure of the number of inputs nor of the middle layer(s) of the net.  But 
> that's just a bit of engineering.
> 
> The training sets would consist of a large set of "Lake Erie swing music" and 
> expert interpretations of it.  Find a large computer and spend a few weeks 
> training the NN.
> 
> There are some shortcuts I foresee.  Quite a few characters can't (?) be 
> messed up by the misuse of a bug.  T, O, M, etc.  Those don't really need to 
> go through the NN so you can save on the number of outputs and decrease the 
> training time significantly.
> 
> The neat things is once you've done all this work you can put the trained NN 
> into a very small space of code.  And use a moderate number of processor 
> cycles.
> 
> Not quite DSP but AI is just another acronym :)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kevin.  KD5ONS
> 
> -
> 
>> On 1/12/19 8:30 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Might I suggest a filter that translates a bug user who sends at 15wpm, but
>> the dots are set to 35wpm.  The filter would briefly store the cw, correct
>> the timing, and then pass it through the audio stages.  Call it the
>> VibroDummy, or VD1 filter setting.
>> 
>> Another one would filter out the long "ad uh..." of VOX users
>> who only transmit 50% or less of transmit time as intelligible speech,
>> remove the non data periods, then pass the compressed version on.  Call it
>> the VoxDummy, or VD2 filter.
>> 
>> Finally, introduce NR so sophisticated it automatically finds the correct
>> tuning soloution, requiring another 4 cu ft of room inside the K3 for
>> microprocessers and memory.  Release it in a bloated, gigantic case, add 50
>> controls to the front panel, and call it a K4, thereby silencing two sets
>> of critics who post--but do not read--on the reflector.
>> 
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 12:08 PM Wayne Burdick >> 
>>> Thanks for all the many great suggestions and digressions, folks. Sorry I
>>> can't respond to all of them right away.
>>> 
>>> My favorite so far is the request for Semantic Filtering Mode (SFM), which
>>> "might, with skillful adjustment, suppress political commentary from 75
>>> meters." Our DSP IC does include odd/even partisan check bits, so this is a
>>> SMOP.
>>> 
>>> Runner-up is a proposal for auto-detection of unattended FT8
>>> transmissions, i.e. the "No One's Home AlarM" (NOHAM).
>>> 
>>> Feel free to pile on...
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-12 Thread kevinr
Sounds like a project for a neural network.  A bit of AI which 
'recognizes' patterns.  There would be ~ 40 outputs for letters, 
numbers, and symbols.  I am unsure of the number of inputs nor of the 
middle layer(s) of the net.  But that's just a bit of engineering.


The training sets would consist of a large set of "Lake Erie swing 
music" and expert interpretations of it.  Find a large computer and 
spend a few weeks training the NN.


There are some shortcuts I foresee.  Quite a few characters can't (?) be 
messed up by the misuse of a bug.  T, O, M, etc.  Those don't really 
need to go through the NN so you can save on the number of outputs and 
decrease the training time significantly.


The neat things is once you've done all this work you can put the 
trained NN into a very small space of code.  And use a moderate number 
of processor cycles.


Not quite DSP but AI is just another acronym :)

    73,

    Kevin.  KD5ONS

-

On 1/12/19 8:30 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

Might I suggest a filter that translates a bug user who sends at 15wpm, but
the dots are set to 35wpm.  The filter would briefly store the cw, correct
the timing, and then pass it through the audio stages.  Call it the
VibroDummy, or VD1 filter setting.

Another one would filter out the long "ad uh..." of VOX users
who only transmit 50% or less of transmit time as intelligible speech,
remove the non data periods, then pass the compressed version on.  Call it
the VoxDummy, or VD2 filter.

Finally, introduce NR so sophisticated it automatically finds the correct
tuning soloution, requiring another 4 cu ft of room inside the K3 for
microprocessers and memory.  Release it in a bloated, gigantic case, add 50
controls to the front panel, and call it a K4, thereby silencing two sets
of critics who post--but do not read--on the reflector.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 12:08 PM Wayne Burdick 
Thanks for all the many great suggestions and digressions, folks. Sorry I
can't respond to all of them right away.

My favorite so far is the request for Semantic Filtering Mode (SFM), which
"might, with skillful adjustment, suppress political commentary from 75
meters." Our DSP IC does include odd/even partisan check bits, so this is a
SMOP.

Runner-up is a proposal for auto-detection of unattended FT8
transmissions, i.e. the "No One's Home AlarM" (NOHAM).

Feel free to pile on...


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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-12 Thread Mark via Elecraft
Eric 
Best post of the year!!!  I will be chuckling at that all night; yet, you 
delivered exactly what Wayne asked for and we all wish our radios had.  You 
even gave the K4 speculators something to chew on for a while.  I will go to 
the gym tomorrow to start building my arms and legs to handle my new KX3ss!  
The "ss" is for supersized!
Great stuff!
MarkKE6BB



 Original message From: Eric Norris  
Date: 1/12/19  8:30 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Wayne Burdick  Cc: 
"elecraft@mailman qth. net" , k...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks 
Might I suggest a filter that translates a bug user who sends at 15wpm, but
the dots are set to 35wpm.  The filter would briefly store the cw, correct
the timing, and then pass it through the audio stages.  Call it the
VibroDummy, or VD1 filter setting.

Another one would filter out the long "ad uh..." of VOX users
who only transmit 50% or less of transmit time as intelligible speech,
remove the non data periods, then pass the compressed version on.  Call it
the VoxDummy, or VD2 filter.

Finally, introduce NR so sophisticated it automatically finds the correct
tuning soloution, requiring another 4 cu ft of room inside the K3 for
microprocessers and memory.  Release it in a bloated, gigantic case, add 50
controls to the front panel, and call it a K4, thereby silencing two sets
of critics who post--but do not read--on the reflector.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 12:08 PM Wayne Burdick  Thanks for all the many great suggestions and digressions, folks. Sorry I
> can't respond to all of them right away.
>
> My favorite so far is the request for Semantic Filtering Mode (SFM), which
> "might, with skillful adjustment, suppress political commentary from 75
> meters." Our DSP IC does include odd/even partisan check bits, so this is a
> SMOP.
>
> Runner-up is a proposal for auto-detection of unattended FT8
> transmissions, i.e. the "No One's Home AlarM" (NOHAM).
>
> Feel free to pile on...
>
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-12 Thread Eric Norris
Might I suggest a filter that translates a bug user who sends at 15wpm, but
the dots are set to 35wpm.  The filter would briefly store the cw, correct
the timing, and then pass it through the audio stages.  Call it the
VibroDummy, or VD1 filter setting.

Another one would filter out the long "ad uh..." of VOX users
who only transmit 50% or less of transmit time as intelligible speech,
remove the non data periods, then pass the compressed version on.  Call it
the VoxDummy, or VD2 filter.

Finally, introduce NR so sophisticated it automatically finds the correct
tuning soloution, requiring another 4 cu ft of room inside the K3 for
microprocessers and memory.  Release it in a bloated, gigantic case, add 50
controls to the front panel, and call it a K4, thereby silencing two sets
of critics who post--but do not read--on the reflector.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 12:08 PM Wayne Burdick  Thanks for all the many great suggestions and digressions, folks. Sorry I
> can't respond to all of them right away.
>
> My favorite so far is the request for Semantic Filtering Mode (SFM), which
> "might, with skillful adjustment, suppress political commentary from 75
> meters." Our DSP IC does include odd/even partisan check bits, so this is a
> SMOP.
>
> Runner-up is a proposal for auto-detection of unattended FT8
> transmissions, i.e. the "No One's Home AlarM" (NOHAM).
>
> Feel free to pile on...
>
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Grant,

Just turn the VFO knob!  It works.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/12/2019 4:03 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

I love that one. Along the same lines, a broad brick-wall notch that 
auto-detects the recurring clown show on 7200 KHz would be a welcome addition 
... especially if it could auto-suppress music.


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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-12 Thread Grant Youngman
I love that one. Along the same lines, a broad brick-wall notch that 
auto-detects the recurring clown show on 7200 KHz would be a welcome addition 
... especially if it could auto-suppress music.

Sent from my iPhone

> 
> My favorite so far is the request for Semantic Filtering Mode (SFM), which 
> "might, with skillful adjustment, suppress political commentary from 75 
> meters." Our DSP IC does include odd/even partisan check bits, so this is a 
> SMOP.
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New DSP features? ... thanks

2019-01-12 Thread Wayne Burdick
Thanks for all the many great suggestions and digressions, folks. Sorry I can't 
respond to all of them right away.

My favorite so far is the request for Semantic Filtering Mode (SFM), which 
"might, with skillful adjustment, suppress political commentary from 75 
meters." Our DSP IC does include odd/even partisan check bits, so this is a 
SMOP.

Runner-up is a proposal for auto-detection of unattended FT8 transmissions, 
i.e. the "No One's Home AlarM" (NOHAM).

Feel free to pile on, at least until Eric puts the hammer down.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] New DSP features?

2019-01-10 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

The K3/K3S and KX2/KX3 are SDRs, by definition, because they provide 
demodulation and modulation features via a DSP chip that is programmable.

Our DSP algorithms already give the user all the usual features expected of an 
all-mode transceiver, and then some:

  - DVR
  - variable passband filtering & IF shift
  - audio peaking filter (APF, for CW)
  - auto-spotting and automatic tuning (CW, PSK)
  - dual watch (KX2/KX3)
  - audio effects
  - DTMF (KX3)
  - dual-passband filtering for RTTY
  - FM subaudible tones
  - data decode/encode in various modes
  - noise reduction
  - RX and TX EQ
  - synchronous AM (K3/K3S)
  - ESSB
  - transmit noise gating
  - speech compression
  - manual notch filtering
  - autonotch

...etc.

That said, here's your chance to dream up *new* DSP features we haven't thought 
of. All suggestions will be debated by our engineering team, even those that 
appear radical or implausible at first glance. 

We'll keep this to ourselves, so don't worry about being judged for tossing out 
some wacky ideas. Let's cast a broad net.

Please send all correspondence on this topic directly to yours truly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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