Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
I always match the other person's speed if he's sending slower than me. If he's sending faster, I'll pick up the pace to match as long as it's within my comfortable speed range. On rare occasion I find operators who send much faster than they can copy and ask me to QRS below their sending speed. That's fine with me too, as long as I can copy okay. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- What's the general consensus? Is it logical to assume that a person's CW sending speed approximates their copy speed? I can't help but assume this, and so when I call CQ and get a return caller sending at half the speed which I called or sending extreme farnsworth, I almost always lower my speed in order to be considerate. Thanks Duane N1BBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
Is it logical to assume that a person's CW sending speed approximates their copy speed? Well, it's *logical* - that just doesn't always mean it's true. :) After a long period of inactivity, my copy speed right now is about 10 wpm, but I can send considerably faster and I have to keep reminding myself to send at about 10 wpm to avoid getting it sent back to me at a faster speed than I can copy. I can copy faster than 10 wpm when receiving the standard RST, Name, QTH, Rig, etc., but if you start telling me about your late grandmother's bursitis woes or the cabbage worm grief in your garden I probably won't be able to keep up. The problem is when I'm sending with a straight key I tend to creep up in speed without realizing it, get it back at the faster speed, and then cut QSO's short because I always feel it's impolite to ask the other fellow to QRS when *I'm* the one who sped us up in the first place. The aforementioned ticks me off (at myself), because I'm a ragchewer and when we move off of the formula and get into cabbage grandmas is when I start getting more interested in the di-dahversation. I keep thinking the speed will come back, but I don't think it's coming back at the rate it came originally some thirty years ago. Rick N4YQP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
I'd be very sad if you QRT in a QSO with me because you sped up above your copy speed. Why not just tell the story as you did here? Anyone worth chewing the rag with will get a chuckle out of it and be happy to QRS. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- After a long period of inactivity, my copy speed right now is about 10 wpm, but I can send considerably faster and I have to keep reminding myself to send at about 10 wpm to avoid getting it sent back to me at a faster speed than I can copy. I can copy faster than 10 wpm when receiving the standard RST, Name, QTH, Rig, etc., but if you start telling me about your late grandmother's bursitis woes or the cabbage worm grief in your garden I probably won't be able to keep up. The problem is when I'm sending with a straight key I tend to creep up in speed without realizing it, get it back at the faster speed, and then cut QSO's short because I always feel it's impolite to ask the other fellow to QRS when *I'm* the one who sped us up in the first place. The aforementioned ticks me off (at myself), because I'm a ragchewer and when we move off of the formula and get into cabbage grandmas is when I start getting more interested in the di-dahversation. Rick N4YQP __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
I sure can relate to that. I can send wonderful code at 25 WPM but simply cannot copy anywhere near that. I'm trying a new technique. I'm going to copy received code by typing it on my computer. I can type an easy 60-70 WPM so I'm hoping that by putting down the pencil and banging on the keyboard I can substantially increase my receive speed. Doug -- K0DXV Ricky Robbins wrote: Is it logical to assume that a person's CW sending speed approximates their copy speed? Well, it's *logical* - that just doesn't always mean it's true. :) After a long period of inactivity, my copy speed right now is about 10 wpm, but I can send considerably faster and I have to keep reminding myself to send at about 10 wpm to avoid getting it sent back to me at a faster speed than I can copy. I can copy faster than 10 wpm when receiving the standard RST, Name, QTH, Rig, etc., but if you start telling me about your late grandmother's bursitis woes or the cabbage worm grief in your garden I probably won't be able to keep up. The problem is when I'm sending with a straight key I tend to creep up in speed without realizing it, get it back at the faster speed, and then cut QSO's short because I always feel it's impolite to ask the other fellow to QRS when *I'm* the one who sped us up in the first place. The aforementioned ticks me off (at myself), because I'm a ragchewer and when we move off of the formula and get into cabbage grandmas is when I start getting more interested in the di-dahversation. I keep thinking the speed will come back, but I don't think it's coming back at the rate it came originally some thirty years ago. Rick N4YQP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
Hi Duane: Is it logical to assume that a person's CW sending speed approximates their copy speed? I can't help but assume this, and so when I call CQ and get a return caller sending at half the speed which I called or sending extreme farnsworth, I almost always lower my speed in order to be considerate. In general, yes. One should assume that if a station calls CQ at x-WPM, he is soliciting a reply at or near that speed. Likewise if you call CQ at 20 WPM you would normally expect to get a reply at somewhere around that speed. However... there are those (and I currently have one in my Advanced CW class) who can readily copy 20-22 WPM, but who are still learning to send 'clean' CW with a keyer, BUT they can send decent 13 WPM CW with a straight key. I ALWAYS try to match my speed to that of the other guy, regardless of his sending speed. Sometimes that means that we have a 45-minute 15 WPM QSO, only to find at the 45th minute that he actually can send/copy 50 WPM and for some odd reason he just chose to send 15 WPM when he answered my CQ... So we just had a QRS QSO when we could have held it at a much higher speed which would have still suited both of us... G IF you have any reason to believe that the other guy can send/receive at a higher speed, you can always ASK him if he's able to send/copy faster. I also have (several) students who can send (decent CQ) at a speed faster than they can copy. They won't speed up their sending unless asked to do so and if asked, they tell the other guy to please NOT increase his speed to them faster than they can copy (but 'pressing' their copy is good for them, to some extent). Hope this helps. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
QRQ ? :) Kevin. KD5ONS -Original Message- From: Tom Hammond n...@embarqmail.com Sent: Aug 7, 2009 6:45 PM To: dw bw...@fastmail.fm, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed Hi Duane: Is it logical to assume that a person's CW sending speed approximates their copy speed? I can't help but assume this, and so when I call CQ and get a return caller sending at half the speed which I called or sending extreme farnsworth, I almost always lower my speed in order to be considerate. In general, yes. One should assume that if a station calls CQ at x-WPM, he is soliciting a reply at or near that speed. Likewise if you call CQ at 20 WPM you would normally expect to get a reply at somewhere around that speed. However... there are those (and I currently have one in my Advanced CW class) who can readily copy 20-22 WPM, but who are still learning to send 'clean' CW with a keyer, BUT they can send decent 13 WPM CW with a straight key. I ALWAYS try to match my speed to that of the other guy, regardless of his sending speed. Sometimes that means that we have a 45-minute 15 WPM QSO, only to find at the 45th minute that he actually can send/copy 50 WPM and for some odd reason he just chose to send 15 WPM when he answered my CQ... So we just had a QRS QSO when we could have held it at a much higher speed which would have still suited both of us... G IF you have any reason to believe that the other guy can send/receive at a higher speed, you can always ASK him if he's able to send/copy faster. I also have (several) students who can send (decent CQ) at a speed faster than they can copy. They won't speed up their sending unless asked to do so and if asked, they tell the other guy to please NOT increase his speed to them faster than they can copy (but 'pressing' their copy is good for them, to some extent). Hope this helps. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed
I fully agree. I'm fairly new (in comparison) at this. My sweet spot 18 wpm. If the speed creeps up and we wander from the basics, I get in trouble quick. Luckily I can't yet send much faster than I can receive. 73 David Wilburn NM4M --Original Message-- From: Ricky Robbins Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net To: Elecraft_List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Off-Topic: CW sending vs. receiving speed Sent: Aug 7, 2009 13:50 Is it logical to assume that a person's CW sending speed approximates their copy speed? Well, it's *logical* - that just doesn't always mean it's true. :) After a long period of inactivity, my copy speed right now is about 10 wpm, but I can send considerably faster and I have to keep reminding myself to send at about 10 wpm to avoid getting it sent back to me at a faster speed than I can copy. I can copy faster than 10 wpm when receiving the standard RST, Name, QTH, Rig, etc., but if you start telling me about your late grandmother's bursitis woes or the cabbage worm grief in your garden I probably won't be able to keep up. The problem is when I'm sending with a straight key I tend to creep up in speed without realizing it, get it back at the faster speed, and then cut QSO's short because I always feel it's impolite to ask the other fellow to QRS when *I'm* the one who sped us up in the first place. The aforementioned ticks me off (at myself), because I'm a ragchewer and when we move off of the formula and get into cabbage grandmas is when I start getting more interested in the di-dahversation. I keep thinking the speed will come back, but I don't think it's coming back at the rate it came originally some thirty years ago. Rick N4YQP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
