[Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

2007-11-26 Thread k4tmc
First, don't worry, I have not started to remove anything from the ESD 
bags.


There is quite a lot of that pink antistatic bubblewrap protecting the 
pieces of the K3 kit.  Is is possible that those could be used as a 
static dissipating work mat?


73,
Henry - K4TMC

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RE: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

2007-11-26 Thread Gary Hvizdak
Henry (K4TMC) wrote ...

There is quite a lot of that pink antistatic bubble wrap protecting the 
pieces of the K3 kit.  Is it possible that those could be used as a 
static dissipating work mat?

--

Henry,

   No.

73,
Gary  KI4GGX

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Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

2007-11-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ahhh, come on Henry - Surely, you can spare $20 for an anti-static mat 
to protect your $1300+++ investment in the K3 kit!


TigerDirect (www.tigerdirect.com) has their stock number ULT33122 priced 
at $19.99.  I don't know if they are available in the local store, but a 
phone call might give you that info.  I have no relationship with 
TigerDirect except as a customer - I'm just passing information along.


If you really want to go inexpensive, roll out some aluminum foil to 
keep everything at the same potential - you can even ground the foil 
with a 1 megohm resistor to the AC equipment ground that is likely found 
on every receptacle in the house.


Congratulations on receiving your K3, and Happy Building.

73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, don't worry, I have not started to remove anything from the ESD 
bags.


There is quite a lot of that pink antistatic bubblewrap protecting the 
pieces of the K3 kit.  Is is possible that those could be used as a 
static dissipating work mat?


73,
Henry - K4TMC


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Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

2007-11-26 Thread Mike B
Hit up Radio Shack in the morning - they have a kit with mat  strap.

73,

Mike
KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat? End of Thread

2007-11-26 Thread k4tmc

OK, thanks for all the responses.  I got the message!

It's like this - the package was not scheduled to arrive until 
tomorrow.  I leave tomorrow morning for a business trip, and had 
planned to pick up a mat while on the trip.  You know what a kid is 
like with a new toy!  I was trying to decide whether it was OK to use 
the pink stuff temporarily.


So, to play it safe, I just did some of the basic mechanical assembly 
(carry handle, rubber feet, SO239).  That will suffice until I get a 
mat this week.  It will be the weekend before things can get started 
anyhow.


73,
Henry - K4TMC

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 26  9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

Ahhh, come on Henry - Surely, you can spare $20 for an anti-static mat
to protect your $1300+++ investment in the K3 kit!

TigerDirect (www.tigerdirect.com) has their stock number ULT33122 
priced
at $19.99.  I don't know if they are available in the local store, but 
a

phone call might give you that info.  I have no relationship with
TigerDirect except as a customer - I'm just passing information along.

If you really want to go inexpensive, roll out some aluminum foil to
keep everything at the same potential - you can even ground the foil
with a 1 megohm resistor to the AC equipment ground that is likely 
found

on every receptacle in the house.

Congratulations on receiving your K3, and Happy Building.

73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, don't worry, I have not started to remove anything from the 

ESD

bags.

There is quite a lot of that pink antistatic bubblewrap protecting 

the

pieces of the K3 kit.  Is is possible that those could be used as a
static dissipating work mat?

73,
Henry - K4TMC






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Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat? End of Thread

2007-11-26 Thread k4tmc

OK, thanks for all the responses.  I got the message!

It's like this - the package was not scheduled to arrive until 
tomorrow.  I leave tomorrow morning for a business trip, and had 
planned to pick up a mat while on the trip.  You know what a kid is 
like with a new toy!  I was trying to decide whether it was OK to use 
the pink stuff temporarily.


So, to play it safe, I just did some of the basic mechanical assembly 
(carry handle, rubber feet, SO239).  That will suffice until I get a 
mat this week.  It will be the weekend before things can get started 
anyhow.


73,
Henry - K4TMC

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 26  9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

Ahhh, come on Henry - Surely, you can spare $20 for an anti-static mat
to protect your $1300+++ investment in the K3 kit!

TigerDirect (www.tigerdirect.com) has their stock number ULT33122 
priced
at $19.99.  I don't know if they are available in the local store, but 
a

phone call might give you that info.  I have no relationship with
TigerDirect except as a customer - I'm just passing information along.

If you really want to go inexpensive, roll out some aluminum foil to
keep everything at the same potential - you can even ground the foil
with a 1 megohm resistor to the AC equipment ground that is likely 
found

on every receptacle in the house.

Congratulations on receiving your K3, and Happy Building.

73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, don't worry, I have not started to remove anything from the 

ESD

bags.

There is quite a lot of that pink antistatic bubblewrap protecting 

the

pieces of the K3 kit.  Is is possible that those could be used as a
static dissipating work mat?

73,
Henry - K4TMC






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RE: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

2007-11-26 Thread Gary Hvizdak
Don (W3FPR) wrote ...

If you really want to go inexpensive, roll out some aluminum foil to 
keep everything at the same potential - you can even ground the foil 
with a 1 M resistor to the AC equipment ground that is likely found 
on every receptacle in the house.

--

Henry,

If you use something like aluminum foil for your ESD work surface, AND
you directly ground it (i.e. without a 1M series resistor), AND you don't
use a wrist strap, AND you take a circuit board out of an ESD bag AND place
it on the foil, then you might rapidly discharge tens of thousands of volts
of static charge that's on your body through the circuit card to ground!

Even if you routinely wear a wrist strap, a 1M series resistor between
the foil and ground (as Don suggests) would be a very good idea, for the
times when you forget to put it on, or in case someone else comes along who
doesn't know proper ESD procedures.

BTW, it would be a BAD IDEA to put the bubble wrap on top of the foil
whether or not you have a 1 M resistor in series with it.

FYI, there's a wealth of information about ESD at online.  Check out ...
http://www.midwestesd.org/aboutesd.html for much more than you are likely to
ever want to know on the subject.

73,
Gary  KI4GGX

P.S.  On a related subject, the IPC expert (where I work) didn't have an
answer to the recent directly grounded soldering iron tip question.
However, she did said she would get back to me with an answer.

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Re: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?

2007-11-26 Thread Don Ehrlich
Generally, the color pink denotes a material that will not *create* static. 
i.e. it does not shed electrons easily.  However, it will *not* dissipate an 
existing static charge because it is non-conductive and is therefore useless 
as a static mat.


Packing material that is at least slightly conductive is usually colored 
black and it is used where items must be shielded.  It could be used as a 
mat in theory but, practically, it would probably not work very well.  As 
others have suggested .. invest in a real static mat.


Don K7FJ


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Subject: [Elecraft] Poor Man's ESD Mat?


First, don't worry, I have not started to remove anything from the ESD 
bags.


There is quite a lot of that pink antistatic bubblewrap protecting the 
pieces of the K3 kit.  Is is possible that those could be used as a static 
dissipating work mat?


73,
Henry - K4TMC

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