Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Hi I have the stainless steel kit (tho' still not installed and I have no rust) but all these messages about rust led me to remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRKmkybIaqc hope you enjoy - and sorry for the OT... Eric will be closing it soon anyway :-) 73 John VE3NFK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rusting-screws-tp7073305p7081519.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
just a thought, a highly polished stainless steel outer shell would be really nice to!! Ken..G0ORH / M3i Sent from my iPhone On 10 Dec 2011, at 01:33, "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" wrote: > Hi Mike, > > We're going to look seriously at the SS screws for all products. > > We've actually been using the current black oxide steel type of screw > for the external screws since we started the company with the K2. These > are the same type of screw used by Alpha amps and a number of other ham > manufacturers.( I just got off the phone earlier today with Alpha > confirming this.) > > While receiving occasional reports of rust from tropical and extremely > humid areas, most users have not reported any problems. As an example, I > live 1 mile from the ocean here in CA, and the screws on my 12+ year old > K2, my K3, KX1, K1 etc are all pristine. We created the K3 SS screwkit > for the K3 as a special kit for dxpeditioners etc who were operating in > extreme conditions. It consists of all of the exterior screws on the K3 > (not just the 4-40 x 3/16 screws) and was bought by us in low volumes, > hence the higher price. We're probably breaking even on these after > kitting, order entry etc. We're certainly not getting rich selling the > SS screw kits. :-) > > Also, the rust seen on extreme dxpeditions was restricted just to the > exterior screws. We haven't seen any serious corrosion with the interior > screws. > > That said, the screw corrosion thread here has prompted us to revisit > this and to look at phasing in SS screws across the whole product line. > It is certainly happening in more cases than we, our you, would like to > see. We are actively looking at sources right now and I'll report back > to the list as we get something defined, both for new kits and for mod > kits to existing rigs. This is a pretty big project to change it all > over. We'll make sure to keep the cost on the SS screw mod kits very > low. Our goal is to make sure there is nothing standing in the way of > the K2, and or other products, being perceived as high quality products. > > Also, in the near term, we'll replace any of the existing exterior > screws with the same type at no cost for corrosion. Just email > pa...@elecraft.com and let them know which screws you need and the qty etc. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > www.elecraft.com > > > On 12/9/2011 7:14 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover screws. >> >> They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. >> >> The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit >> not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil& Debbie Salas wrote: >>> FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster Carr. >>> Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and KPA500. >>> >>> Phil - AD5X >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Thank, Eric. I really like your customer service. 73 Johnny vr2xmc Sent from my iPhone 4 "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" 於 2011年12月10日 上午9:33 寫道： > Hi Mike, > > We're going to look seriously at the SS screws for all products. > > We've actually been using the current black oxide steel type of screw > for the external screws since we started the company with the K2. These > are the same type of screw used by Alpha amps and a number of other ham > manufacturers.( I just got off the phone earlier today with Alpha > confirming this.) > > While receiving occasional reports of rust from tropical and extremely > humid areas, most users have not reported any problems. As an example, I > live 1 mile from the ocean here in CA, and the screws on my 12+ year old > K2, my K3, KX1, K1 etc are all pristine. We created the K3 SS screwkit > for the K3 as a special kit for dxpeditioners etc who were operating in > extreme conditions. It consists of all of the exterior screws on the K3 > (not just the 4-40 x 3/16 screws) and was bought by us in low volumes, > hence the higher price. We're probably breaking even on these after > kitting, order entry etc. We're certainly not getting rich selling the > SS screw kits. :-) > > Also, the rust seen on extreme dxpeditions was restricted just to the > exterior screws. We haven't seen any serious corrosion with the interior > screws. > > That said, the screw corrosion thread here has prompted us to revisit > this and to look at phasing in SS screws across the whole product line. > It is certainly happening in more cases than we, our you, would like to > see. We are actively looking at sources right now and I'll report back > to the list as we get something defined, both for new kits and for mod > kits to existing rigs. This is a pretty big project to change it all > over. We'll make sure to keep the cost on the SS screw mod kits very > low. Our goal is to make sure there is nothing standing in the way of > the K2, and or other products, being perceived as high quality products. > > Also, in the near term, we'll replace any of the existing exterior > screws with the same type at no cost for corrosion. Just email > pa...@elecraft.com and let them know which screws you need and the qty etc. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > www.elecraft.com > > > On 12/9/2011 7:14 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover screws. >> >> They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. >> >> The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit >> not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil& Debbie Salas wrote: >>> FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster Carr. >>> Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and KPA500. >>> >>> Phil - AD5X >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Errr Thanks Eric! Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/9/2011 6:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Hi Mike, > > We're going to look seriously at the SS screws for all products. > > We've actually been using the current black oxide steel type of screw > for the external screws since we started the company with the K2. > These are the same type of screw used by Alpha amps and a number of > other ham manufacturers.( I just got off the phone earlier today with > Alpha confirming this.) > > While receiving occasional reports of rust from tropical and extremely > humid areas, most users have not reported any problems. As an example, > I live 1 mile from the ocean here in CA, and the screws on my 12+ year > old K2, my K3, KX1, K1 etc are all pristine. We created the K3 SS > screwkit for the K3 as a special kit for dxpeditioners etc who were > operating in extreme conditions. It consists of all of the exterior > screws on the K3 (not just the 4-40 x 3/16 screws) and was bought by > us in low volumes, hence the higher price. We're probably breaking > even on these after kitting, order entry etc. We're certainly not > getting rich selling the SS screw kits. :-) > > Also, the rust seen on extreme dxpeditions was restricted just to the > exterior screws. We haven't seen any serious corrosion with the > interior screws. > > That said, the screw corrosion thread here has prompted us to revisit > this and to look at phasing in SS screws across the whole product > line. It is certainly happening in more cases than we, our you, would > like to see. We are actively looking at sources right now and I'll > report back to the list as we get something defined, both for new kits > and for mod kits to existing rigs. This is a pretty big project to > change it all over. We'll make sure to keep the cost on the SS screw > mod kits very low. Our goal is to make sure there is nothing standing > in the way of the K2, and or other products, being perceived as high > quality products. > > Also, in the near term, we'll replace any of the existing exterior > screws with the same type at no cost for corrosion. Just email > pa...@elecraft.com and let them know which screws you need and the qty > etc. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > www.elecraft.com > > > On 12/9/2011 7:14 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover >> screws. >> >> They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. >> >> The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit >> not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil& Debbie Salas wrote: >>> FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster >>> Carr. >>> Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and >>> KPA500. >>> >>> Phil - AD5X >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Another reason why I love Elecraft products! The willingness to go that little bit extra for their customers, thanks Eric. (And I'll grab a SS kit for my amplifier and my P3 when they're ready thanks) :) 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF East Innisfail QLD, Australia K3 #4257, P3#1629, KPA-500 #161 - Original Message - From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" To: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws > Hi Mike, > > We're going to look seriously at the SS screws for all products. > > We've actually been using the current black oxide steel type of screw > for the external screws since we started the company with the K2. These > are the same type of screw used by Alpha amps and a number of other ham > manufacturers.( I just got off the phone earlier today with Alpha > confirming this.) > > While receiving occasional reports of rust from tropical and extremely > humid areas, most users have not reported any problems. As an example, I > live 1 mile from the ocean here in CA, and the screws on my 12+ year old > K2, my K3, KX1, K1 etc are all pristine. We created the K3 SS screwkit > for the K3 as a special kit for dxpeditioners etc who were operating in > extreme conditions. It consists of all of the exterior screws on the K3 > (not just the 4-40 x 3/16 screws) and was bought by us in low volumes, > hence the higher price. We're probably breaking even on these after > kitting, order entry etc. We're certainly not getting rich selling the > SS screw kits. :-) > > Also, the rust seen on extreme dxpeditions was restricted just to the > exterior screws. We haven't seen any serious corrosion with the interior > screws. > > That said, the screw corrosion thread here has prompted us to revisit > this and to look at phasing in SS screws across the whole product line. > It is certainly happening in more cases than we, our you, would like to > see. We are actively looking at sources right now and I'll report back > to the list as we get something defined, both for new kits and for mod > kits to existing rigs. This is a pretty big project to change it all > over. We'll make sure to keep the cost on the SS screw mod kits very > low. Our goal is to make sure there is nothing standing in the way of > the K2, and or other products, being perceived as high quality products. > > Also, in the near term, we'll replace any of the existing exterior > screws with the same type at no cost for corrosion. Just email > pa...@elecraft.com and let them know which screws you need and the qty > etc. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > www.elecraft.com > > > On 12/9/2011 7:14 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover >> screws. >> >> They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. >> >> The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit >> not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil& Debbie Salas wrote: >>> FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster >>> Carr. >>> Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and >>> KPA500. >>> >>> Phil - AD5X >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Wayne, Thanks! Elecraft comes through again! Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/9/2011 6:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Hi Mike, > > We're going to look seriously at the SS screws for all products. > > We've actually been using the current black oxide steel type of screw > for the external screws since we started the company with the K2. > These are the same type of screw used by Alpha amps and a number of > other ham manufacturers.( I just got off the phone earlier today with > Alpha confirming this.) > > While receiving occasional reports of rust from tropical and extremely > humid areas, most users have not reported any problems. As an example, > I live 1 mile from the ocean here in CA, and the screws on my 12+ year > old K2, my K3, KX1, K1 etc are all pristine. We created the K3 SS > screwkit for the K3 as a special kit for dxpeditioners etc who were > operating in extreme conditions. It consists of all of the exterior > screws on the K3 (not just the 4-40 x 3/16 screws) and was bought by > us in low volumes, hence the higher price. We're probably breaking > even on these after kitting, order entry etc. We're certainly not > getting rich selling the SS screw kits. :-) > > Also, the rust seen on extreme dxpeditions was restricted just to the > exterior screws. We haven't seen any serious corrosion with the > interior screws. > > That said, the screw corrosion thread here has prompted us to revisit > this and to look at phasing in SS screws across the whole product > line. It is certainly happening in more cases than we, our you, would > like to see. We are actively looking at sources right now and I'll > report back to the list as we get something defined, both for new kits > and for mod kits to existing rigs. This is a pretty big project to > change it all over. We'll make sure to keep the cost on the SS screw > mod kits very low. Our goal is to make sure there is nothing standing > in the way of the K2, and or other products, being perceived as high > quality products. > > Also, in the near term, we'll replace any of the existing exterior > screws with the same type at no cost for corrosion. Just email > pa...@elecraft.com and let them know which screws you need and the qty > etc. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > > www.elecraft.com > > > On 12/9/2011 7:14 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover >> screws. >> >> They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. >> >> The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit >> not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil& Debbie Salas wrote: >>> FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster >>> Carr. >>> Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and >>> KPA500. >>> >>> Phil - AD5X >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Hi Mike, We're going to look seriously at the SS screws for all products. We've actually been using the current black oxide steel type of screw for the external screws since we started the company with the K2. These are the same type of screw used by Alpha amps and a number of other ham manufacturers.( I just got off the phone earlier today with Alpha confirming this.) While receiving occasional reports of rust from tropical and extremely humid areas, most users have not reported any problems. As an example, I live 1 mile from the ocean here in CA, and the screws on my 12+ year old K2, my K3, KX1, K1 etc are all pristine. We created the K3 SS screwkit for the K3 as a special kit for dxpeditioners etc who were operating in extreme conditions. It consists of all of the exterior screws on the K3 (not just the 4-40 x 3/16 screws) and was bought by us in low volumes, hence the higher price. We're probably breaking even on these after kitting, order entry etc. We're certainly not getting rich selling the SS screw kits. :-) Also, the rust seen on extreme dxpeditions was restricted just to the exterior screws. We haven't seen any serious corrosion with the interior screws. That said, the screw corrosion thread here has prompted us to revisit this and to look at phasing in SS screws across the whole product line. It is certainly happening in more cases than we, our you, would like to see. We are actively looking at sources right now and I'll report back to the list as we get something defined, both for new kits and for mod kits to existing rigs. This is a pretty big project to change it all over. We'll make sure to keep the cost on the SS screw mod kits very low. Our goal is to make sure there is nothing standing in the way of the K2, and or other products, being perceived as high quality products. Also, in the near term, we'll replace any of the existing exterior screws with the same type at no cost for corrosion. Just email pa...@elecraft.com and let them know which screws you need and the qty etc. 73, Eric WA6HHQ www.elecraft.com On 12/9/2011 7:14 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Thanks. > > I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover screws. > > They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. > > The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit > not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil& Debbie Salas wrote: >> FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster Carr. >> Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and KPA500. >> >> Phil - AD5X >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting Screws
Tony, Great point... Stainless vs. aluminum? Unless you have a need based on use... I would stick with the supplied "softer" screws to avoid unnecessary wear when removing and re-installing. My standard screws on K2, KX1 and K3 are doing just super, no rust. I did FT on both the K2 and KX1 and I cannot tell you how many times I removed the case. Stainless is not very forgiving with other materials. The D connectors Elecraft uses are aluminum... easily replaced. But if you stay with the provided screws there should be little issue. I have no need for stainless at this point, but would consider a set with the KX3 if I use in the car... we do have plenty of salt in the atmosphere during the winter. Just look at the rust damage to exposed soft metal. I don't have salt in my atmosphere in the shack, but I do have some heavy humidity during the summer. I live just West of Lake Michigan and just east of Green Bay. Normal humidity is 40-60%. 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM, K7WIA wrote: > If I had a problem with the screws rusting, I would be replacing mine > with this. > > http://www.fastener-express.com/button-socket-screws-black-anodized-al > uminum.aspx > They are neat-looking, but don't tighten 'em too much. It's oh-so-easy to strip out that little hex recess, as I have found to my sorrow. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws - plus remote, redisigned front pannel.
When I first went to operate from T70A, during the last year CQ WW CW, the T70A club members were all eager to see K3. The first thing they observed was rusty screws, so it was not easy to convince some of them that K3 is not a toy, but real contest machine Another thing that I would suggest to Elecraft is to offer, as an option, large, remotelly attachable front panel, redisigned for ease of everyday use. I am sure some of us would not mind having a large, oversized remote front panel that could allow easier access to the often used knobs/controls and also visually make K3 appear bigger, comparable to its on the air performance. Having an FT 990 as a R2 in my SO2R setup, every time I access oversized knobs, it reminds me that in the heat of the battle these things also affect overall perfornace, by reducing stress of trying to quickly reach small, hard-to-access knobs and conrols 73 Ivo I7/9A3A - Original Message - From: "Johnny Siu" To: "Cady, Fred" ; "W0MU Mike Fatchett" ; "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Rusting screws > Hello Gentleman, > > All the screws in K3, P3 and KPA500 show signs of rusting after two months > in VR2. I trust the provision of SS screws as a kind of standard provision > (not optional) should have minimal effects on the costings. > > The picture of my shack shown in www.qrz.com shows the environment of my > QTH. > > For radio equipment at the elite class (like elecraft radios), I would not > expect to see rusting screws. Equally speaking, I do not expect the > quality of screws used in Elecraft radios is the same as that in MFJ. > > The screws of my Kuranishi antenna analyser BR510 show no sign of rusting > after years of usage. > > TNX & 73, > > > Johnny VR2XMC > > > > 從︰ "Cady, Fred" > 收件人︰ W0MU Mike Fatchett ; Elecraft Reflector > > 傳送日期︰ 2011年12月8日 (週四) 10:09 PM > 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws > > You think the screws on the K3 get rusted, you ought to see the screws > on the MFJ antenna analyzer after a week on C6. > Fred KE7X > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike > Fatchett > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:19 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Rusting screws > > Nearly all my case screws on my K3 and KPA 500 are showing signs of rust > > after being in Saint Lucia for just 11 days. Mother nature is > relentless down there! > > -- > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting Screws
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM, K7WIA wrote: > If I had a problem with the screws rusting, I would be replacing mine with > this. > > http://www.fastener-express.com/button-socket-screws-black-anodized-aluminum.aspx > They are neat-looking, but don't tighten 'em too much. It's oh-so-easy to strip out that little hex recess, as I have found to my sorrow. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting Screws
They also have them in flat head http://www.fastener-express.com/flat-screws-black-anodized-aluminum.aspx Ed K7WIA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rusting-Screws-tp7079076p7079318.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting Screws
If I had a problem with the screws rusting, I would be replacing mine with this. http://www.fastener-express.com/button-socket-screws-black-anodized-aluminum.aspx Ed K7WIA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rusting-Screws-tp7079076p7079288.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting Screws - McMaster Carr
I have dealt with McMaster Carr for many years, and I regard them as my premier hardware supplier. If I want only one, I will try to see if the local Ace Hardware has it, but if I want more than 1 or two, McMaster Carr is the "go to" place - certainly I may have to buy in quantities of 10 or 100, but the price is right and the service in my location is "next day" for UPS ground shipping. If it is screws, thimbles, brass rods, copper sheet, or most any other kind of hardware, that is the place to go IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2011 12:41 PM, edevelope...@yahoo.com wrote: > Phil, a big thanks to you for this information! > > I do have stainless screws in my K3, but the black coating on several of them > wasn't good from the beginning, and now 18 months later they have a > pure-stainless appearance, though the rig has never left my NJ QTH. It was > mildly bothersome as a purely cosmetic issue, but not worth pestering > Elecraft about, given their incomparable service to me on other items. > > So I can now get 100 at a reasonable cost and replace those few and also > stainless-ize my P3. > > I also discovered a number of other hard-to-find items at McMaster-Carr, too. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Rusting Screws
Phil, a big thanks to you for this information! I do have stainless screws in my K3, but the black coating on several of them wasn't good from the beginning, and now 18 months later they have a pure-stainless appearance, though the rig has never left my NJ QTH. It was mildly bothersome as a purely cosmetic issue, but not worth pestering Elecraft about, given their incomparable service to me on other items. So I can now get 100 at a reasonable cost and replace those few and also stainless-ize my P3. I also discovered a number of other hard-to-find items at McMaster-Carr, too. My 1965-vintage home has some zinc/steel bridle rings on the siding that now route CATV coax, and I looked everywhere for these as I wanted more of them. These have a wood-screw end and a split ring that makes it easy to put coax into and take the coax out of them. Lo and behold, 1-inch bridle rings at McMaster-Carr, 3/16" X 1" Length Wood Screw Thread, 1" Ring ID, packs of 10, $4.68/pack, part number 1706T31. They have larger sizes too and are available with or without plastic inserts. I also found a constant-tension t-bolt hose clamp for my weedeater there, but that's another story. Add me to the list of those who agree that stainless hardware should become standard issue as is befitting of all of the fine Elecraft gear. 73 de Tyler, KC2LST - FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster Carr. Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and KPA500. Phil - AD5X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Thanks. I was curious if the screw kit Elecraft provides is just for cover screws. They are working on a SS kit for the KPA 500 too. The cost for 100 screws has shown there is no reason other than profit not to include SS hardware with the kits from the start. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/9/2011 5:28 AM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote: > FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster Carr. > Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and KPA500. > > Phil - AD5X > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
FWIW - I bought #4x1/4" SS black-oxide covered screws from McMaster Carr. Price is $3.91/100. Part number 96640A054. I use them on my K3 and KPA500. Phil - AD5X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Rusting screws
Hello Mike, Totally agreed and you express better than I am. Under a bulk purchase, the provision of SS screws as a standard (not optional) would cost minimal extra especially when compared with the high value purchase of Elecraft radios. Whether it is "giving something not really needed" or "having a choice of something not needed" is NOT an issue at all. TNX & 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ W0MU Mike Fatchett 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年12月8日 (週四) 11:26 PM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws I agree with most of the others, SS need to be the standard. These rigs are expensive. Top of the line rigs and amps should not be rusting away after a week. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
I do not believe that the SS kit was available when I first ordered however I could be mistaken. If a company is building a reputation of top quality products why would they want to skimp on screws that rust after a few days in a high humidity/salt air environment. If I had any inclination that this would be a problem after a week I certainly would have purchased the screw kit. If I were Elecraft I would not want people seeing my radios with rust all over the screws. What impression does this leave with someone who may be interested in their products? If bought in quantity what would the actual cost differential be? I bet not much. This seems like a poor choice on where to cut corners. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/8/2011 8:44 AM, Dave Wright wrote: > While I understand the concern about the rusting screws, is this really a > surprise? When ordering, you have the option of ordering the SS screws for > only $19.95 extra. > > Why spend $2000+ on a rig and not spend the extra $20 on the SS screws just > in case. I don't live in a marine environment, or one with extreme humidity, > or any other extreme, but I ordered them just in case I MIGHT need it in the > future. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they say. > > Should it be standard to have the SS hardware. Perhaps. Did you have the > option to order it in advance and prevent the rusting screws. Of course you > did. > > If you are going to spend the $2000+, spend the extra 1% and order the SS > hardware from the start. It is only common sense. If you choose not to do > so, then you shouldn't blame Elecraft. > > Just my humble opinion, > > 73 > > Dave > K3DCW > > On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:26, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > >> I agree with most of the others, SS need to be the standard. These >> rigs are expensive. Top of the line rigs and amps should not be rusting >> away after a week. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/8/2011 6:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> I believe the K3 SS screw kit has enough stainless screws that it could >>> be used on the KPA500 and the P3 as well. Most of the external screws >>> are the same size. I will admit that some of the screws on the bottom >>> of the KPA500 are longer, but you might be able to replace many of the >>> screws on both the KPA500 and the P3 with one SS screw kit from Elecraft >>> - there are extras in the package (but then I have not counted either). >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 12/8/2011 1:25 AM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote: Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS Screw kit by the factory. I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on a winner. How about it Wayne&Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, KAT500&KX3 please. >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
I'm pleased that I did not pay for something (stainless screws) which I don't need. John G4ZTR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: 08 December 2011 15:27 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws I agree with most of the others, SS need to be the standard. These rigs are expensive. Top of the line rigs and amps should not be rusting away after a week. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/8/2011 6:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I believe the K3 SS screw kit has enough stainless screws that it could > be used on the KPA500 and the P3 as well. Most of the external screws > are the same size. I will admit that some of the screws on the bottom > of the KPA500 are longer, but you might be able to replace many of the > screws on both the KPA500 and the P3 with one SS screw kit from Elecraft > - there are extras in the package (but then I have not counted either). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/8/2011 1:25 AM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote: >> Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up >> >> This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North >> Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS >> Screw kit by the factory. >> >> I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though >> my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. >> >> Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and >> KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on >> a winner. >> >> How about it Wayne& Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, >> KAT500& KX3 please. >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6694 (20111208) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6694 (20111208) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Or how about polished brass? I dunno which would cost less. 73, Mike NF4L On 12/8/2011 10:26 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > I agree with most of the others, SS need to be the standard. These > rigs are expensive. Top of the line rigs and amps should not be rusting > away after a week. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > On 12/8/2011 6:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I believe the K3 SS screw kit has enough stainless screws that it could >> be used on the KPA500 and the P3 as well. Most of the external screws >> are the same size. I will admit that some of the screws on the bottom >> of the KPA500 are longer, but you might be able to replace many of the >> screws on both the KPA500 and the P3 with one SS screw kit from Elecraft >> - there are extras in the package (but then I have not counted either). >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 12/8/2011 1:25 AM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote: >>> Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up >>> >>> This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North >>> Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS >>> Screw kit by the factory. >>> >>> I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though >>> my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. >>> >>> Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and >>> KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on >>> a winner. >>> >>> How about it Wayne&Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, >>> KAT500&KX3 please. >>> >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
I agree with most of the others, SS need to be the standard. These rigs are expensive. Top of the line rigs and amps should not be rusting away after a week. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/8/2011 6:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I believe the K3 SS screw kit has enough stainless screws that it could > be used on the KPA500 and the P3 as well. Most of the external screws > are the same size. I will admit that some of the screws on the bottom > of the KPA500 are longer, but you might be able to replace many of the > screws on both the KPA500 and the P3 with one SS screw kit from Elecraft > - there are extras in the package (but then I have not counted either). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/8/2011 1:25 AM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote: >> Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up >> >> This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North >> Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS >> Screw kit by the factory. >> >> I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though >> my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. >> >> Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and >> KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on >> a winner. >> >> How about it Wayne& Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, >> KAT500& KX3 please. >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Rusting screws
Hello Gentleman, All the screws in K3, P3 and KPA500 show signs of rusting after two months in VR2. I trust the provision of SS screws as a kind of standard provision (not optional) should have minimal effects on the costings. The picture of my shack shown in www.qrz.com shows the environment of my QTH. For radio equipment at the elite class (like elecraft radios), I would not expect to see rusting screws. Equally speaking, I do not expect the quality of screws used in Elecraft radios is the same as that in MFJ. The screws of my Kuranishi antenna analyser BR510 show no sign of rusting after years of usage. TNX & 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ "Cady, Fred" 收件人︰ W0MU Mike Fatchett ; Elecraft Reflector 傳送日期︰ 2011年12月8日 (週四) 10:09 PM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws You think the screws on the K3 get rusted, you ought to see the screws on the MFJ antenna analyzer after a week on C6. Fred KE7X -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:19 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Rusting screws Nearly all my case screws on my K3 and KPA 500 are showing signs of rust after being in Saint Lucia for just 11 days. Mother nature is relentless down there! -- Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
You think the screws on the K3 get rusted, you ought to see the screws on the MFJ antenna analyzer after a week on C6. Fred KE7X -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:19 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Rusting screws Nearly all my case screws on my K3 and KPA 500 are showing signs of rust after being in Saint Lucia for just 11 days. Mother nature is relentless down there! -- Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
I believe the K3 SS screw kit has enough stainless screws that it could be used on the KPA500 and the P3 as well. Most of the external screws are the same size. I will admit that some of the screws on the bottom of the KPA500 are longer, but you might be able to replace many of the screws on both the KPA500 and the P3 with one SS screw kit from Elecraft - there are extras in the package (but then I have not counted either). 73, Don W3FPR On 12/8/2011 1:25 AM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote: > Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up > > This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North > Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS > Screw kit by the factory. > > I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though > my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. > > Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and > KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on > a winner. > > How about it Wayne& Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, > KAT500& KX3 please. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
The SS Screws are painted black. The nuts and lock washers are normal Stainless color. Tim Herrick, KQ8M North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:12 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws Are the SS screws still balck and if so and not painted, what is the finish please? 73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???) -- Dear God, Did you mean for the giraffe to look like that or was it an accident? -Norma [Children's Letters to God, 1991] On 8 Dec 2011, at 07:37, Gary VK4FD wrote: > The painted screws simply demean the appearance of the equipment and it looks pretty awful I reckon. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Rusting screws
Hello Gentleman, I put this up in the past. All screws in K3, P3 and KPA500 show signs of rusting after a few months usage in VR2. I also requested that for this elite class radio equipment, ss screws should be just a standard provision. In other words, I would not expect rusting screws in an over $2,000 radio. Elecraft offers the SS screw as an option for K3 but the not the P3 and KPA500. I would expect the cost of ss screws as a standard provision should be minimal and Elecraft simply saves the administration costs in handling rusting screws (like work for their parts department). I have a number of Icom radios with age over 20 years showing NO sign of rusting screws. Rusting screw is just making the elecraft radios less perfect in its elite class. It will not give too much harm to the owner of Elecraft radios but simply annoying. Whenever hams in Hong Kong ask me about Elecraft radios, I always remind them to beware of the rusting screws. They always look at me with "O" mouth. TNX & 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Gary VK4FD 收件人︰ Rick Bates ; 'Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF' ; 'Elecraft' 傳送日期︰ 2011年12月8日 (週四) 3:37 PM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws Elecraft should just cost all equipment usiing the SS screws and get over it and move on. The painted screws simply demean the appearance of the equipment and it looks pretty awful I reckon. Enuff said..SS screws on all products PLEASE? He climbs slowly down off his box and heads towards the dungeon screeming incoming.:-) Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! - Original Message - From: Rick Bates To: 'Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF' ; 'Elecraft' Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws I agree and used the SS on the K3 kit because I knew that the rig would go seaside and to Hawaii a few times. Not available for the P3 or KPA500. My suggestion is to simply send out ONLY SS screws (even if US$15 more) and it becomes a non-issue. All kits/builds, all metal screws, all stainless. Simpler to stock too. Rick WA6NHC -Original Message- From: Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on a winner. How about it Wayne & Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, KAT500 & KX3 please. 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF East Innisfail QLD, Australia K3 #4257, P3#1629, KPA-500 #161 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Are the SS screws still balck and if so and not painted, what is the finish please? 73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???) -- Dear God, Did you mean for the giraffe to look like that or was it an accident? -Norma [Children's Letters to God, 1991] On 8 Dec 2011, at 07:37, Gary VK4FD wrote: > The painted screws simply demean the appearance of the equipment and it looks > pretty awful I reckon. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Elecraft should just cost all equipment usiing the SS screws and get over it and move on. The painted screws simply demean the appearance of the equipment and it looks pretty awful I reckon. Enuff said..SS screws on all products PLEASE? He climbs slowly down off his box and heads towards the dungeon screeming incoming.:-) Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! - Original Message - From: Rick Bates To: 'Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF' ; 'Elecraft' Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws I agree and used the SS on the K3 kit because I knew that the rig would go seaside and to Hawaii a few times. Not available for the P3 or KPA500. My suggestion is to simply send out ONLY SS screws (even if US$15 more) and it becomes a non-issue. All kits/builds, all metal screws, all stainless. Simpler to stock too. Rick WA6NHC -Original Message- From: Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on a winner. How about it Wayne & Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, KAT500 & KX3 please. 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF East Innisfail QLD, Australia K3 #4257, P3#1629, KPA-500 #161 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
I agree and used the SS on the K3 kit because I knew that the rig would go seaside and to Hawaii a few times. Not available for the P3 or KPA500. My suggestion is to simply send out ONLY SS screws (even if US$15 more) and it becomes a non-issue. All kits/builds, all metal screws, all stainless. Simpler to stock too. Rick WA6NHC -Original Message- From: Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on a winner. How about it Wayne & Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, KAT500 & KX3 please. 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF East Innisfail QLD, Australia K3 #4257, P3#1629, KPA-500 #161 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
My rusty screws look OKnow where is that Black Crayon I use daily...:-) Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! - Original Message - From: Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF To: W0MU Mike Fatchett ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS Screw kit by the factory. I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on a winner. How about it Wayne & Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, KAT500 & KX3 please. 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF East Innisfail QLD, Australia K3 #4257, P3#1629, KPA-500 #161 - Original Message - From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Rusting screws > Nearly all my case screws on my K3 and KPA 500 are showing signs of rust > after being in Saint Lucia for just 11 days. Mother nature is > relentless down there! > > -- > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Rusting screws
Hi Mike, thanks for bringing this up This is a problem that I thought that I would have here in Tropical North Queensland so I spent the extra few dollars and had my K3 built with the SS Screw kit by the factory. I'm so glad I did, no unsightly rusty screws to be seen anywhere even though my gear lives in a moist tropical, seaside environment. Now, if Elecraft would offer a similar SS Screw option for both the P3 and KPA500 (as well as the up and coming KAT500 and the KX3) then we'd all be on a winner. How about it Wayne & Eric, we'd like SS screw kits for the P3, KPA500, KAT500 & KX3 please. 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF East Innisfail QLD, Australia K3 #4257, P3#1629, KPA-500 #161 - Original Message - From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Rusting screws > Nearly all my case screws on my K3 and KPA 500 are showing signs of rust > after being in Saint Lucia for just 11 days. Mother nature is > relentless down there! > > -- > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Rusting screws
Nearly all my case screws on my K3 and KPA 500 are showing signs of rust after being in Saint Lucia for just 11 days. Mother nature is relentless down there! -- Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
