Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
I often think that the Chinese are "Rolling On the Floor Laughing" at the poor QC and just plain junk that they sell us and that we put up with. Not intended as a general comment on the engineering/manufacturing coming out of China; but there's SUCH a wide variation in quality and you definitely "get what you pay for". In some ways, it recalls stories my parents used to tell about Japanese goods in the 1950s. Clay N7QNM -Original Message- From: w4sc Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:28 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals The assembly instruction got lost in translation. De W4SC Sent from Mail for Windows __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
The assembly instruction got lost in translation. De W4SC Sent from Mail for Windows __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
Well...this has been an interesting revelation. I just happened to have two of those adapters, one with a female BNC and the other with a male BNC, laying in my collection of adapters. The one with the male BNC had the red screw cap on the side with the tab and that side was electrically the shield portion of the BNC connector. The other adapter had the red cap on the side that was electrically the center conductor of the BNC connector. Although there were no manufacturing markings anywhere on the adapters, physically the molded portions appeared to be identical, indicating that potentially the same manufacturer made both parts. Electrically, the two parts were correct with only the screw cap colors reversed on one. So, maybe the final assembly person was color blind or 50% right was good enough for their quality control department. 73, Henry - K4TMC On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:56 PM Marshall Harrison wrote: > No, that is not a convention. They should follow the black is ground and > red is hot but sometimes quality control isn't what it should be. > > I always check to make sure since the colored tops can be easily swapped so > I don't trust them. The black/ground/shield side usually has a small tab or > something to identify it as being connected to the coax shield. > > *Marshall Harrison, * > *W4MKH* > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:32 PM Bill Lederer wrote: > > > Team: > > > > I have been using a wire out the window from my upstairs office for an > > antenna for my kx3. The wire goes to a tree about 30 feet away, so it is > > essentially a random wire. I have an additional wire that goes to a > ground > > rod one floor below. > > > > In doing some experiments with RBN and this combination with 5 watts, I > was > > confused about why connecting the wire to the tree to ground through the > > BNC-BP and the ground wire to the hot side of the BNC-BP gave better > > results. > > > > Finally, I measured which was which, and discovered that the black > plastic > > nut on this connector is actually connected to the center pin of the BNC, > > with the red being ground. This was certainly contrary to my > expectations. > > > > I also have a kx2 and got one of these connectors along with that kit. > And > > sure enough, it had the same convention--black is the center pin, red is > > ground. > > > > This is contrary enough to my intuition that I reversed the nuts, so now > > that the red indicates the center pin. > > > > Is this a convention that black is hot and red is ground with these? > > > > Thanks, > > w8lvn > > > > -- > > --w8lvn-- > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to marsh...@gotspeech.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kilo4...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
Aha! I now see the tab. Thanks for the feedback. w8lvn On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 9:54 PM Marshall Harrison wrote: > No, that is not a convention. They should follow the black is ground and > red is hot but sometimes quality control isn't what it should be. > > I always check to make sure since the colored tops can be easily swapped > so I don't trust them. The black/ground/shield side usually has a small tab > or something to identify it as being connected to the coax shield. > > *Marshall Harrison, * > *W4MKH* > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:32 PM Bill Lederer wrote: > >> Team: >> >> I have been using a wire out the window from my upstairs office for an >> antenna for my kx3. The wire goes to a tree about 30 feet away, so it is >> essentially a random wire. I have an additional wire that goes to a >> ground >> rod one floor below. >> >> In doing some experiments with RBN and this combination with 5 watts, I >> was >> confused about why connecting the wire to the tree to ground through the >> BNC-BP and the ground wire to the hot side of the BNC-BP gave better >> results. >> >> Finally, I measured which was which, and discovered that the black plastic >> nut on this connector is actually connected to the center pin of the BNC, >> with the red being ground. This was certainly contrary to my expectations. >> >> I also have a kx2 and got one of these connectors along with that kit. And >> sure enough, it had the same convention--black is the center pin, red is >> ground. >> >> This is contrary enough to my intuition that I reversed the nuts, so now >> that the red indicates the center pin. >> >> Is this a convention that black is hot and red is ground with these? >> >> Thanks, >> w8lvn >> >> -- >> --w8lvn-- >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to marsh...@gotspeech.net >> > -- --w8lvn-- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
No, that is not a convention. They should follow the black is ground and red is hot but sometimes quality control isn't what it should be. I always check to make sure since the colored tops can be easily swapped so I don't trust them. The black/ground/shield side usually has a small tab or something to identify it as being connected to the coax shield. *Marshall Harrison, * *W4MKH* On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:32 PM Bill Lederer wrote: > Team: > > I have been using a wire out the window from my upstairs office for an > antenna for my kx3. The wire goes to a tree about 30 feet away, so it is > essentially a random wire. I have an additional wire that goes to a ground > rod one floor below. > > In doing some experiments with RBN and this combination with 5 watts, I was > confused about why connecting the wire to the tree to ground through the > BNC-BP and the ground wire to the hot side of the BNC-BP gave better > results. > > Finally, I measured which was which, and discovered that the black plastic > nut on this connector is actually connected to the center pin of the BNC, > with the red being ground. This was certainly contrary to my expectations. > > I also have a kx2 and got one of these connectors along with that kit. And > sure enough, it had the same convention--black is the center pin, red is > ground. > > This is contrary enough to my intuition that I reversed the nuts, so now > that the red indicates the center pin. > > Is this a convention that black is hot and red is ground with these? > > Thanks, > w8lvn > > -- > --w8lvn-- > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marsh...@gotspeech.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
I just checked 2 that I have and both were red to center pin. One with female BNC and one with male. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 9:31 PM Bill Lederer wrote: > Team: > > I have been using a wire out the window from my upstairs office for an > antenna for my kx3. The wire goes to a tree about 30 feet away, so it is > essentially a random wire. I have an additional wire that goes to a ground > rod one floor below. > > In doing some experiments with RBN and this combination with 5 watts, I was > confused about why connecting the wire to the tree to ground through the > BNC-BP and the ground wire to the hot side of the BNC-BP gave better > results. > > Finally, I measured which was which, and discovered that the black plastic > nut on this connector is actually connected to the center pin of the BNC, > with the red being ground. This was certainly contrary to my expectations. > > I also have a kx2 and got one of these connectors along with that kit. And > sure enough, it had the same convention--black is the center pin, red is > ground. > > This is contrary enough to my intuition that I reversed the nuts, so now > that the red indicates the center pin. > > Is this a convention that black is hot and red is ground with these? > > Thanks, > w8lvn > > -- > --w8lvn-- > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com > -- Jim K0XU j...@rhodesend.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] So today i learned about BNC-BP and red/black terminals
Team: I have been using a wire out the window from my upstairs office for an antenna for my kx3. The wire goes to a tree about 30 feet away, so it is essentially a random wire. I have an additional wire that goes to a ground rod one floor below. In doing some experiments with RBN and this combination with 5 watts, I was confused about why connecting the wire to the tree to ground through the BNC-BP and the ground wire to the hot side of the BNC-BP gave better results. Finally, I measured which was which, and discovered that the black plastic nut on this connector is actually connected to the center pin of the BNC, with the red being ground. This was certainly contrary to my expectations. I also have a kx2 and got one of these connectors along with that kit. And sure enough, it had the same convention--black is the center pin, red is ground. This is contrary enough to my intuition that I reversed the nuts, so now that the red indicates the center pin. Is this a convention that black is hot and red is ground with these? Thanks, w8lvn -- --w8lvn-- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com