[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

2012-12-27 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 

Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply 
text is time consuming on these devices.


Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherence to this.


Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.


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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

2012-03-31 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft 

> Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially 
> important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
> iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply text is 
> impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.
> 
> Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially when 
> you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really appreciate 
> your adherence to this.
> 
> Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
> possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.
> 
> 73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

2011-05-26 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply 
text is impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherence to this.

Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.

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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

2011-04-28 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on Android PDA phones, 
iPads etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply 
text is impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherence to this.

Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.

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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

2010-10-26 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones, iPads 
etc. Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply text
is impracticable on these devices and costs us a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherence to this.

Please also delete all footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.

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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft List

2010-08-10 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones. (I'm
using the Motorola Droid and a new iPad to read email while away from my 
office PC ..)

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really 
appreciate your adherance to this.

Please also delete all footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall email size.

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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft llist

2010-07-03 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones. (I'm
using the Motorola Droid..)

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here.

Please also delete all footers and as much of the prior email text as 
possible when replying to cut down on overall volume.

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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft llist

2010-02-17 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones. (I'm
using the new Motorola Droid..)

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially when 
you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here.

Please also delete all footers and as much of the prior email text as possible 
when replying to cut down on overall volume.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft list

2009-12-05 Thread David Woolley (E.L) 
In that case, could I suggest you remove the requirement to trim replies 
from your posting guidelines, as, in my experience, top posters will 
never trim replies.  It is the process of doing a proper interleaved 
reply that leads to trimming.  The real problem in the example that 
triggered this thread was over-quoting and failing to interleave point 
by point - pure bottom posting is also bad, although posting at the 
bottom because everything else after the post has bee trimmed out, is 
good.  (Note that I read the digest on Thunderbird, and the lack of 
trimming is very annoying, as I have to page through the back thread, as 
well as the general increase in bandwidth and mail folder disk space.)

Are there really no PDA email clients that follow the ancient technique 
of hiding lines beginning in ">"?

Bad practice, like not trimming replies, quoting after ones own 
signature separator, and, in particular, not trimming signatures, 
follows.  I.E. this is formatted according to de facto top posting rules.

-- 
David Woolley
"we do not overly restrict the subject matter on the list, and we
encourage postings on a wide range of amateur radio related topics"
List Guidelines 

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> [re-post with more accurate subject line]

> 
> Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
> important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones. (I'm
> using the new Motorola Droid..)
> 
> Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially 
> when you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here.
> 
> 73, Eric   WA6HHQ
> elecraft List Moderator
> 
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[Elecraft] Top Posting is the official standard for the Elecraft list

2009-12-02 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
[re-post with more accurate subject line]

Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on PDA phones. (I'm
using the new Motorola Droid..)

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially when 
you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-04 Thread Thom R LaCosta 

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Don Brown wrote:


Hi

If you have cats it must roll from the back or it will be all on the floor


Having it run to another core in the horizontal plane allows the addition of a 
small electric motor to act as a generator, which then could mean a whole new 
contest CDTPG.


The CDTPG awards will be based on the longest amount of QSO time divided by 
output power of the rig, then divided by the number of charge cylinders used 
during the contest.


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[Elecraft] Top Posting OK

2005-10-04 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 

I'll add this to the Elecraft list guidelines: Top posting is -OK- on this list.

Like many of you, I also find that reading list postings is -much- faster if the 
reply is posted above the copied text.  It is much faster to scan messages this 
way, avoiding scrolling down each one for the new text. (Of course if the amount 
of copied text is reduced to 1-2 sentences it really doesn't matter where the 
reply is, since it will be visible on the first screen :-)


Top posting also makes it much easier to read the list in digest mode, where all 
of the daily messages are sent as a single email.


One variance that is also good practice:  When answering a lot of questions in a 
prior email, intersperse your replies after each question.


Let's not beat this one to death... I rears it's head at least once yearly with 
many, many, opinions on both sides of the issue posted ;-)


73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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W3FPR - Don Wilhelm wrote:


There are many messages here on the reflector each day, and in total I
likely review over 100 messages a day from various sources.  While I try to
look at each message and prepare an intelligent response, I am unable to
take the time to scroll down, find the proper tic-marks indicating the
previous message, and trying to sort out in-line comments and other such
points of 'proper netiquite' is particularly irritating to me.


-Original Message-



message you reply to is important, it is also very important NOT
to reply _atop_ the original message but _below_ it.
It's much easier to read the message when proper quiting was used,
even if one didn't follow the thread closely.

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Re: [Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-04 Thread Don Brown 
Hi

If you have cats it must roll from the back or it will be all on the floor

Don Brown
KD5NDB




- Original Message - 
From: "Paul T. Rubin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Elecraft Reflector'" 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Top Posting


> 
> >OK guys and gals, this is getting very close to the neverending 
> discussion of which way the toilet paper should roll.  
> 
> 
> It rolls clockwise in the northern hemisphere.
> 
> (Sorry folks, I just couldn't resist.)
> 
> Paul N8NOV
> Houston (Northern Hemisphere)
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-03 Thread Ian Stirling 
On Tuesday 04 October 2005 04:11, W3FPR - Don Wilhelm wrote:
 
> You should 'standardize' the line length before you try side-posting.  The
> following message is very confusing.

  The problem is that 'word processor' techniques
are prevalent in email these days, even if the
email is plain text.   People just type and let
their local line wrap make it seem as if it's
formatted.
  The worst comes when someone with a line wrap
in their sending software wraps a quote that was
properly formatted by the original sender.
   There's nothing to do about advancing lowering
of standards and etiquette - it's just entropy.

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 4962
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RE: [Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-03 Thread Paul T. Rubin 

>OK guys and gals, this is getting very close to the neverending 
discussion of which way the toilet paper should roll.  


It rolls clockwise in the northern hemisphere.

(Sorry folks, I just couldn't resist.)

Paul N8NOV
Houston (Northern Hemisphere)


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Re: [Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-03 Thread Fred Jensen 
OK guys and gals, this is getting very close to the neverending 
discussion of which way the toilet paper should roll.  The PS030805 post 
is ingenious and creative, except it didn't format well for me, as you 
can see below, which I've truncated for bandwidth (and sanity) 
preservation.  It may format even worse the second time around.  Since 
I'm sure it was tongue-in-cheek, I don't think Paul will mind.


ps030805 wrote:


Perhaps we could compromise   > A very good point!
Not only
and _side_ post, but only on  > removing the
unneccessary parts
the _left_side_. It's actually> of a message you
reply to is
quite fun, and you can read the   > important, it is
also very
original message with your right  > important NOT to
reply _atop_
eye, while simultaneously reading > the original message
but _below_



Fred K6DGW
Auburn CA CM98lw

Thanks to all for the contacts in the CQP.  I was at N6A in Alpine 
County on CW.  Almost got blown off the mountain, but we did manage 
1,152 unaudited QSO's.

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RE: [Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-03 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm 
ps030805 (aka noname, nocall),

You should 'standardize' the line length before you try side-posting.  The
following message is very confusing.

The key to top posting is to reply in complete, logical sentences - anything
else produces garbage.  For those who are not willing to construct responses
in complete sentences, I am not willing and able to to decipher
foreshortened comments (I find most of the bottom or in-line comments are
really just  trivial stuff anyway).  I ask how many posts have you seen with
no additional comment?  I know I have seen at least 5 in the last 3 days -
one scrolls down on a comment in an interesting thread and finds nothing has
been added - what a waste of time and bandwidth - think of those who read
this reflector in digest form.

73,
W3FPR

> -Original Message-
> Perhaps we could compromise   > A very good point!
> Not only
> and _side_ post, but only on  > removing the
> unneccessary parts
> the _left_side_. It's actually> of a message you
> reply to is
> quite fun, and you can read the   > important, it is
> also very
> original message with your right  > important NOT to
> reply _atop_
> eye, while simultaneously reading > the original message
> but _below_
> the reply with your left eye, > it. It's much easier
> to read the
> provided you have both eyes open! > message when proper
> quiting was
> 73, Paul  > used, even if one
> didn't follow
>   > the thread closely.
>
>
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[Elecraft] Top Posting

2005-10-03 Thread ps030805 
Perhaps we could compromise   > A very good point!
Not only
and _side_ post, but only on  > removing the
unneccessary parts
the _left_side_. It's actually> of a message you
reply to is
quite fun, and you can read the   > important, it is
also very
original message with your right  > important NOT to
reply _atop_
eye, while simultaneously reading > the original message
but _below_
the reply with your left eye, > it. It's much easier
to read the
provided you have both eyes open! > message when proper
quiting was
73, Paul  > used, even if one
didn't follow
  > the thread closely.

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[Elecraft] Top posting officially OK here [End of Thread]

2005-02-07 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 

Folks,

Top posting is officially OK here. It is by far the fastest way (with 
fewest scrolling key-strokes) for me to read the high volume of emails I 
receive daily from the Elecraft list. Bottom posting is a killer for me. 
(I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird email..)


Please, lets kill this thread for now. Address any further comments on 
this topic to the list owner (me :-)


73, Eric WA6HHQ
Elecraft

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