RE: [Elecraft] K2 Control software
Tom, The best that you can do for making specific software (firmware) functions of your own making is to create the entire K2 control firmware on your own and burn it into the appropriate chips. Elecraft keeps the firmware proprietary, and there are a number of valid reasons behind that - an edge on the competition is one good reason, the hardware would be easy for a competitor to duplicate. Another of the reasons is control - the firmware must be handle the hardware in a manner consistent with the K2 specifications - if anyone and everyone could monkey around with those control mechanisms, Elecraft probably could not offer any kind of warranty because the basic control mechanism would not necessarily be present. Another of the proprietary items is the single wire serial control between devices - the AUXBUS. Its signalling protocol is not publically available, so once you begin to create your own firmware, you must create it for all options of interest to allow the options to talk to the microprocessor. Not a trivial task. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- The K2 is a very nice design, using modular and flexible hardware (relays for everything, under microprocessor control). Has anyone done anything to radically change the control software in their K2? Can we get access to the software that runs the controller and menues, so if we wanted different menu/switch functionality, it could be changed? Seems like it would not be that hard to really personalize this rig - something you could never do with anything else I have seen on the market. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 5:52 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 Control software
Gary, What a shame. I think you are missing an opportunity, but I certainly understand your decision, and it IS your intellectual property. I think the chance that someone would clone the hardware design is small, and if they wanted to, that could be done now, and I'm sure software could be written to control it. If you released some software under something like the GPL used by the open source software community, nobody else could do anything that they did not have to disclose. Thanks for a great product. I'm still building mine, but already thinking about what interesting things I can do with it, other than the obvious. 73, Tom KG3V Quoting Gary Hvizdak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 8, 2007 Tom wrote ... Can we get access to the software that runs the controller and menus, so if we wanted different menu/switch functionality, it could be changed? --- - - - --- Hi Tom, The K2 firmware is proprietary and is so carefully protected that not even the object code is disclosed. Yes, having access to the object code would make it possible for users to upgrade their firmware electronically, rather than having to purchase replacement MCUs. However, it would also make it very easy to clone the K2, thereby stealing the design plans for the K2's hardware and software, which are Elecraft's intellectual property. 73, Gary KI4GGX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 Control software
Probably the very last thing Elecraft would want to do, is to release the source for their firmware in the K2. I suspect there is like 999lbs of code in a 1000lb container! If you know what I mean. Often firmware is written even with real-time timed loops, and all sorts of interrupt tricks - to make it work correctly. If Elecraft were to ever do that - they'd end up with service requests like; ...I just changed 10 bytes of firmware, and now the K2 locks up, every time I power on!? At one point in my distant career - I was responsible for the support and maintenance of Kodak's office copier 8080a firmware. Then we had 9.99 bytes of code, in a 10.00 container! Even changing a few bytes of structured-assembler code - often caused great havoc in the copier's operation. Unfortunately too - the firmware was minimally documented, except for a few experts brains. Scarey business. But probably more structured than it was in the 90's. Perhaps the K2 is not so real-time sensitive. But who knows. The designer(s) does! Maybe in the K3, they will let us get into it! Good Luck, Fred N3CSY Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 control software
Of course I do not want to write a VFO linearizer. If a Company releases code to the community, they only release what might be remotely useful. For instance they could essentially have an interface that would give you hooks to change menus, but not change the VFO linearization. That also assures that nobody could simply clone the hardware and have taken all of the intellectual property away. The cloners probably couldn't write their own linearizer without a major investment. Tom Quoting Gregg R. Lengling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You have to remember that there is quite a bit in that firmware. All the calibration and linearization routines are in there. Do you really want to sit down and write code to try and set up VFO linearity, or code to properly address the xtal filters. This is a daunting task and I would never release the code to something like this that must have taken hours and hours to make work properly. Especially seeing as the limited memory space available. This is not a Microsoft project where a 10k program is written with 500mb's of code and uses 150mb of memory to run. Gregg Lengling, W9DHI http://forums.ham-radio.ch http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software
Ham Radio Deluxe (http://hrd.ham-radio.ch/). David, k3tue . --- Phil Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we all know, the stock K2 provides 10 memory channels. Here, five of them get used for the five 60-meter channels, leaving me only five for other net frequencies, etc. Is anyone aware of a PC-based K2 Remote Control program that would have the capability for a (much) larger number of memory channels? The remote programs for the software-controlled receivers that I use for monitoring all have that so it can be done. I have tried K2 Remote, K24U, and Ham Radio Deluxe but none of them appear to have this capability. Anyone? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software
Phil, Try the 'Favorites' toolbar tab in HRD - it can store a lot of frequencies. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- As we all know, the stock K2 provides 10 memory channels. Here, five of them get used for the five 60-meter channels, leaving me only five for other net frequencies, etc. Is anyone aware of a PC-based K2 Remote Control program that would have the capability for a (much) larger number of memory channels? The remote programs for the software-controlled receivers that I use for monitoring all have that so it can be done. I have tried K2 Remote, K24U, and Ham Radio Deluxe but none of them appear to have this capability. Anyone? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software
Phil, DXLab Commander is great! www.dxlabsuite.com 73, Bill Allen WA5PB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Kane Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:07 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software As we all know, the stock K2 provides 10 memory channels. Here, five of them get used for the five 60-meter channels, leaving me only five for other net frequencies, etc. Is anyone aware of a PC-based K2 Remote Control program that would have the capability for a (much) larger number of memory channels? The remote programs for the software-controlled receivers that I use for monitoring all have that so it can be done. I have tried K2 Remote, K24U, and Ham Radio Deluxe but none of them appear to have this capability. Anyone? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:21:30 -0700 (PDT), David Toepfer wrote: Is anyone aware of a PC-based K2 Remote Control program that would have the capability for a (much) larger number of memory channels? The remote programs for the software-controlled receivers that I use for monitoring all have that so it can be done. Ham Radio Deluxe (http://hrd.ham-radio.ch/). I don't know how I overlooked that feature in HRD, but after your reply, there it was, staring me in the face!! Many Thanks, David. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K2 Control Software
Hyperterminal and Notepad can do thatg. Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456 (After spending 3 solid days with my head deep in iptables and policy routing for a new T1 here, it's nice to have something pop up in Windoze). snip capability for a (much) larger number of memory channels? /snip ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 control software
http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm There are links there to several programs that control the K2. Tim Raymer 73 de KA0OUV At 11:15 07/07/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried the N4PY windows s/w and like it. But that's the only one tried so far. Are there others worth considering? Something more designed for the K2 rather than the Pegasus as the case with N4PY. Keyboard cw is a requirement. Thanks, Bill K3UJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Timothy A. Raymer Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services traymer[at]mail.state.mo.usRaymeT[at]dhss.mo.gov KA0OUV[at]arrl.net ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
