Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Hi All: One last thing about the new Icom, if you want a 50 lb rig that runs on 85-250 volts...Not a bad purchase. But I would be stuck with the 60 lb generator and lots of gas on field day not just a battery. 73's Bob Paull KK6UE K3 681 --- On Mon, 8/25/08, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? To: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:16 PM Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand many do not have any of this in the shack. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html Brett Howard wrote: But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I prefer it On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
oops, sorry about that I was looking at the 7700...I guess they have not posted it yet...thanks all for the heads up...as he crawls back into his cave only to resurface later when the lights are down. Thanks Bob Paull KK6UE k3 681 --- On Tue, 8/26/08, S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 7:05 AM Ummm.Bob? You may want to take another look at the specs on the IC-7600, and revise your statement. 73, Steve NN4X On 8/26/08, Robert Paull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All: One last thing about the new Icom, if you want a 50 lb rig that runs on 85-250 volts...Not a bad purchase. But I would be stuck with the 60 lb generator and lots of gas on field day not just a battery. 73's Bob Paull KK6UE K3 681 --- On Mon, 8/25/08, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? To: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:16 PM Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand many do not have any of this in the shack. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html Brett Howard wrote: But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I prefer it On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directory http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Of course it is competition, in the popularity stakes if not in performance. It may not have as good a receiver performance as the K3 but it looks very good, the receiver is very probably quite good enough for many people and it has a few popular features which are not yet available in the K3 - e.g. the built in spectrum scope, a USB port, more than one antenna output, control for an external ATU. Not everyone feels they need the best possible receiver performance, other issues come into the equation. If the price is good, I expect is will sell well, just like the 756 Pro III it replaces. This does not matter as Elecraft and ICOM are adressing very different markets. It is great to see the major companies producing new radios with higher performance and improved features, it would be awful if this development stopped, so we must not discourage them. Mike DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p781259.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q - -- Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and didn't. USB ports for rig control. I've always considered a Serial to USB adapter as a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used and the quality of the driver. Elecraft should have used USB ports. You can't buy a desktop motherboard by any respected manufacturer that includes a serial port. The LGA 775 board I'm looking at for an upgrade has zero serial ports but 8 on the mobo backplane and you can add four more to the front or back of the case with cables and unused motherboard USB headers. It might be a trivial redesign of the KIO3 but I'm sure it's down the list if at all. R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsqSO11jxjloa2wsRAhlYAKCJuH3yC61SWoDVuOa7CN5UW/t9mgCePddV mj7zMmXYzAXQJxI0YUNlDhM= =FR1Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
If your PC has a open PCI slot there are high speed serial cards still available. Think I paid $26 for the last one I purchased. 73 Matt W5LL On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:24 -0500, R. Kevin Stover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q - -- Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and didn't. USB ports for rig control. I've always considered a Serial to USB adapter as a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used and the quality of the driver. Elecraft should have used USB ports. You can't buy a desktop motherboard by any respected manufacturer that includes a serial port. The LGA 775 board I'm looking at for an upgrade has zero serial ports but 8 on the mobo backplane and you can add four more to the front or back of the case with cables and unused motherboard USB headers. It might be a trivial redesign of the KIO3 but I'm sure it's down the list if at all. R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsqSO11jxjloa2wsRAhlYAKCJuH3yC61SWoDVuOa7CN5UW/t9mgCePddV mj7zMmXYzAXQJxI0YUNlDhM= =FR1Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
I couldn't agree more! This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less 2M. So what? It may be nice for the casual operator not concerned with DXing or contesting and cannot afford their 7700. I don't know first hand, but I understand the scopes on this and the 7700 are not real time. I just don't see the usefullness if it's not. Competition for the K3? I think not. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Aug 25 4:38 , DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL sent: http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom 7700? yes
Of course it is competition ( IC 7700 ), as some will buy it rather than the K3. It is however an apples and oranges comparison... The 7700 has dual watch which is just like the 756PIII, much better than no second receiverbut far far from a full second receiver( it can't split the main dual watch audio, just vary the audio level between the two) still need the 7800 for 2 receivers. The Pro3 is a great piece of product extremely well executed. The Pro3 scope I prefer to the scope on the 7800.maybe the 7700 is different. I use a scope on the K3 now LP-PAN /or SDR-IQ works great. As far a performance parameters...you can read, bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
R. Kevin Stover wrote: I've always considered a Serial to USB adapter as a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used and the quality of the driver. Elecraft should have used USB ports. I don't agree. By using a standard RS-232 port Elecraft has provided greater flexibility. If they had provided a USB port then everyone is stuck with it. A serial port can be interfaced to USB using a readily available and inexpensive adapter, or, as has been pointed out, by installing a PCI serial card in an expansion slot. A USB device can only be interfaced to a PC that has a USB port and drivers for that particular device. Of course, Icom will ensure that the drivers are available today to connect the thing to Windows. But drivers may not be available for other platforms (as was the case with the RigExpert interface I sold because I could not use it under Linux) and they may not be available at all in 25 years time by any OS which is not an unreasonable time for someone to still be using a radio (even if not the original owner.) Whereas you can be pretty damn sure that RS-232 ports will still be around, and there will be adapters to interface them to whatever type of peripheral connector is popular at that time. I have grown resigned to the idea of throwing away perfectly serviceable computer peripherals only a few years old because drivers are no longer available but that is not something I want to do with a $4000 radio. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p781856.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
If the price is in the $2000 range then it is competition for the K3. Will it out perform a K3? Probably not, but for a lot of buyers getting a full featured, well advertised rig from Ikensu just feels a lot safer than getting something from a smaller company. True performance only matters to those who care about it and even then only under tough conditions. I think many hams are perfectly happy with an average rig with a lot of visual appeal. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:38 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:24 -0500, R. Kevin Stover wrote: - -- Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and didn't. USB ports for rig control. I strongly disagree. I have a collection of devices that have USB ports but are now effectively unusable because manufacturers no longer keep the drivers current with the latest operating systems. Some of these devices represent considerable investment at the time. With the K3 I can use just about any USB to serial converter to 'solve' the problem and if in a few years support for that particular USB/serial converter is dropped then for a few bucks I can get another one. The K3 works just fine with the 3 Euro one I found on ebay. I can choose to use a usb - serial converter already supported by Linux rather than waiting (perhaps for ever..) for the manufacturer to release USB specs so that open source drivers can be written. Serial ports are still quite common on desktop class machines and remain ubiquitous on both server class and embedded class hardware. Serial ports remain the primary 'console' interface for network infrastructure such as managed routers. For rig control to remain compatible with existing software (something that elecraft have done very well by the way) then any USB interface is going to have to emulate a normal serial port. On the K3 Internal USB would gain us nothing and create additional support issues for elecraft to deal with. External usb to serial adapters are both easily available and cheap 73 Brendan EI6IZ -- Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Darwin, Keith wrote: If the price is in the $2000 range . . . With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be anywhere near $2000 (or $3000). 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p781927.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Rumor is that the 7600 is targeted to replace the Pro3 next year. If that is the target market as indicated by the feature set, I would exact a list price $4000 - $4500. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:31 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? Darwin, Keith wrote: If the price is in the $2000 range . . . With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be anywhere near $2000 (or $3000). 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p781927.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
I have been told it will be in the $4000 range. Jim K4JAF - Original Message - From: Barry N1EU [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? Darwin, Keith wrote: If the price is in the $2000 range . . . With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be anywhere near $2000 (or $3000). 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p781927.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? [OT]
The jungle drums say it's a brand new radio, nothing from previous radios (except IC-7800 / IC-7700) being used. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Greg - AB7R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? I couldn't agree more! This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less 2M. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Looking at the back of the IC-7600 I see that the standard CI-V connector is still in place. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have grown resigned to the idea of throwing away perfectly serviceable computer peripherals only a few years old because drivers are no longer available but that is not something I want to do with a $4000 radio. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? [OT]
That's good to hear if the jungle drums are correct. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Aug 25 10:09 , Simon (HB9DRV) sent: The jungle drums say it's a brand new radio, nothing from previous radios (except IC-7800 / IC-7700) being used. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Greg - AB7R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? I couldn't agree more! This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less 2M. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
The 7600 looks absolutely fine. Now, back to my K3. 73 Arie PA3A ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
If you notice, the USB port is fixed there. The whole communications interface area of the K3 can be update, modified, and changed as the rig and firmware grows. Elecraft chose the RS232, as a port that so many folks have used in the past. If you listen to hams (like on this list) think about how many are resistant to change. If they had come out with USB and no serial there would have been a cry from the masses of DOS/Win95/OS2/WinME/Win98 users that they could not use their serial ports. Don't get me wrong, I find USB/Serial adapters annoying, but mine has worked great. I get the Belkin ones that Staples sells, and everything has worked fine for me. I would rather have a USB interface, and possibly an Ethernet interface. But I am very happy to know that I have a rig that is getting firmware updates, and the hardware was developed in such a way, that it has the ability to grow and change, as the technology does. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html Matt Patterson wrote: If your PC has a open PCI slot there are high speed serial cards still available. Think I paid $26 for the last one I purchased. 73 Matt W5LL On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:24 -0500, R. Kevin Stover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q - -- Me neither but they did do something Elecraft had the chance to do and didn't. USB ports for rig control. I've always considered a Serial to USB adapter as a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Whether it works or not depends entirely on the chip set used and the quality of the driver. Elecraft should have used USB ports. You can't buy a desktop motherboard by any respected manufacturer that includes a serial port. The LGA 775 board I'm looking at for an upgrade has zero serial ports but 8 on the mobo backplane and you can add four more to the front or back of the case with cables and unused motherboard USB headers. It might be a trivial redesign of the KIO3 but I'm sure it's down the list if at all. R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsqSO11jxjloa2wsRAhlYAKCJuH3yC61SWoDVuOa7CN5UW/t9mgCePddV mj7zMmXYzAXQJxI0YUNlDhM= =FR1Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV David Wilburn wrote: I would rather have a USB interface, and possibly an Ethernet interface. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
It's really nice to see that Elecraft is clearly driving the market. Great work Eric and Wayne and your outstanding staff! 73, Doug W6JD I have been told it will be in the $4000 range. Jim K4JAF - Original Message - From: Barry N1EU To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? Darwin, Keith wrote: If the price is in the $2000 range . . . With the IC-7700 at $7000, I hardly think the IC-7600 will be anywhere near $2000 (or $3000). 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p781927.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
HI Greg and all, Just to clarify at bit, I wouldn't compare the 7600 as a IC-746 less 2m. The 746 series rigs never had a real time bandscope, but the IC-756 Pro 3 and the 7700 are about as real as it gets. If I was going to compare the 7600, I would compare it to an enhanced Pro 3 or a 100 watt 7700. However that's just my take on it. The larger displays also serve as nice platforms for plain English menus (I've always wonder what they do in other countries?) and make nicer displays for PSK and RTTY if you are not using a computer. I love great radios, but I would rather I have great antennas (I don't) and be a great op (sorry to say I am not!). Now time to fire up the K3 and make some contacts anyway. :-) 73 de jay/w5jay.. I couldn't agree more! This is an IC-746 with a few new features and less 2M. So what? It may be nice for the casual operator not concerned with DXing or contesting and cannot afford their 7700. I don't know first hand, but I understand the scopes on this and the 7700 are not real time. I just don't see the usefullness if it's not. Competition for the K3? I think not. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Aug 25 4:38 , DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL sent: http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7600/main.html not in my opinion! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I prefer it On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand many do not have any of this in the shack. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html Brett Howard wrote: But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I prefer it On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
The thing is that if you put them in the rig when you head up to a hilltop to get away from it all... Well you just brought it all with you. :) On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:16 PM, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand many do not have any of this in the shack. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
