Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Don, Did you buy the requisite monster cable and gold connectors? If not try it again. Your Vanderstien speakers will sound better and you won't be wasting those precious audio watts with skinny speaker wire. Note to all: Please don't email me pro or con in re monster cable and gold connectors. I already know the only reason Radio Shack stays in business is by selling the stuff to audiofool's. Don Wilhelm wrote: Warning - tongue is firmly planted in my cheek! If you want really, really good audio from the K3, go to your audiophile emporium and get a pair of Vanderstien speakers (or other comparable high fidelity speakers) and an audio amplifier suitable for driving them. Connect the amplifier input to the K3 output - of course, there may be some impedance/drive level interfacing to be done, but the K3 will really sound full range on those speakers. Yes, I know those speakers are floor standing, and are pricy and heavy as well as being low efficiency, but if you really want to hear the true sound of the K3, that is the way to go. The sound of those computer speakers will pale in comparison. Yes, I tried it once just to see how it would sound, but that is not my normal hamshack setup - compromises must be made, each to his own. My Vandesteins are back in the home theater system where they belong - but do try it if you want to convince yourself how good the K3 (or any radio) can sound. 73, Don W3FPR -- R. Kevin Stover, AC0H K2/100 #4684 ARRL SKCC #215 FISTS #11993 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Kevin, Not Monster Cable, but a good large conductor flexible speaker cable just the same. As much as those cables are over-hyped, there is still a need to carry a large current for the power levels that some of the low frequency notes can produce - yes, the Vandersteins will go down to 20 Hz with good response and little coloration. I did listening tests before purchasing and satisfied my ears rather than listening to sales and advertizing hype. Before the listening tests (many years ago), I could not conceive that a turntable base (all were good heavy solid construction) itself could make a great difference, I thought it would be mostly the tone arm and cartridge, but listening tests proved that to be false. I don't buy audio from Radio Shack here - I have a good audio/home theater shop in the area, and have been dealing with them since they started over 20 years ago. 73, Don W3FPR Kevin wrote: Don, Did you buy the requisite monster cable and gold connectors? If not try it again. Your Vanderstien speakers will sound better and you won't be wasting those precious audio watts with skinny speaker wire. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
I did the same as Don, but with CD players and power amps. I figured they were all the same and the high priced stuff was just over priced. Then I did something dangerous. I actually listened to good gear and compared it head to head with the great gear. I found out in a hurry that I was dead wrong. There really is a difference, a difference you can hear. I don't know if Monster Cable is hype or not, but I'm sure not going to write it off or embrace it without an A/B listening test. I've done the same with ham gear. Many say the TS-830s is a great sounding rig. I had one, tried it, compared it to the K2 and promptly sold the 830s. People talk about how great the TenTec stuff sounds. I've had it (Corsair, Omni C, V, Century 22, 21, Argo), used it, loved it. Then I foolishly compared it (Omni V) to the 830s. Boy was that Omni harsh sounding. Omni went bye-bye, 830 took the main position on the desk. Then came the K2 ... Then the K3. - Keith N1AS - - SKCC K3 711 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Before the listening tests (many years ago), I could not conceive that a turntable base (all were good heavy solid construction) itself could make a great difference, I thought it would be mostly the tone arm and cartridge, but listening tests proved that to be false. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Tongue out of cheek... Having been the owner of several fine Vandersteen (note correct spelling for those doing Google searches) speaker systems, I can recommend Don's suggestion. However, depending on your HF radio, be prepared for some strange sounds. High-end audio equipment will reveal a lot of warts in your source material (this time your rig). And, the better your home audio system (interconnect and speaker cables included), the more warts you wil l hear. You may find that listening to CW and SSB sounds better on those $5.00 speakers. Now, with my tongue in cheek...better yet, take the rig into your home theater room and plug it into the system. Now, if we could only get Elecraft t o add a video output of the Front Panel Display, you could watch everything in high definition splendor! Better yet, how about the whole front panel as a video display - as you adjust controls, they would move on the TV screen, the appropriate LED would light up as you changed functions... Wow! Time for some kool-aid. 73, Henry - K4TMC K3/100 #98 ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Keith N1AS wrote: I did the same as Don, but with CD players and power amps. I figured they were all the same and the high priced stuff was just over priced. Then I did something dangerous. I actually listened to good gear and compared it head to head with the great gear. I found out in a hurry that I was dead wrong. There really is a difference, a difference you can hear... I've done the same thing for decades, whether it's audio gear or Ham gear. A side-by-side A/B test is, for me, the most important point. As an avid homebrewer, one of the most important uses for a state-of-the-art rig in the shack is to do such A/B testing with my homebrew creations. But such testing is more subjective than one might think. I know those who claim that their audio gear sounds better if equipped with a certain brand of tube (they say true audiophiles don't mess with transistors) or if their mains power cord was chilled in liquid nitrogen to -330F and then thawed (it's supposed to realign the copper atoms so the current doesn't get turbulent as it flows to the equipment ;-) In short, for them such things make a difference well worth the price they pay. I have a sign over my desk that I have kept for many years. It is a play on an old phrase. My version says Believing is seeing. I have found that it is true. We see (or hear) what we believe we will see or hear. It's what us humans do. And that's why so much effort is put into making truly objective observations. That's very hard for humans to do, if we are able to do so at all. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: But such testing is more subjective than one might think. ... We see (or hear) what we believe we will see or hear. It's what us humans do. And that's why so much effort is put into making truly objective observations. That's very hard for humans to do, if we are able to do so at all. Ron AC7AC Amen. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to try to eliminate scientists' subjectivity from their observations. The only way to tell for sure if one speaker (for example) actually sounds better than another is to do a double-blind test. Neither the person running the test nor the subject knows which speaker is which until after the test is over. Unfortunately it is often not trivial to design a test that meets those conditions. Al N1AL ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
And don't be suprised that the results show that nobody can agree on a single speaker which sounds best. Since tastes (and hearing abilities) vary so much, recommendations on a good speaker system must be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto on adjustment of TX audio. You are at the mercy of the subjective individual(s) reporting back to you. I've heard so many on the air sessions where one guy is playing with his audio. The group agreed upon result would even be rejected by the landline company as bad. 73 de Brian/K3KO Alan Bloom wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: But such testing is more subjective than one might think. ... We see (or hear) what we believe we will see or hear. It's what us humans do. And that's why so much effort is put into making truly objective observations. That's very hard for humans to do, if we are able to do so at all. Ron AC7AC Amen. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to try to eliminate scientists' subjectivity from their observations. The only way to tell for sure if one speaker (for example) actually sounds better than another is to do a double-blind test. Neither the person running the test nor the subject knows which speaker is which until after the test is over. Unfortunately it is often not trivial to design a test that meets those conditions. Al N1AL ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
It's what us humans do. And that's why so much effort is put into making truly objective observations. That's very hard for humans to do, if we are able to do so at all. Ron AC7AC Amen. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to try to eliminate scientists' subjectivity from their observations. The only way to tell for sure if one speaker (for example) actually sounds better than another is to do a double-blind test. Neither the person running the test nor the subject knows which speaker is which until after the test is over. Unfortunately it is often not trivial to design a test that meets those conditions. Nearly the worse way to do any comparison is to know what it is and then compare. For example? When I compared a G5RV on 80 meters with a dipole and told people the G5RV was a G5RV, it lost nearly all the time in reports. When I said the dipole was the G5RV and the G5RV was the dipole, the actual dipole almost always lost and the antenna that was really the G5RV almost always was better. When I did the test blind they were randomly about equal, the same as a field strength reading and a model of the antenna systems showed. 73 Tom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:18, Tom W8JI wrote: Nearly the worse way to do any comparison is to know what it is and then compare. For example? When I compared a G5RV on 80 meters with a dipole and told people the G5RV was a G5RV, it lost nearly all the time in reports. When I said the dipole was the G5RV and the G5RV was the dipole, the actual dipole almost always lost and the antenna that was really the G5RV almost always was better. When I did the test blind they were randomly about equal, the same as a field strength reading and a model of the antenna systems showed. 73 Tom Many years ago when we installed the new 120-foot tower with stacked 20 meter monobanders at W1AW, we wanted to compare the new antenna with the old rhombic antenna that had been used for years for bulletins and code practice. For several weeks, after each transmission session we would send a series of long dashes on each antenna and ask people to send in reception reports comparing the two antennas. But we called the antennas A and B with a random assignment each session of which was which. By the way, the results were kind of interesting. The rhombic was as good or better than the stacked monobanders for stations on its boresight to the west - more or less centered on San Francisco as I recall. But the Yagis had a wider beam width so they were significantly better in places like Washington state and San Diego. I suspect if we had announced which antenna was A and which was B we probably would have got different results. Al N1AL ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Charles Harpole wrote: U want to hear nice ham audio? Listen to an SX-101 with the 12 inch Hallicrafters matching spkr. Listen to a Collins 75A-4 with its matching speaker. Otherwise, 3 inch tin is tin and the laws of physics still apply. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of which, I have been wondering if/when there will be a matching good external speaker available for the K3. I have always enjoyed my Kenwood SP-230, which has a headphone jack as well as a switch between two receivers. Has anybody heard anything? I may have to retain this when I replace the TS830S with my new K3. TNX and 73, Lance -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA QTH: DN27UB TEL: (406) 626-5728 URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
How about Palstar's offering? http://www.palstar.com/sp30.php Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Bert Craig wrote: How about Palstar's offering? http://www.palstar.com/sp30.php God that's ugly :) 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Looks more like an Air Freshener ::-) 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:17:33 +0100, Ian Maude wrote: Bert Craig wrote: How about Palstar's offering? http://www.palstar.com/sp30.php God that's ugly :) 73 Ian ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Run 2 of them with my K3 and they are superb. Mike WA8EBM - Original Message - From: Bert Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio? How about Palstar's offering? http://www.palstar.com/sp30.php Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
On my K3, I've been using Midland Communication speakers. These speakers are like the Motorola speakers N0SS recommends. I have two so I can use the AFX feature of the radio. I tried many speakers over the last several months. Various computer speakers in all different types of variations. I do like the communication speakers the best. I know they were designed to be mobile speakers, but they have a very full sound with them. The Midland speakrs are 4 ohm speakers and I found that the K3 seemed lot happier with 4 ohm speakers rather than 8 ohm speakers Speaker technology is complex and very interesting. You can read a lot about speakers and enclosures on the internet. The science is interesting and very understandable from a non-engineering perspective. Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I have a Sounds Sweet, it's bigger and uglier. :) 73 Tony W7GO Ian Maude wrote: Bert Craig wrote: How about Palstar's offering? http://www.palstar.com/sp30.php God that's ugly :) 73 Ian ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Hi Hi, and I chose not to suggest the Sounds Sweet speaker due to its aesthetics. I thought the SP 30 better matched the Elecraft look. I do love my Sounds Sweet audio for SSB though. - Original Message - From: Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio? Bert Craig wrote: How about Palstar's offering? http://www.palstar.com/sp30.php God that's ugly :) 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Charles and All, Any audio buff will tell you that you can substantially enhance a radio by putting a better speaker on it! That holds true with the K3 as well. I use a Sounds Sweet external speaker at home, and it does wonders for the audio out, just like it does on every other radio I own! Actually I don't think the audio is all that bad with the K3's internal speaker, but it's only a 3$ or $4 speaker, which you can get from Jameco (that's where Elecraft gets them I think). It certainly isn't Hi-Fi however! I guess I don't understand your point, or why you are making an apples and oranges comparison. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Koppendorfer Klaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: [Elecraft] u want nice audio? U want to hear nice ham audio? Listen to an SX-101 with the 12 inch Hallicrafters matching spkr. Listen to a Collins 75A-4 with its matching speaker. Otherwise, 3 inch tin is tin and the laws of physics still apply. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:28:21 +0100 Subject: Re: AW: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio CC: Is that really so ? If that's the case, then the design is poor.. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:32:55 +0200, Koppendorfer Klaus wrote: did you use the line out ?? The Line Output transformers of the K3, saturate at normal program levels try Headphone out on Frontplate and you will see no Harmonic´s 73 OE6KYG KX1 244 K2 1331 K3 115 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ian Maude Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. August 2008 09:27 An: elecraft Reflector Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio Bob Cunnings wrote: If you listen to Sherwood's presentation, you'd hear him state that the distortion problem he discusses occurs only when driving a low impedance (speaker) load. If driving a high Z load like, say, powered speakers, or using headphones, there is no problem. There is still a bit of a problem on receive audio. This has been there for some time and exists in the form of harmonics. The 3rd harmonic is quite easy to see and repeatable. I used HRD to show this on the waterfall after a conversation with a friend. You can clearly see the harmonic at.. http://www.gb7mbc.net/docs/K3Audiotrace.doc 73 Ian So that might explain your observations. Bob NW8L On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Geoffrey Downs wrote: Would be interesting to know the detail of what Rob Sherwood said, but I agree with you, Dave. The tx and rx audio on my K3 sounds cleaner, brighter and clearer to me than my now obsolescent FT1000MP Field even before applying any equalisation. I use either a headset or a couple of small external computer speakers. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK - Original Message - From: Dave G4AON To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio Bottom line to me is the K3's audio is fine. And no, I'm not on commission from Elecraft! 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
I have a Sounds Sweet speaker also...does a nice job although somewhat large. I think I paid wither $99 or $110 a while back after it was reviewed in QST. I see it is at $160 now..not worth that much $ though, IMHO. Tom wb2qdg k2 1103 - Original Message - From: David Yarnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Koppendorfer Klaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio? Charles and All, Any audio buff will tell you that you can substantially enhance a radio by putting a better speaker on it! That holds true with the K3 as well. I use a Sounds Sweet external speaker at home, and it does wonders for the audio out, just like it does on every other radio I own! Actually I don't think the audio is all that bad with the K3's internal speaker, but it's only a 3$ or $4 speaker, which you can get from Jameco (that's where Elecraft gets them I think). It certainly isn't Hi-Fi however! I guess I don't understand your point, or why you are making an apples and oranges comparison. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Koppendorfer Klaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: [Elecraft] u want nice audio? U want to hear nice ham audio? Listen to an SX-101 with the 12 inch Hallicrafters matching spkr. Listen to a Collins 75A-4 with its matching speaker. Otherwise, 3 inch tin is tin and the laws of physics still apply. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:28:21 +0100 Subject: Re: AW: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio CC: Is that really so ? If that's the case, then the design is poor.. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:32:55 +0200, Koppendorfer Klaus wrote: did you use the line out ?? The Line Output transformers of the K3, saturate at normal program levels try Headphone out on Frontplate and you will see no Harmonic´s 73 OE6KYG KX1 244 K2 1331 K3 115 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ian Maude Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. August 2008 09:27 An: elecraft Reflector Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio Bob Cunnings wrote: If you listen to Sherwood's presentation, you'd hear him state that the distortion problem he discusses occurs only when driving a low impedance (speaker) load. If driving a high Z load like, say, powered speakers, or using headphones, there is no problem. There is still a bit of a problem on receive audio. This has been there for some time and exists in the form of harmonics. The 3rd harmonic is quite easy to see and repeatable. I used HRD to show this on the waterfall after a conversation with a friend. You can clearly see the harmonic at.. http://www.gb7mbc.net/docs/K3Audiotrace.doc 73 Ian So that might explain your observations. Bob NW8L On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Geoffrey Downs wrote: Would be interesting to know the detail of what Rob Sherwood said, but I agree with you, Dave. The tx and rx audio on my K3 sounds cleaner, brighter and clearer to me than my now obsolescent FT1000MP Field even before applying any equalisation. I use either a headset or a couple of small external computer speakers. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK - Original Message - From: Dave G4AON To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio Bottom line to me is the K3's audio is fine. And no, I'm not on commission from Elecraft! 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
In addition to the KLH 970A at Sears (still available on-line at $29.99), Sony SS-B1000 (pair) is often available at Radio Shack or Best Buy in the same price range. Best Buy also has a pair of Insignia brand speakers that appear to be identical to the KLH 970A in the under $30 range. The small bookshelf style speakers are every bit as good as the much more expensive specialty speakers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Morris Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:30 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] u want nice audio? I found a pair of model 970A KLH speakers at Sears. They were $22.97 plus tax for the pair. Each enclosure has three speakers. These are nice sounding, good looking and are black matching the K3. These are 3 - way bookshelf black textured plastic speakers. Power: use with 5 - 40 watt equipment, Impedance: 4 -6 ohms average, response: 90 Hz to 20 Khz, sensitivity: 86 dB 1 W - 1 M, woofer: 4 w/ polypropylene cone, midrange: 2 w/ polycarobonate cone, tweeter: 5/8 mylar piezo dome, crossover: first order high - pass, terminals: quick connect, size H 7 3/8, W 4 3/4, D 4 3/8. Audio fidelity is very good considering the price. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] u want nice audio?
Tom McCulloch wrote: I have a Sounds Sweet speaker also...does a nice job although somewhat large. I think I paid wither $99 or $110 a while back after it was reviewed in QST. I see it is at $160 now..not worth that much $ though, IMHO. Can't see the point in paying all that when the K3 has a perfectly good speaker. Anyway, Real Hams Use Headphones. If I want hi-fi I'll go downstairs and listen to music on the stereo. :) - Julian, G4ILO http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directory -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Audio-tp673868p677192.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
