Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit
I will add to Jim's description of the current situation that they will also need to debug the assembly manual. Historically they have debugged that manual by honing their factory assembly process. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/18/21 at 8:01 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: On 7/18/2021 3:59 PM, William Carpenter wrote: I am curious as to if/when a K4 kit will be available. They will have to work their way through a lot of orders first, many of which are prepaid. Thanks to major disruptions both of their operation and of the supply chains --- Bill Frantz|"Web security is like medicine - trying to do good for 408-348-7900 |an evolved body of kludges" - Mark Miller www.pwpconsult.com | __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit
On 7/18/2021 3:59 PM, William Carpenter wrote: I am curious as to if/when a K4 kit will be available. They will have to work their way through a lot of orders first, many of which are prepaid. Thanks to major disruptions both of their operation and of the supply chains by COVID, it will take a while to do that. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit and CE
Bill, I stand corrected. I have a K4D ordered in that I use diversity. When the superhet front end comes out it will be added.I well understand Covid problems. It is rampant in the EU as well. Still plans must be in place. Production thanks to much effort is running. It is not unreasonable for a customer for many years to ask questions. One of the wonders of Elecraft is that they engage with their customers.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Nr4c Date: 05/01/2021 22:12 (GMT+00:00) To: Doug Turnbull Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit and CE The superhet is the K4HD, not the K4D. “D” only adds a second AtoD and an antenna port. It will be available when radios ship. Sent from my iPhone...nr4c. bill> On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:> > Dear OMs and YLs,> > Someone on this forum stated that if sold in kit form that the K4 did> not need CE approval for sale in the EU. I am not sure this is true but> hope so and of course then hope that the kit is coming out sooner rather> than later. I have a deposit down for the second group of shipments and> this would mean that I might actually see the K4 sooner.> > > > Once the K4D with superhet frontend is available, the new front end> will be ordered plus a second K4D. I already have homes for my two K3> radios. Probably will also want another KPA 1500. > > > > So any word on CE approval process, whether it is required for kits> sold into the EU and the availability of the kit version of the K4 is> anxiously awaited.> > > > As and aside it would be nice if the next version of the KPA 1500> could be run efficiently at 400W. Contest power is generally 1500 Watts> in EI but normal output power is limited to 400W. An Acom 2000A also in> the shack may be the amp to use when operating under normal conditions.> Having said this, the KPA is a beautiful amp and it is for that reason a> second one is considered. > > > > Yes perhaps this is greed but at 76 there are not that many more> sunspot cycles in store for me. I started like most of you with a> surplus RGB II (forerunner of the HQ120) bought from summer job and baby> siting. The first rig was an old borrowed TCS surplus radio before> building a two 6146 rig from a QST article. What a great hobby radio is.> > > > 73 Doug EI2CN> > __> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit and CE
Hi Bill, The K4 and K4D both provide up to 5 receive antenna sources. The difference is that the K4D has an additional ADC so the sub receiver can be on a different antenna from the main receiver. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > The superhet is the K4HD, not the K4D. “D” only adds a second AtoD and an > antenna port. It will be available when radios ship. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: >> >> Dear OMs and YLs, >> >> Someone on this forum stated that if sold in kit form that the K4 did >> not need CE approval for sale in the EU. I am not sure this is true but >> hope so and of course then hope that the kit is coming out sooner rather >> than later. I have a deposit down for the second group of shipments and >> this would mean that I might actually see the K4 sooner. >> >> >> >> Once the K4D with superhet frontend is available, the new front end >> will be ordered plus a second K4D.I already have homes for my two K3 >> radios.Probably will also want another KPA 1500. >> >> >> >> So any word on CE approval process, whether it is required for kits >> sold into the EU and the availability of the kit version of the K4 is >> anxiously awaited. >> >> >> >> As and aside it would be nice if the next version of the KPA 1500 >> could be run efficiently at 400W.Contest power is generally 1500 Watts >> in EI but normal output power is limited to 400W. An Acom 2000A also in >> the shack may be the amp to use when operating under normal conditions. >> Having said this, the KPA is a beautiful amp and it is for that reason a >> second one is considered. >> >> >> >>Yes perhaps this is greed but at 76 there are not that many more >> sunspot cycles in store for me. I started like most of you with a >> surplus RGB II (forerunner of the HQ120) bought from summer job and baby >> siting.The first rig was an old borrowed TCS surplus radio before >> building a two 6146 rig from a QST article.What a great hobby radio is. >> >> >> >> 73 Doug EI2CN >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit and CE
The superhet is the K4HD, not the K4D. “D” only adds a second AtoD and an antenna port. It will be available when radios ship. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > > Dear OMs and YLs, > > Someone on this forum stated that if sold in kit form that the K4 did > not need CE approval for sale in the EU. I am not sure this is true but > hope so and of course then hope that the kit is coming out sooner rather > than later. I have a deposit down for the second group of shipments and > this would mean that I might actually see the K4 sooner. > > > > Once the K4D with superhet frontend is available, the new front end > will be ordered plus a second K4D.I already have homes for my two K3 > radios.Probably will also want another KPA 1500. > > > > So any word on CE approval process, whether it is required for kits > sold into the EU and the availability of the kit version of the K4 is > anxiously awaited. > > > > As and aside it would be nice if the next version of the KPA 1500 > could be run efficiently at 400W.Contest power is generally 1500 Watts > in EI but normal output power is limited to 400W. An Acom 2000A also in > the shack may be the amp to use when operating under normal conditions. > Having said this, the KPA is a beautiful amp and it is for that reason a > second one is considered. > > > > Yes perhaps this is greed but at 76 there are not that many more > sunspot cycles in store for me. I started like most of you with a > surplus RGB II (forerunner of the HQ120) bought from summer job and baby > siting.The first rig was an old borrowed TCS surplus radio before > building a two 6146 rig from a QST article.What a great hobby radio is. > > > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
Not in my experience. Chokes are inductors and, together with stray capacitance, can create unwanted resonances and accompanying parasitics. Resistors just bleed the charge off an otherwise nearly infinite input impedance which is the whole idea in the first place. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County **"Nearly infinite" is not a really good term mathematically, but it's short and conveys the idea On 5/18/2020 4:39 PM, W2xj wrote: Better to use a choke Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put a resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the antenna on the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't have to be precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't take long for those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input capacitance on the first RF stage. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 5/18/2020 3:08 PM, Clay Autery wrote: LOL __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put it all back together again. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w2xj.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
What a clever way to install a static drain resistor! THANK YOU! 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 5/18/20 3:46 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put a resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the antenna on the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't have to be precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't take long for those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input capacitance on the first RF stage. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 5/18/2020 3:08 PM, Clay Autery wrote: LOL __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put it all back together again. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
We have both. Wayne > On May 18, 2020, at 4:39 PM, W2xj wrote: > > Better to use a choke > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 18, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> >> I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put a >> resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the antenna on >> the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't have to be >> precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't take long for >> those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input capacitance on the >> first RF stage. >> >> 73, >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >>> On 5/18/2020 3:08 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >>> LOL >>> >>> __ >>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>> (318) 518-1389 >>> On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put it all back together again. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >>> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w...@w2xj.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
> On May 18, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > > Can you give a rough estimate of how many parts there are in a K4 compared to > a K3? About the same? More? Less? (More parts = more fun.) Hi Drew, Rather than a parts count -- an esoteric parameter I get paid to worry about -- I'll give you a qualitative breakdown. Even a basic K4 is the equivalent of: K3S + P3 + KRX3 (for dual-watch purposes) + KXV3 + KDVR3 + Linux/Intel MPU + large touch screen + external monitor adapter (like P3 SVGA, but HDMI) + more controls, more antenna jacks, more digital I/O ports, and all the DSP/ADC/DAC/FPGA hardware needed to create a modern SDR. It also has a multi-processor architecture with unlimited potential for future expansion. Of course there are economies related to it being an SDR, such as no crystal filters in the basic unit. >From this you could take an educated guess. 73, Wayne N6KR > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > On 05/18/20 11:12, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> We certainly appreciate the interest in a K4 kit. It does take longer to get >> the kit version out since many new drawings are required to accurately >> communicate details on modules, cables, and hardware to builders (as opposed >> to in-house assembly personnel). Can't really put a date on the kit version >> at this time, but it will be well after we begin shipping the K4 and K4D. >> There's an intermediate approach that many of our customers have used over >> the years: get an assembled basic radio, then install option modules >> yourself as required and as time/availability permits. Option modules will >> come with detailed assembly instructions. >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >>> On May 17, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Charlie T wrote: >>> >>> Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? >>> >>> Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit >>> version. >>> However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a >>> K2 complete with soldering stuff. >>> >>> 73, Charlie k3ICH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On >>> Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM >>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? >>> >>> On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>>> And I'm still waiting for the kit version. >>> Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. >>> >>> --... ...-- >>> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
Better to use a choke Sent from my iPad > On May 18, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put a > resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the antenna on > the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't have to be > precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't take long for > those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input capacitance on the > first RF stage. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 5/18/2020 3:08 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> LOL >> >> __ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> (318) 518-1389 >> >>> On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >>> Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on >>> your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the >>> K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned >>> component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put >>> it all back together again. >>> >>> 73, >>> Victor, 4X6GP >>> Rehovot, Israel >>> Formerly K2VCO >>> CWops no. 5 >>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w...@w2xj.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
All of our radios have bleeder resistors at the antenna jacks. 73, Wayne N6KR > On May 18, 2020, at 3:46 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put a > resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the antenna on > the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't have to be > precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't take long for > those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input capacitance on the > first RF stage. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
ICE lightning arrestors include a static drain. I think the ones now made by Morgan Mfg. and Array Solutions do too, but haven't confirmed that. Jim N7US On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:47 PM Fred Jensen wrote: > I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put > a resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the > antenna on the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't > have to be precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't > take long for those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input > capacitance on the first RF stage. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 5/18/2020 3:08 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > LOL > > > > __ > > Clay Autery, KY5G > > (318) 518-1389 > > > > On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > >> Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on > >> your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the > >> K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned > >> component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put > >> it all back together again. > >> > >> 73, > >> Victor, 4X6GP > >> Rehovot, Israel > >> Formerly K2VCO > >> CWops no. 5 > >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
I believe Elecraft equipment has static drains built in but I always put a resistor in a PL-259 plugged into one arm of a coax tee with the antenna on the other arm, on the connector on the radio. It doesn't have to be precipitating to create "precipitation static" and it won't take long for those infinitesimal little charges to fill up the input capacitance on the first RF stage. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 5/18/2020 3:08 PM, Clay Autery wrote: LOL __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put it all back together again. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
LOL __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 05/18/20 14:57, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put it all back together again. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
Wayne, Can you give a rough estimate of how many parts there are in a K4 compared to a K3? About the same? More? Less? (More parts = more fun.) 73, Drew AF2Z On 05/18/20 11:12, Wayne Burdick wrote: We certainly appreciate the interest in a K4 kit. It does take longer to get the kit version out since many new drawings are required to accurately communicate details on modules, cables, and hardware to builders (as opposed to in-house assembly personnel). Can't really put a date on the kit version at this time, but it will be well after we begin shipping the K4 and K4D. There's an intermediate approach that many of our customers have used over the years: get an assembled basic radio, then install option modules yourself as required and as time/availability permits. Option modules will come with detailed assembly instructions. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 17, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Charlie T wrote: Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit version. However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a K2 complete with soldering stuff. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: And I'm still waiting for the kit version. Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
Or you can do what I did with my K3: burn up a static drain resistor on your antenna entrance panel, decide that the smell is coming from the K4, take it completely to pieces to try to find the burned component, and then -- after discovering what actually happened -- put it all back together again. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ . On 18/05/2020 19:12, Wayne Burdick wrote: We certainly appreciate the interest in a K4 kit. It does take longer to get the kit version out since many new drawings are required to accurately communicate details on modules, cables, and hardware to builders (as opposed to in-house assembly personnel). Can't really put a date on the kit version at this time, but it will be well after we begin shipping the K4 and K4D. There's an intermediate approach that many of our customers have used over the years: get an assembled basic radio, then install option modules yourself as required and as time/availability permits. Option modules will come with detailed assembly instructions. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 17, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Charlie T wrote: Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit version. However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a K2 complete with soldering stuff. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: And I'm still waiting for the kit version. Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
> On May 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Buck wrote: > > Will the option modules be available to be shipped at the same time as a > factory built K4? Some will be, including the KAT4, KPA4, and KRX4 (the latter is what turns a K4 into a K4D). But customer-installation docs take some extra time. Our documenters are busy as beavers working on the owner's manual. (I don't mean chewing it, though a printed copy would be a good source of fiber.) Wayne N6KR > > Buck, k4ia > Honor Roll > 8BDXCC > EasyWayHamBooks.com > > On 5/18/2020 12:12 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> We certainly appreciate the interest in a K4 kit. It does take longer to get >> the kit version out since many new drawings are required to accurately >> communicate details on modules, cables, and hardware to builders (as opposed >> to in-house assembly personnel). Can't really put a date on the kit version >> at this time, but it will be well after we begin shipping the K4 and K4D. >> There's an intermediate approach that many of our customers have used over >> the years: get an assembled basic radio, then install option modules >> yourself as required and as time/availability permits. Option modules will >> come with detailed assembly instructions. >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >>> On May 17, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Charlie T wrote: >>> >>> Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? >>> >>> Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit >>> version. >>> However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a >>> K2 complete with soldering stuff. >>> >>> 73, Charlie k3ICH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On >>> Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM >>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? >>> >>> On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>>> And I'm still waiting for the kit version. >>> Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. >>> >>> --... ...-- >>> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to radiok...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
Will the option modules be available to be shipped at the same time as a factory built K4? Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 5/18/2020 12:12 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: We certainly appreciate the interest in a K4 kit. It does take longer to get the kit version out since many new drawings are required to accurately communicate details on modules, cables, and hardware to builders (as opposed to in-house assembly personnel). Can't really put a date on the kit version at this time, but it will be well after we begin shipping the K4 and K4D. There's an intermediate approach that many of our customers have used over the years: get an assembled basic radio, then install option modules yourself as required and as time/availability permits. Option modules will come with detailed assembly instructions. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 17, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Charlie T wrote: Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit version. However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a K2 complete with soldering stuff. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: And I'm still waiting for the kit version. Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to radiok...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
We certainly appreciate the interest in a K4 kit. It does take longer to get the kit version out since many new drawings are required to accurately communicate details on modules, cables, and hardware to builders (as opposed to in-house assembly personnel). Can't really put a date on the kit version at this time, but it will be well after we begin shipping the K4 and K4D. There's an intermediate approach that many of our customers have used over the years: get an assembled basic radio, then install option modules yourself as required and as time/availability permits. Option modules will come with detailed assembly instructions. 73, Wayne N6KR > On May 17, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Charlie T wrote: > > Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? > > Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit > version. > However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a > K2 complete with soldering stuff. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? > > On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> And I'm still waiting for the kit version. > Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. > > --... ...-- > SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
Yep, just more fun to "build" one eh? Actually, I'm just plain "Cheap" and hoping to save a few bucks on a kit version. However, recent Elecraft kits are more like erector sets, but I DID build a K2 complete with soldering stuff. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Steve KC6ZKT Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 4:34 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit??? On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > And I'm still waiting for the kit version. Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit???
On 5/15/20 8:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > And I'm still waiting for the kit version. Same here. I'm happy to wait for the kit version. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit
That’s a great idea. And the parts left over after I put it back together again I can keep as spares at no extra cost. Neat! Ted, KN1CBR From: "Kevin, N4TT" Date: Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:32 AM To: "Dauer, Edward" Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit You could buy the factory unit, take it apart and put it back together. You get it faster, you can confirm it works before you take it apart so you eliminate some of the anxiety when you rebuild it as a kit knowing it worked before you tore it to pieces. Or maybe not. 73, Kev N4TT On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:41 AM Dauer, Edward mailto:eda...@law.du.edu>> wrote: Here’s the vexing problem. The web site says there will be a kit version, but the availability date hasn’t been set yet. The deposit options are therefore apparently for the factory-built versions. What’s the solution for the tension between “I want one now” and “I want to build the kit”? Just go to sleep and wait? . . . to sleep, perchance to dream, aye there’s the rub . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit
You could buy the factory unit, take it apart and put it back together. You get it faster, you can confirm it works before you take it apart so you eliminate some of the anxiety when you rebuild it as a kit knowing it worked before you tore it to pieces. Or maybe not. 73, Kev N4TT On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:41 AM Dauer, Edward wrote: > Here’s the vexing problem. The web site says there will be a kit version, > but the availability date hasn’t been set yet. The deposit options are > therefore apparently for the factory-built versions. What’s the solution > for the tension between “I want one now” and “I want to build the kit”? > Just go to sleep and wait? > > . . . to sleep, perchance to dream, aye there’s the rub . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit
Ted, The kit assembly manual information will be gleaned from the experience gained from the build of the first production models. That was true for the K3 and KX3 - yes it is unlike the experience with the K2, K1 and KX1 which were not available as factory asssembled (kit only), but they held a Field Test with a number of builders which resulted in many changes to the assembly manual. That is not the same as the situation today. The kit version will available only after a substantial number of factory assembled units have shipped. My wild guess it will be 2 to 3 months later than the ship of the first factory assembled units. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/17/2019 9:41 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: Here’s the vexing problem. The web site says there will be a kit version, but the availability date hasn’t been set yet. The deposit options are therefore apparently for the factory-built versions. What’s the solution for the tension between “I want one now” and “I want to build the kit”? Just go to sleep and wait? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Kit
Edward A. Dauer wrote > Here’s the vexing problem. The web site says there will be a kit version, > but the availability date hasn’t been set yet. The deposit options are > therefore apparently for the factory-built versions. What’s the solution > for the tension between “I want one now” and “I want to build the kit”? > Just go to sleep and wait? The KPA1500 kit still isn’t available. I suspect the wait for a kit version of the K4 will be a long one. Lou, W0FK - St. Louis, MO "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
