Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Bob, You cannot tell the K3 to change it. The Signalink is a mono soundcard and only listens to the left channel - which is the connection to the tip of the jack. Even if the Signalink cable has a stereo plug, there is nothing connected to the ring. If you need to listen to the SubRX audio, you will have to use a soundcard that is stereo. If you use the internal computer soundcard, be sure to turn off Windows sounds. If you want to use the Signalink, you would have to make an adapter for the Signalink audio input so that the audio is taken from either the tip (normal) or the ring connection (SubRX) - a manual switch would be in order to select either one. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/13/2014 11:41 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: I am using the BNC connector for the Rx antenna and am receiving primarily on the internal 6m band. This is the first time I have tried it. Otherwise I have been working many bands and using JT65 with no problems I just now realised that my SignaLink soundcard in fact is NOT listening to the Sub-Rx because I shut off the mast mounted Gaasfet and although the sub-RX audio dropped way off, the JT65 program showed a steady, unchanging noise level. So how do I tell the K3 to put the audio from the Sub Rx and not the main Rx? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Bob, Before attempting to use the EMU-0404, check your application. If it cannot select between the left and right channel inputs, then you may as well continue using the Signalink and switch the channels manually as I suggested in my prior email. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/14/2014 8:06 AM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: On 5/14/2014 06:09, Joel Black wrote: Unless I am misunderstanding the question, you cannot. Not with a SignaLink. The SignaLink is a mono input sound card (unless you re-wire the plug to listen to the SubRX). I do have an EMU-0404 though. I haven't used it in two years and it's in a drawer. How would this help me? Are you saying it can split the Sub-Rx audio out of the the two? ..Currently we take the SignaLink audio out the rear line in Line out places. I do realize the Sub-Rx audio is split when listening thru the headsets. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Unless I am misunderstanding the question, you cannot. Not with a SignaLink. The SignaLink is a mono input sound card (unless you re-wire the plug to listen to the SubRX). If you listen with headphones with the sub-receiver on, you will notice that the subRX appears in the right ear while the mainRX appears in the left. You can do the same thing (and I have) with a sound card that has a stereo input. To my knowledge, there are three sound card interfaces *designed* for amateur radio: 1. Timewave Navigator (formerly by US Interface) 2. MixW RigExpert 3. MicroHam (various models) At one time or another, I have looked at all three and debated which to get. After much agonizing and gnashing of teeth, I decided to stick with what I have for a few reasons: 1. I already had it (no money out-of-pocket) 2. The offerings only give me one thing I don't currently have (front-panel Tx audio adjustment) 3. I didn't need rig control which all of the three have - it would be wasted on me 4. They're relatively expensive ($250 - 300) even without the *necessary* cable which costs ~ $50 (you *can* build this cable yourself) I use an off-the-shelf external USB sound card. It is a Creative Labs E-MU 0204 which I do not think is currently in production. You can look it up to be certain. The previous model (0202) is also a good sound card if you can find it. There are scads of internal sound cards available. The beauty of the K3 is you do not need the audio isolation transformers available in the SignaLink (or other sound card interface designed for amateur radio); they're already built in. This is not directed at you, but it is a preemptive statement to those who will say you do not *need* the SignaLink: I apologize in advance for shouting, YOU NEED A SOUND CARD THAT IS DEDICATED TO AMATEUR RADIO AND *SEPARATE* FROM YOUR MAIN SOUND. Just yesterday, on 20 m JT65, I heard someone's WinXP shutdown sound over the air. You spent a couple of thousand on the K3, please be kind enough to the rest of us to spend another $100 or so and get a nice sound card. Yes, you'll hear all day that the K3 has the ability to take audio directly from the sound card. It is a wonderful feature. I use it. I use it with an amateur radio-dedicated sound card only. I wound up with the E-MU 0204 because I had experimented with kit-built SDR a few years back (I built a SoftRock TXRX Ensemble II and a Genesis G59/GPA10). The 0202 was already out of production, but the 0204 was available. I bought it used for about $120. They're less expensive even now. You do not have to go with my recommendation though. There are lots of choices. Again, I hope I didn't misunderstand the question and just flooded you with un-needed information. 73, Joel - W4JBB On 5/13/14, 10:41 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: I am using the BNC connector for the Rx antenna and am receiving primarily on the internal 6m band. This is the first time I have tried it. Otherwise I have been working many bands and using JT65 with no problems I just now realised that my SignaLink soundcard in fact is NOT listening to the Sub-Rx because I shut off the mast mounted Gaasfet and although the sub-RX audio dropped way off, the JT65 program showed a steady, unchanging noise level. So how do I tell the K3 to put the audio from the Sub Rx and not the main Rx? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
On 5/14/2014 06:09, Joel Black wrote: Unless I am misunderstanding the question, you cannot. Not with a SignaLink. The SignaLink is a mono input sound card (unless you re-wire the plug to listen to the SubRX). I do have an EMU-0404 though. I haven't used it in two years and it's in a drawer. How would this help me? Are you saying it can split the Sub-Rx audio out of the the two? ..Currently we take the SignaLink audio out the rear line in Line out places. I do realize the Sub-Rx audio is split when listening thru the headsets. I am using the Sub-Rx because I see no other way to use a separate receive line when I am using the internal 6m band. I have an Elecraft 6m XV50 but am needing to split the Rx input on it and haven't gotten around to it. It is wired to be able to take in Rx coax and have the Tx o the other conn. ... O want Split lines to simplify using high-end preamp w/o the usual possibility to kill said pre-amp if I screw up timing. I am not going to debate the use of this method as I used it extensively in the past in the 70's to 90's . So, the gal is to find the near term solution for using internal audio form the Sub-Rx. I will re-install the EMU0404 and see how to get the audio out. thanks for the idea. -- Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM 0901 http://www.qrz.com/db/KD7YZ www.denstarfarm.us/LGD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Sub rec audio is on right channel of all K3 audio outputs ( ring +sleeve). Make an adapter for SLUSB! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill On May 14, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us wrote: On 5/14/2014 06:09, Joel Black wrote: Unless I am misunderstanding the question, you cannot. Not with a SignaLink. The SignaLink is a mono input sound card (unless you re-wire the plug to listen to the SubRX). I do have an EMU-0404 though. I haven't used it in two years and it's in a drawer. How would this help me? Are you saying it can split the Sub-Rx audio out of the the two? ..Currently we take the SignaLink audio out the rear line in Line out places. I do realize the Sub-Rx audio is split when listening thru the headsets. I am using the Sub-Rx because I see no other way to use a separate receive line when I am using the internal 6m band. I have an Elecraft 6m XV50 but am needing to split the Rx input on it and haven't gotten around to it. It is wired to be able to take in Rx coax and have the Tx o the other conn. ... O want Split lines to simplify using high-end preamp w/o the usual possibility to kill said pre-amp if I screw up timing. I am not going to debate the use of this method as I used it extensively in the past in the 70's to 90's . So, the gal is to find the near term solution for using internal audio form the Sub-Rx. I will re-install the EMU0404 and see how to get the audio out. thanks for the idea. -- Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM 0901 http://www.qrz.com/db/KD7YZ www.denstarfarm.us/LGD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
isn't this configurable using the CONFIG L -- MIX-- Rsettings? On 5/14/2014 8:23 AM, Nr4c wrote: Sub rec audio is on right channel of all K3 audio outputs ( ring +sleeve). Make an adapter for SLUSB! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Not on the Line Out unless one sets Line Out= Phones and then the AF gain controls the line out level. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/14/2014 9:55 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: isn't this configurable using the CONFIG L -- MIX-- Rsettings? On 5/14/2014 8:23 AM, Nr4c wrote: Sub rec audio is on right channel of all K3 audio outputs ( ring +sleeve). Make an adapter for SLUSB! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Well, they do say opinions are like... Shout all you want, but it is not imperative that you have a separate sound card. The computer's integrated sound card can be dedicated to ham radio. Keeping Windows sounds from playing through the radio is no different from not transmitting outside the band. It's something that is supposed to be in our skill set. I have both a SignaLink and a Tascam US-100 (highly recommended by Jim Brown). On RTTY, neither of these is either better, or worse, than the built-in card in my laptop, and both require a USB port, something in short supply. It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. Wes N7WS On 5/14/2014 3:09 AM, Joel Black wrote: [snip] This is not directed at you, but it is a preemptive statement to those who will say you do not *need* the SignaLink: I apologize in advance for shouting, YOU NEED A SOUND CARD THAT IS DEDICATED TO AMATEUR RADIO AND *SEPARATE* FROM YOUR MAIN SOUND. Just yesterday, on 20 m JT65, I heard someone's WinXP shutdown sound over the air. You spent a couple of thousand on the K3, please be kind enough to the rest of us to spend another $100 or so and get a nice sound card. Yes, you'll hear all day that the K3 has the ability to take audio directly from the sound card. It is a wonderful feature. I use it. I use it with an amateur radio-dedicated sound card only. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. That's unfair and untrue ... there is a distinct disadvantage to building every option under the sun into a transceiver. The biggest is that all users pay more for the transceiver *and* the built-in options (compare the panadapter in an FT-1200 to the P3 or SDR-IQ) are far inferior to the best of breed that can often be had for little more than the amortized cost of the built-in feature. If one took your prescription, the K3 would only be available in one configuration - with all options built-in at double the price of the base unit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/14/2014 12:42 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Well, they do say opinions are like... Shout all you want, but it is not imperative that you have a separate sound card. The computer's integrated sound card can be dedicated to ham radio. Keeping Windows sounds from playing through the radio is no different from not transmitting outside the band. It's something that is supposed to be in our skill set. I have both a SignaLink and a Tascam US-100 (highly recommended by Jim Brown). On RTTY, neither of these is either better, or worse, than the built-in card in my laptop, and both require a USB port, something in short supply. It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. Wes N7WS On 5/14/2014 3:09 AM, Joel Black wrote: [snip] This is not directed at you, but it is a preemptive statement to those who will say you do not *need* the SignaLink: I apologize in advance for shouting, YOU NEED A SOUND CARD THAT IS DEDICATED TO AMATEUR RADIO AND *SEPARATE* FROM YOUR MAIN SOUND. Just yesterday, on 20 m JT65, I heard someone's WinXP shutdown sound over the air. You spent a couple of thousand on the K3, please be kind enough to the rest of us to spend another $100 or so and get a nice sound card. Yes, you'll hear all day that the K3 has the ability to take audio directly from the sound card. It is a wonderful feature. I use it. I use it with an amateur radio-dedicated sound card only. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Well now, *that* is untrue. If you think that is my prescription then so be it, but that's not what I said. Nothing precludes additional features from being options, which aren't necessary for modes one is not interested in. That said, I don't think that a transceiver that is supposed to be state-of-the-art should have to have an extra cost (and bulky) dongle hanging off the back just to have acceptable receiver performance on ten and six meters, just for example. On 5/14/2014 11:41 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. That's unfair and untrue ... there is a distinct disadvantage to building every option under the sun into a transceiver. The biggest is that all users pay more for the transceiver *and* the built-in options (compare the panadapter in an FT-1200 to the P3 or SDR-IQ) are far inferior to the best of breed that can often be had for little more than the amortized cost of the built-in feature. If one took your prescription, the K3 would only be available in one configuration - with all options built-in at double the price of the base unit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/14/2014 12:42 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Well, they do say opinions are like... Shout all you want, but it is not imperative that you have a separate sound card. The computer's integrated sound card can be dedicated to ham radio. Keeping Windows sounds from playing through the radio is no different from not transmitting outside the band. It's something that is supposed to be in our skill set. I have both a SignaLink and a Tascam US-100 (highly recommended by Jim Brown). On RTTY, neither of these is either better, or worse, than the built-in card in my laptop, and both require a USB port, something in short supply. It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Need Audio for SignaLonk from Sub-Rx on my K3
Well now, let's determine what is acceptable receiver performance. If all I want is to work some openings on 10 and 6, the K3 can hold its on with anyone in my experience. Certainly it out performs the IC-9100. For weak signal work, a preamp is a welcome addition. I use ARR P50VDG on 6m and ARR P144VDG on 2m mounted on transfer panels along with appropriate RF amplifiers and a couple of multi-element beams. Jim, W4ATK K-Line On 5/14/2014 2:41 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Well now, *that* is untrue. If you think that is my prescription then so be it, but that's not what I said. Nothing precludes additional features from being options, which aren't necessary for modes one is not interested in. That said, I don't think that a transceiver that is supposed to be state-of-the-art should have to have an extra cost (and bulky) dongle hanging off the back just to have acceptable receiver performance on ten and six meters, just for example. On 5/14/2014 11:41 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. That's unfair and untrue ... there is a distinct disadvantage to building every option under the sun into a transceiver. The biggest is that all users pay more for the transceiver *and* the built-in options (compare the panadapter in an FT-1200 to the P3 or SDR-IQ) are far inferior to the best of breed that can often be had for little more than the amortized cost of the built-in feature. If one took your prescription, the K3 would only be available in one configuration - with all options built-in at double the price of the base unit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/14/2014 12:42 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Well, they do say opinions are like... Shout all you want, but it is not imperative that you have a separate sound card. The computer's integrated sound card can be dedicated to ham radio. Keeping Windows sounds from playing through the radio is no different from not transmitting outside the band. It's something that is supposed to be in our skill set. I have both a SignaLink and a Tascam US-100 (highly recommended by Jim Brown). On RTTY, neither of these is either better, or worse, than the built-in card in my laptop, and both require a USB port, something in short supply. It's curious that we have this relatively tiny box of a radio that suffers from poor ergonomics because of it and then we're supposed to festoon it with dongles to make it play. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim.w4...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
