Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Alan, Thanks for your note. I do have all the players, the K3, P3, and LP-Bridge, set up for 38400 baud so I don't think that's the problem. I'll experiment more tonight with different parameters in LP-Bridge to see if I can see what sensitivities there are. I'll let you know. Thanks, 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/9/2010 1:27 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: Hi Ted, I can't confirm the problem here. I did the following: I'm using a laptop with a KUSB USB-to-RS232 converter. First I had to determine the proper COM port, so I started LP-PAN with the P3 turned off and played with COM port selection until it worked. Then I turned off the K3 and the P3 and ended the LP-PAN application. Then I turned everything back on, re-started LP-PAN, clicked on Connect and it found the K3 right away with the P3 turned on. There has been some confusion among users about baud rates. We are going to add a section to the manual to clarify this. The baud rate of LP-PAN must match the baud rate of the P3 and _NOT_ the baud rate of the K3, even when LP-PAN is talking to the K3. Communications between the P3 and the K3 are always at 38400 baud. If you try to change the baud rate of the K3, the P3 will just change it back to 38400. The baud rate of the serial port that connects to the computer must be set in the P3. There is a MENU command RS232 to do that or you can do it over the RS-232 port using the BR command, which is the same as the K3 BR command except that it is actually being responded to by the P3, not the K3. Hopefully, that was the problem. 73, Alan N1AL On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 11:16 -0400, Ted Roycraft wrote: Thanks Gary, I have an LP-PAN and will continue to use it even though I have the P3. It is still needed if you want to run CWSkimmer. Even if I weren't going to use LP-PAN I would still want to keep LP-Bridge running because it allows multiple programs to control the K3 - one of those things I've gotten used to and now can't live without. Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 9:22 AM, gary bartlett wrote: Hi, Ted: Yes, the LP-Bridge requires one to keep the P3 turned off until the end. LP-Bridge is not required, of course, but I had left mine in play because I originally was running the P3 and the LP-PAN in parallel and hadn't gotten around to reassigning COM ports to my logging programs when I disconnected LP-PAN. I was still using that configuration when I tripped over what you report. I suppose the good news is that if anyone has LP-Bridge installed for what ever reason, the P3 doesn't mind so long as you do what one always has to do: set up the virtual ports first. 73, Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: August 7, 2010 6:31 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3 I tried to connect LP_Bridge passing through the P3 to the K3 ... Has anyone else run into this? 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Hi, Ted: Yes, the LP-Bridge requires one to keep the P3 turned off until the end. LP-Bridge is not required, of course, but I had left mine in play because I originally was running the P3 and the LP-PAN in parallel and hadn't gotten around to reassigning COM ports to my logging programs when I disconnected LP-PAN. I was still using that configuration when I tripped over what you report. I suppose the good news is that if anyone has LP-Bridge installed for what ever reason, the P3 doesn't mind so long as you do what one always has to do: set up the virtual ports first. 73, Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: August 7, 2010 6:31 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3 I tried to connect LP_Bridge passing through the P3 to the K3 ... Has anyone else run into this? 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Thanks Gary, I have an LP-PAN and will continue to use it even though I have the P3. It is still needed if you want to run CWSkimmer. Even if I weren't going to use LP-PAN I would still want to keep LP-Bridge running because it allows multiple programs to control the K3 - one of those things I've gotten used to and now can't live without. Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 9:22 AM, gary bartlett wrote: Hi, Ted: Yes, the LP-Bridge requires one to keep the P3 turned off until the end. LP-Bridge is not required, of course, but I had left mine in play because I originally was running the P3 and the LP-PAN in parallel and hadn't gotten around to reassigning COM ports to my logging programs when I disconnected LP-PAN. I was still using that configuration when I tripped over what you report. I suppose the good news is that if anyone has LP-Bridge installed for what ever reason, the P3 doesn't mind so long as you do what one always has to do: set up the virtual ports first. 73, Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: August 7, 2010 6:31 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3 I tried to connect LP_Bridge passing through the P3 to the K3 ... Has anyone else run into this? 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. Absolutely! We need this kind of feedback to help us improve the product. The P3 is in its earliest rollout and we know there are bugs not yet found, and there will be feature requests we hadn't thought of. Please keep the feedback coming -- and look for updates! 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be translucent? :-) 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: ... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Depends on one's definition of transparent. It appears to work with every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge. To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be translucent? :-) 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: ... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency? Why do you feel it necessary to prejudge? Oh, right ... 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 8:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Depends on one's definition of transparent. It appears to work with every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge. To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be translucent? :-) 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: ... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Even with the latest version of LP-BRIDGE (9.8), I continue to experience some rig time outs. All occur during periods of transmitting where one does not drop back to RX during that period. Direct connect without LP-BRIDGE shows none of these. They happen even with the K3 throttled back to 5 W or less so RFI isn't the cause. There certainly appear to be some timing issues with LP-BRIDGE/K3. It occurs with no P3, two different rigs and two different logging programs. Just what RS232 activity is permitted between the rig and LP-BRIDGE during transmit? Are there blackout periods where the K3 will not respond to polls? The nature of the time out is that the logging program doesn't think the K3 is attached any more. 73 de Brian/K3KO Ted Roycraft wrote: Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency? Why do you feel it necessary to prejudge? Oh, right ... 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 8:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Depends on one's definition of transparent. It appears to work with every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge. To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be translucent? :-) 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: ... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3
Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency? Only that it appears to implement it with all of the software I've tested (except for LP-Bridge obviously). Why do you feel it necessary to prejudge? Who is prejudging? If other software operates normally while LP-Bridge which has many other reported issues (to the extent that several developers require their users to document a bug when LP-Bridge is NOT in use before it is considered a valid bug report) is the only software not to operate correctly, why do you arbitrarily blame the P3? Just because it is the last device added is not a reason to expect the P3 to fix potential problems with other software ... show the incorrect operation first before expecting Elecraft to divert resources to fix a problem that may not even exist. Oh, right ... What does that mean? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2010 8:25 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote: Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency? Why do you feel it necessary to prejudge? Oh, right ... 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 8:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Depends on one's definition of transparent. It appears to work with every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge. To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote: Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be translucent? :-) 73, Ted, W2ZK On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: ... Maybe it is a nit on my part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of things. I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
