Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
-Original Message- From: Joe-aa4nn [EMAIL PROTECTED] IIRC, I was surprised to get such a low SN from AA4NN. But then I noticed a number of stations on Sunday that had good big sigs and yet were giving out low SNs. I think they were playing the hot and fast game: Show up late in SS (Sunday morning at the earliest, late Sunday afternoon usually) and start calling CQ. By then, almost everyone, even the big boys, are looking for new ones, and you have a few intense hours of being *very* popular! You won't win that way, but your QSO rate will be phenomenal. If you insist on going for high score, make your goal more realistic and more fun by competing with stations in your own ARRL/RAC section or local radio club or a friend. In this way you are competing with stations in your particular area on this continent. Or compete in a variety of ways: - are you ahead of where you were last year, the year before that, etc? - have you fixed any weak points in your setup (rig, antenna, operator?) - where do you fit in the overall percentile rank? - where do you fit in the particular class (QRP ops in your section, etc.) You can also use contests like SS as a way to get those rare states for WAS. Forget the high score and all the pressure that goes with it, and just concentrate on getting a *sweep* of all 80 ARRL/RAC sections. Now, there's a challenge for you and a quite difficult one at that. AAARRG Don't remind me! I've worked all sections in SS - just never all in the *same* SS! From EPA, it is really tough to get AK, NT, and PAC, simply because there are so many hams closer to those sections, they are so rare and so far away, and EPA isn't rare at all. Got 76 sections including PAC this year. AK heard but couldn't break through, NT nowhere to be found. The other holdouts were WTX, and (sob) DE! It's only a few miles from here to the Delaware/PA border, yet I never heard any DE stations at all this year. Perhaps they were all tossing pumpkins. Maybe next year I'll have a different rig for SS... 73 de Jim, N2EY Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
Bob; No, you're not that bad. You just need to put things in context. The guys you are hearing, for the most part, are running lots of power (far more than 100 watts) with substantial antenna systems. While you (and I) go from frequency to frequency in a search and pounce exercise, their commanding power and locations allows them to sit on a frequency, call CQ and wait for us to come. Their stations are built to do exactly what they are doing, and their skills honed for the exercise. Building such a station is definitely way cool, requiring lots of design savvy and more than a few dollars. Having the right radio makes a big difference, while knowing how to use its features to your advantage takes more than a little effort. Learning the ins and outs of contest software helps quite a bit, as can a good understanding of propagation conditions (and how to apply them). Add in a second radio for SO2R operation (to make use of the time when you aren't in a QSO) and things get really serious quite fast. Another area for advantage is location. A good high station in the clear will beat my valley- floor station almost every time. They just hear more than I do. There are lots of tricks and details that high-level contesters put to their advantage. I really enjoy learning from these folks and apply quite a bit of their knowledge to my own operations. But I don't try to directly compete with them (except in a pileup, of course). There will be QSO totals in the high thousand zone for CW Sweepstakes, I'll settle for about 150. That will be more than I have previously done in CW SS (I'm more serious in phone SS - the number will be at least 500 and a sweep). I compete against my previous records and my friends. Lions and Christians? Hardly. You compete where you want to compete at your own level. That makes it a lot of fun! So, no you aren't bad at all, just slightly overmatched at a high level, but probably exactly where you need to be at your own level. Noting that you are in the Northern California area, I would invite you to a meeting of the Northern California Contest Club so you can meet the wide area of contesters we have here in Northern California. You will find hams of all types, from _really_ serious contesters to good little pistols and more than a few casual contesters. All enjoy contesting, and all can be very helpful for those wishing to improve their skills. Check the NCCC web site at www.nccc.cc for more information. By the way, the K3 was designed to be able to compete in the very environment we have in contesting. It is going through its paces for the first time in CW Sweepstakes, and so far the results are very good. We knew Wayne and Lyle created another winner, now it is being confirmed! On Nov 4, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Bob Fish wrote: Hi Guys, I, like probably alot of you, have been doing some casual contesting this weekend. Once again, I am amazed at how bad of a contester I am. It isn't my rig or antenna. I have a K2/100 and a decent antenna. When I call someone they almost always respond after the first call. My cw skills are pretty good I can exchange contest info at around 30wpm if I have to, although I run between 22 and 25wpm most of the time. I try not to get distracted, another words I try to stay in front of the radio. So I feel as if I should be, at least, competitive. But, it happens every time. I sit down, eagerly awaiting the start of the contest, ready to do battle, and get slaughtered. Within an hour or so I am hopelessly behind. After 4 or 5 hours it is a joke. after 8 or 10 hours every station I work has 600 contacts! Some of these guys are averaging a contact a minute OVER 8 HOURS! I'm not mad, I am just amazed. My best contact rate was about 30 an hour and that was only for a couple of hours.I usually run a contact every 3 or 4 minutes. So after a while I get discouraged and start getting up and watching football for a few minutes or something else and then I really fall behind. I don't mind not winning, but I am getting clobbered by every one I work by a factor of 7 or 8. I have to wonder, am I really that bad? The funny thing is, by the time the next contest rolls around. I am sitting in front of the radio, eagerly ready to do battle...The lions and Christians come to mind except the Christian weren't willing participants. 73, Bob K6GGO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Jack Brindle, W6FB - ___
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
Bob: You raise a question that I've thought a lot about. My experience of contesting with a good 100 watt rig and a decent antenna is quite similar to yours. Using a strict search and pounce strategy and being very economical about the number of steps that I take for logging (I do not use a computerized log) I can maintain a pretty consistent QSO rate of about 30 per hour, but try as I might I cannot do much better. In a 24 hour contest that works out to 720 QSOs, respectable but not seriously competitive in high/medium power class. Obviously, the big boys are doing something different if they can consistently make 60-100 CW contacts per hour. Please be aware that I'm not knocking them or their strategy, I'm merely looking at what they do differently. The substantive difference between their strategy and yours and mine is that they create a pileup around themselves. The way they do that involves several specifics: 1) They use a computerized log integrated with the rig and keyer so that as much data as possible (e.g., time and frequency) are copied directly from the hardware, and the operate/log procedure has been perfected to work with the minimum number of keystrokes and no duplication of entries. 2) They use the maximum legal power for their class of competition. For example, using 100 Watts in a class that permits 200 watts is only a 3 dB disadvantage, and is just perceptibly weaker for any given QSO. However, across 1000 attempted QSOs, the extra punch of 3 dB will produce more consistent results. 3) They do not use respectable antennas; they use spectacularly big and expensive antennas. The point is that they put out a dominant signal, call CQ, and work off the pileup. They have the steps of making and logging the QSO worked out so that they can get into a rhythm that enables them to work stations just as fast as they hear them. They also have one indispensable skill: Given several simultaneous callers, they are consistently able to identify at least one callsign out of the cacophony of stations trying to call them. Obviously the indispensable key to the strategy is the big antenna that produces the big signal. That is out of reach for most of us, and is the reason why you see a cluster of a few big leaders followed by a very distant pack. Nevertheless, there is a way for us ordinary guys to get a place at the winners table. Go QRP. In my experience, even with a dipole antenna, I can usually sustain a rate a bit above 20 QSOs per hour with QRP, as opposed to 30 per hour with 100 Watts. Sometimes that is enough to win. For example, I won the plaque for US high score in the 1983 ARRL CW DX contest in the QRP class. Even if I don't win, I'll often end up in the top 3 in my class of competition. The reason why the strategy works is that we're competing for relative standing only against other QRPers, and with the very rare exception, QRPers do not put up big gun antennas. Think of it as Christians vs. tabby cats. 73, Steve Kercel AA4AK At 11:47 AM 11/4/2007, Bob Fish wrote: Hi Guys, I, like probably alot of you, have been doing some casual contesting this weekend. Once again, I am amazed at how bad of a contester I am. It isn't my rig or antenna. I have a K2/100 and a decent antenna. When I call someone they almost always respond after the first call. My cw skills are pretty good I can exchange contest info at around 30wpm if I have to, although I run between 22 and 25wpm most of the time. I try not to get distracted, another words I try to stay in front of the radio. So I feel as if I should be, at least, competitive. But, it happens every time. I sit down, eagerly awaiting the start of the contest, ready to do battle, and get slaughtered. Within an hour or so I am hopelessly behind. After 4 or 5 hours it is a joke. after 8 or 10 hours every station I work has 600 contacts! Some of these guys are averaging a contact a minute OVER 8 HOURS! I'm not mad, I am just amazed. My best contact rate was about 30 an hour and that was only for a couple of hours.I usually run a contact every 3 or 4 minutes. So after a while I get discouraged and start getting up and watching football for a few minutes or something else and then I really fall behind. I don't mind not winning, but I am getting clobbered by every one I work by a factor of 7 or 8. I have to wonder, am I really that bad? The funny thing is, by the time the next contest rolls around. I am sitting in front of the radio, eagerly ready to do battle...The lions and Christians come to mind except the Christian weren't willing participants. 73, Bob K6GGO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page:
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
Bob It's horses for courses (deliberate pun intended)... I've only entered two contests and came second both times! My friend Tim, G4ARI, won on both occasions. The contest was the RSGB low power contest (http://www.contesting.co.uk/hfcc/rules/rqrp.shtml). We both ran Elecraft K2/10 transceivers to dipole and doublet antennas, the maximum points are gained from working low power and portable stations, so QRPers have a huge advantage. The portable stations are limited on antenna height and supports. I'm not the fastest CW operator around, usually operating 20 - 25 wpm, but if you miss something you can always ask the station to repeat it - they probably need the details recording as accurately as you do. 73 Dave, G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
Hi Bob, Contesting is one of the things I love to do that I'm no good at...skiing is another and golfing's on the list too. Competing against yourself is excellent advice that you've already received. There are a few other ways to make contesting more fun: - Join a contest club. You still operate at home on your own equipment, but your score becomes part of an aggregate club score. The big advantage is that it puts you in touch with other contesters in your region from whom you can learn. You'll see contest club scores listed in the results of many contests. - An enormously motivating development is online reporting of your contest score. The computer you use for logging (you are using logging saftware, aren't you?) has to be connected to the internet for this to work. N1MM Logger, and probably several other loggers has a module that you activate that collects your score data from the logger and uploads it automatically to a score reporting website, where your score is listed with all other participants. You can check out the website and see how you're doing relative to everyone else. The first time I tried this I got into a race with a ham who was a few hundred points ahead of me. I tried to catch him and did after a while. Then I could see that he was pouring it on to try and get ahead of me again. We battled for hours for (something like) 763rd place, but it was great fun because he was a reachable target. I looked him up on qrz.com and e-mailed him after the contest. He said he had his eyes on me the whole time and was working hard to stay ahead. We both spent a lot more time in front of the radio and improved our scores a lot. It was also a lot more fun, because after all QSOs = Fun. Having said all this, I'll be darned if I can find the website! It's run by a W1/VE1 and it'll probably come to me before long. Maybe someone else on the list knows and will jump in, too. Hope this is of interest. 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS --- Bob Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I, like probably alot of you, have been doing some casual contesting this weekend. Once again, I am amazed at how bad of a contester I am. It isn't my rig or antenna. I have a K2/100 and a decent antenna. When I call someone they almost always respond after the first call. My cw skills are pretty good I can exchange contest info at around 30wpm if I have to, although I run between 22 and 25wpm most of the time. I try not to get distracted, another words I try to stay in front of the radio. So I feel as if I should be, at least, competitive. But, it happens every time. I sit down, eagerly awaiting the start of the contest, ready to do battle, and get slaughtered. Within an hour or so I am hopelessly behind. After 4 or 5 hours it is a joke. after 8 or 10 hours every station I work has 600 contacts! Some of these guys are averaging a contact a minute OVER 8 HOURS! I'm not mad, I am just amazed. My best contact rate was about 30 an hour and that was only for a couple of hours.I usually run a contact every 3 or 4 minutes. So after a while I get discouraged and start getting up and watching football for a few minutes or something else and then I really fall behind. I don't mind not winning, but I am getting clobbered by every one I work by a factor of 7 or 8. I have to wonder, am I really that bad? The funny thing is, by the time the next contest rolls around. I am sitting in front of the radio, eagerly ready to do battle...The lions and Christians come to mind except the Christian weren't willing participants. 73, Bob K6GGO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
W1VE/VE1RM is the guy you're thinking of - www.w1ve.com and the realtime scores site at www.getscores.org 72, geoff - W1OH Ken Alexander wrote: Hi Bob, Contesting is one of the things I love to do that I'm no good at...skiing is another and golfing's on the list too. Competing against yourself is excellent advice that you've already received. There are a few other ways to make contesting more fun: - Join a contest club. You still operate at home on your own equipment, but your score becomes part of an aggregate club score. The big advantage is that it puts you in touch with other contesters in your region from whom you can learn. You'll see contest club scores listed in the results of many contests. - An enormously motivating development is online reporting of your contest score. The computer you use for logging (you are using logging saftware, aren't you?) has to be connected to the internet for this to work. N1MM Logger, and probably several other loggers has a module that you activate that collects your score data from the logger and uploads it automatically to a score reporting website, where your score is listed with all other participants. You can check out the website and see how you're doing relative to everyone else. The first time I tried this I got into a race with a ham who was a few hundred points ahead of me. I tried to catch him and did after a while. Then I could see that he was pouring it on to try and get ahead of me again. We battled for hours for (something like) 763rd place, but it was great fun because he was a reachable target. I looked him up on qrz.com and e-mailed him after the contest. He said he had his eyes on me the whole time and was working hard to stay ahead. We both spent a lot more time in front of the radio and improved our scores a lot. It was also a lot more fun, because after all QSOs = Fun. Having said all this, I'll be darned if I can find the website! It's run by a W1/VE1 and it'll probably come to me before long. Maybe someone else on the list knows and will jump in, too. Hope this is of interest. 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS --- Bob Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I, like probably alot of you, have been doing some casual contesting this weekend. Once again, I am amazed at how bad of a contester I am. It isn't my rig or antenna. I have a K2/100 and a decent antenna. When I call someone they almost always respond after the first call. My cw skills are pretty good I can exchange contest info at around 30wpm if I have to, although I run between 22 and 25wpm most of the time. I try not to get distracted, another words I try to stay in front of the radio. So I feel as if I should be, at least, competitive. But, it happens every time. I sit down, eagerly awaiting the start of the contest, ready to do battle, and get slaughtered. Within an hour or so I am hopelessly behind. After 4 or 5 hours it is a joke. after 8 or 10 hours every station I work has 600 contacts! Some of these guys are averaging a contact a minute OVER 8 HOURS! I'm not mad, I am just amazed. My best contact rate was about 30 an hour and that was only for a couple of hours.I usually run a contact every 3 or 4 minutes. So after a while I get discouraged and start getting up and watching football for a few minutes or something else and then I really fall behind. I don't mind not winning, but I am getting clobbered by every one I work by a factor of 7 or 8. I have to wonder, am I really that bad? The funny thing is, by the time the next contest rolls around. I am sitting in front of the radio, eagerly ready to do battle...The lions and Christians come to mind except the Christian weren't willing participants. 73, Bob K6GGO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- * Geoff Allsup, W1OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA * ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes
In a message dated 11/4/07 11:48:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a K2/100 and a decent antenna. With all due respect, what do you consider a decent antenna? When I call someone they almost always respond after the first call. My cw skills are pretty good I can exchange contest info at around 30wpm if I have to, although I run between 22 and 25wpm most of the time. I try not to get distracted, another words I try to stay in front of the radio. So I feel as if I should be, at least, competitive. You *are* competitive - with stations that are similarly equipped. But, it happens every time. I sit down, eagerly awaiting the start of the contest, ready to do battle, and get slaughtered. Within an hour or so I am hopelessly behind. After 4 or 5 hours it is a joke. after 8 or 10 hours every station I work has 600 contacts! Some of these guys are averaging a contact a minute OVER 8 HOURS! I'm not mad, I am just amazed. My best contact rate was about 30 an hour and that was only for a couple of hours.I usually run a contact every 3 or 4 minutes. The question is, what factor limits your QSO rate? In my case, the limiting factors have always been: 1) My signal isn't usually strong enough to hold a frequency and run QSOs. 2) Finding new ones to work by hunt-and-pounce. The folks with 600 QSOs after 10 hours aren't hunting and pouncing much. They're holding a frequency and running QSOs two-a-minute. So after a while I get discouraged and start getting up and watching football for a few minutes or something else and then I really fall behind. I don't mind not winning, but I am getting clobbered by every one I work by a factor of 7 or 8. I know what you mean. It's hard to maintain focus when the results are not up to expectations. Perhaps the expectations are unrealistic. I have to wonder, am I really that bad? No. The more-important question is, are you getting better? IOW, are you learning from the experience? One thing I notice about myself is that I'm pretty rusty when the contest starts, and it takes me a while to get up to speed. That means I need to do more little contests, rather than just SS and FD. I also need to get the computer fully integrated into the shack well before the contest. As it was, all it could do was log and dupe - I did all the sending myself. --- SS is a really strange contest in some ways: 1) Compared to other contests, SS has a very long and complex exchange. Four distinct items to be sent and received besides the callsign. (Used to be five!) 2) It's a US-and-Canada contest (I'm old enough to remember when the Canal Zone was a section!) which makes it very different from DX contests, because you need to work close-in stations as well as far off ones. Where you are in the country can make a difference 3) Unlike almost every other big contest, you can only work a station once, regardless of band. This makes finding new ones harder and harder as the contest goes on. It also means you have to use completely different judgement than other contests, because the station you spend five minutes dragging out of the mud on 80 may be twenty over on 20 in a few hours - or minutes. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes CW
Don't forget 15 meters! It was very active this past weekend. On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:40 AM, J F wrote: Plan to have my K2 (3311) running from the new QTH this weekend. May run Q on 80/40/20, most of my activity will be during the first half of the test. Hope to work a bunch of you! 73, Julius n2wn (WN2EOO in 1972) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Jack Brindle, W6FB - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes CW
I will definitely be checking 15 during the day. I see we had sunspots in the low 30s yesterday, so perhaps something interesting will happen after all. See you all in the contest. 73, Bob N6WG The Little Station with Attitude -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jack Brindle Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:45 AM To: J F Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes CW Don't forget 15 meters! It was very active this past weekend. On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:40 AM, J F wrote: Plan to have my K2 (3311) running from the new QTH this weekend. May run Q on 80/40/20, most of my activity will be during the first half of the test. Hope to work a bunch of you! 73, Julius n2wn (WN2EOO in 1972) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Jack Brindle, W6FB - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sweepstakes CW
This will be the first time using my K2 during SS. It is my favorite contest of the year.. I will be running QRP on 40, 20, and 15. Hope to work some of you. Jason N8XE J F wrote: Plan to have my K2 (3311) running from the new QTH this weekend. May run Q on 80/40/20, most of my activity will be during the first half of the test. Hope to work a bunch of you! 73, Julius n2wn (WN2EOO in 1972) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- A long journey starts with the first step and an understanding spouse. http://www.undermidnight.com - astronomy and astrophotography http://www.n8xe.com - ham radio http://www.jasonhissong.com - electronic music composition ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
