Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Cassidy James]

lp:music is taken, possibly by a proprietary project (Canonical, maybe?). It 
doesn't show up as a page when you go to the URL, but attempting to register 
the project results in an error saying it's already being used.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Daniel Foré  wrote:
I'm not opposed to being a bit "radical" and stealing lp:music while its up for 
grabs, ha!

We could change the strings to read like "Your library has been imported" or 
"Your library cannot be found" instead of saying Music can't find it. But, like 
you said this still creates work for translators. 

I'm also not opposed to the implication of limiting the feature set. There's so 
much we could do just in the realm of only music with this app that I'm not 
concerned about the app being barren of features, and I do relieve that 
Audience is just going to be a better video player and its very possible a 
dedicated podcast app could work a lot better than lumping those in as well.

I'm +1 to whatever you decide Victor. But it sounds like we're leaning toward 
going with Music ha

Best Regards,
Daniel Foré

El nov 21, 2012, a las 6:50 p.m., Victor Eduardo  
escribió:

I like the direction this is taking, and I also agree with simply naming the 
application "Music". Your arguments are also coherent with those found in the 
comments of the Geary Naming thread. Some thoughts:

L10n and i18n

The only thing I don't like about using a generic name for an application like 
Noise is that it implies modifying a lot of strings. Strings like the following 
would no longer be valid:
Music cannot find your music folder.
Music has imported your library.
Etcetera...
Currently, Noise uses a '%s' on the obliqued words above (Music), and 
translators can confirm that you'd rarely see the word "Noise" in a 
translatable string.  Therefore, moving to a different non-generic name would 
not destroy the current translations, because the majority of strings 
containing the app's name would be kept untouched.

I guess that when using a generic name, replacing the application's name by 
"We" or "I" is enough for English, but it would probably be a bit more 
complicated for translators on languages in which using impersonal expressions 
is not the preferred style.[Translators' input needed]

Feature Set

Using Music as the new name would also limit the set of features we could 
target to the application. While the new name would leave a chance for Internet 
radio (which is a planned feature and fits well into the music player), it 
would also imply no podcasts, etc. I am personally against integrating podcasts 
into the music player anyway; Feedler + Audience could do a great job on that 
area.


In general, we could gain a lot in terms of app discoverability by using a 
generic name. For example, there would be no need to tell your grandma what the 
application does, because the icon plus the name would make it pretty obvious. 
We wouldn't be forcing an English name either, and this would be loved by our 
international user base. 

In the cons side, arguments against the generic name would be the big amount of 
work it would create for translators, and the fact that some people consider 
generic default applications to be crappy (you can disregard this; I have no 
proofs). Of course the latter is not a problem as long as we manage to get 
major bugs fixed and keep high quality standards. Also, the app looks great, so 
I don't worry much about it.

My last questions:
Do we have green light to start working on the rename (to Music)?
What would be the new name on Launchpad? Pantheon Music? I'd personally prefer 
elementary Music, but that would create inconsistency. 
http://launchpad.net/music is also available, in case we're being radical.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Sincerely,
Victor.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Uday Shankar  wrote:
I agree with this. Simplicity is what has drawn me to elementary. Let music be 
music what more? :-) no offense 

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Cassidy James
Sent: 11/21/2012 12:01 PM
To: Cody Garver
Cc: xapantu; elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise


Music gets a +1 from me as well. Honestly, I think that we either need to keep 
it Noise or rename it to Music. Changing the name to anything else really seems 
unnecessary at this point.

Regarding the generic name thing, I think that's something we should decide on 
a per-app basis. Technically its generic name would be "Music Player" but its 
app name would just be "Music". We can't just show genetic names for the apps 
in the launcher by default, so this is probably the best route and is what 
we've been doing with apps like Terminal and Files.

Again, I'm not opposed to Noise, but if we do change

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

I suggest sticking to "noise" codename at least for Luna; we can
change the name along with the expected refactoring later, and it's be
nice to have a way to easily refer to the codebase we have now. The
two concurrent LP projects with different codenames would be
especially useful in case we choose to support Noise during Luna
lifecycle while also working on refactoring it (independent bug
trackers, etc).

-- 
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary

P.S. If we choose "Music" display name and independent project for a
refactoring, we can go totally crazy with the development codename for
it ("booombox", anyone?) :D

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Daniel Foré]

I'm not opposed to being a bit "radical" and stealing lp:music while its up for 
grabs, ha!

We could change the strings to read like "Your library has been imported" or 
"Your library cannot be found" instead of saying Music can't find it. But, like 
you said this still creates work for translators. 

I'm also not opposed to the implication of limiting the feature set. There's so 
much we could do just in the realm of only music with this app that I'm not 
concerned about the app being barren of features, and I do relieve that 
Audience is just going to be a better video player and its very possible a 
dedicated podcast app could work a lot better than lumping those in as well.

I'm +1 to whatever you decide Victor. But it sounds like we're leaning toward 
going with Music ha

Best Regards,
Daniel Foré

El nov 21, 2012, a las 6:50 p.m., Victor Eduardo  
escribió:

> I like the direction this is taking, and I also agree with simply naming the 
> application "Music". Your arguments are also coherent with those found in the 
> comments of the Geary Naming thread. Some thoughts:
> 
> L10n and i18n
> 
> The only thing I don't like about using a generic name for an application 
> like Noise is that it implies modifying a lot of strings. Strings like the 
> following would no longer be valid:
> Music cannot find your music folder.
> Music has imported your library.
> Etcetera...
> Currently, Noise uses a '%s' on the obliqued words above (Music), and 
> translators can confirm that you'd rarely see the word "Noise" in a 
> translatable string.  Therefore, moving to a different non-generic name would 
> not destroy the current translations, because the majority of strings 
> containing the app's name would be kept untouched.
> 
> I guess that when using a generic name, replacing the application's name by 
> "We" or "I" is enough for English, but it would probably be a bit more 
> complicated for translators on languages in which using impersonal 
> expressions is not the preferred style.[Translators' input needed]
> 
> Feature Set
> 
> Using Music as the new name would also limit the set of features we could 
> target to the application. While the new name would leave a chance for 
> Internet radio (which is a planned feature and fits well into the music 
> player), it would also imply no podcasts, etc. I am personally against 
> integrating podcasts into the music player anyway; Feedler + Audience could 
> do a great job on that area.
> 
> 
> In general, we could gain a lot in terms of app discoverability by using a 
> generic name. For example, there would be no need to tell your grandma what 
> the application does, because the icon plus the name would make it pretty 
> obvious. We wouldn't be forcing an English name either, and this would be 
> loved by our international user base. 
> 
> In the cons side, arguments against the generic name would be the big amount 
> of work it would create for translators, and the fact that some people 
> consider generic default applications to be crappy (you can disregard this; I 
> have no proofs). Of course the latter is not a problem as long as we manage 
> to get major bugs fixed and keep high quality standards. Also, the app looks 
> great, so I don't worry much about it.
> 
> My last questions:
> Do we have green light to start working on the rename (to Music)?
> What would be the new name on Launchpad? Pantheon Music? I'd personally 
> prefer elementary Music, but that would create inconsistency. 
> http://launchpad.net/music is also available, in case we're being radical.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Victor.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Uday Shankar  wrote:
>> I agree with this. Simplicity is what has drawn me to elementary. Let music 
>> be music what more? :-) no offense 
>> 
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> From: Cassidy James
>> Sent: 11/21/2012 12:01 PM
>> To: Cody Garver
>> Cc: xapantu; elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise
>> 
>> 
>> Music gets a +1 from me as well. Honestly, I think that we either need to 
>> keep it Noise or rename it to Music. Changing the name to anything else 
>> really seems unnecessary at this point.
>> 
>> Regarding the generic name thing, I think that's something we should decide 
>> on a per-app basis. Technically its generic name would be "Music Player" but 
>> its app name would just be "Music". We can't just show genetic names for the 
>> apps in the launche

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Victor Eduardo]

I like the direction this is taking, and I also agree with simply naming
the application "Music". Your arguments are also coherent with those found
in the comments of the Geary
Naming<https://lists.launchpad.net/elementary-dev-community/msg01209.html>thread.
Some thoughts:

L10n and i18n

The only thing I don't like about using a generic name for an application
like Noise is that it implies modifying a lot of strings. Strings like the
following would no longer be valid:

   - *Music* cannot find your music folder.
   - *Music *has imported your library.
   - Etcetera...

Currently, Noise uses a '*%s*' on the obliqued words above (*Music)*, and
translators can confirm that you'd rarely see the word *"Noise"* in a
translatable string.  Therefore, moving to a different non-generic name
would not destroy the current translations, because the majority of strings
containing the app's name would be kept untouched.

I guess that when using a generic name, replacing the application's name by
"We" or "I" is enough for English, but it would probably be a bit more
complicated for translators on languages in which using impersonal
expressions is not the preferred style.*[Translators' input needed]*

Feature Set

Using *Music* as the new name would also limit the set of features we could
target to the application. While the new name would leave a chance for
Internet radio (which is a planned feature and fits well into the music
player), it would also imply no podcasts, etc. I am personally against
integrating podcasts into the music player anyway; Feedler + Audience could
do a great job on that area.


In general, we could gain a lot in terms of app discoverability by using a
generic name. For example, there would be no need to tell your grandma what
the application does, because the icon plus the name would make it pretty
obvious. We wouldn't be forcing an English name either, and this would be
loved by our international user base.

In the cons side, arguments against the generic name would be the big
amount of work it would create for translators, and the fact that some
people consider generic default applications to be crappy (*you can
disregard this; I have no proofs*). Of course the latter is not a problem
as long as we manage to get major bugs fixed and keep high quality
standards. Also, the app looks great, so I don't worry much about it.

My last questions:

   1. Do we have green light to start working on the rename (to *Music*)?
   2. What would be the new name on Launchpad? P*antheon Music*? I'd
   personally prefer *elementary Music,* but that would create
   inconsistency. http://launchpad.net/music is also available, in case
   we're being radical.


Thanks in advance for your replies.

Sincerely,
Victor.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Uday Shankar  wrote:

>  I agree with this. Simplicity is what has drawn me to elementary. Let
> music be music what more? :-) no offense
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>  --
> From: Cassidy James
> Sent: 11/21/2012 12:01 PM
> To: Cody Garver
> Cc: xapantu; elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise
>
>
>  Music gets a +1 from me as well. Honestly, I think that we either need
> to keep it Noise or rename it to Music. Changing the name to anything else
> really seems unnecessary at this point.
>
> Regarding the generic name thing, I think that's something we should
> decide on a per-app basis. Technically its generic name would be "Music
> Player" but its app name would just be "Music". We can't just show genetic
> names for the apps in the launcher by default, so this is probably the best
> route and is what we've been doing with apps like Terminal and Files.
>
> Again, I'm not opposed to Noise, but if we do change it, I think it should
> just be Music.
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
> On Nov 20, 2012 3:18 PM, "Cody Garver"  wrote:
>
>  I'm for Music. I also think music is what development should center
> around and leave podcasts and maybe even radio to separate apps. Podcasts
> because they really need a store experience, otherwise you'd be better off
> just subscribing to them in an RSS aggregator.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "Daniel Foré" 
> wrote:
>
>  Just my two cents:
>
>  It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any
> longer haha.
>
>  I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with
> "Music". Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO
> and (as previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.
>
>  I didn&

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Uday Shankar]

I agree with this. Simplicity is what has drawn me to elementary. Let music be 
music what more? :-) no offense

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Cassidy James
Sent: 11/21/2012 12:01 PM
To: Cody Garver
Cc: xapantu; elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

Music gets a +1 from me as well. Honestly, I think that we either need to
keep it Noise or rename it to Music. Changing the name to anything else
really seems unnecessary at this point.

Regarding the generic name thing, I think that's something we should decide
on a per-app basis. Technically its generic name would be "Music Player"
but its app name would just be "Music". We can't just show genetic names
for the apps in the launcher by default, so this is probably the best route
and is what we've been doing with apps like Terminal and Files.

Again, I'm not opposed to Noise, but if we do change it, I think it should
just be Music.

Regards,
Cassidy James
On Nov 20, 2012 3:18 PM, "Cody Garver"  wrote:

> I'm for Music. I also think music is what development should center around
> and leave podcasts and maybe even radio to separate apps. Podcasts because
> they really need a store experience, otherwise you'd be better off just
> subscribing to them in an RSS aggregator.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "Daniel Foré" 
> wrote:
>
> Just my two cents:
>
> It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any
> longer haha.
>
> I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with
> "Music". Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO
> and (as previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.
>
> I didn't really intend Noise to be a serious name, but I don't have any
> massive problems with it either. I do agree with Victor that if we're going
> to do a name change it needs to happen as soon as humanly possible.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jose Luis Navarro <
> jlnavarro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Victor +1
>> El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:
>>
>>  Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>>>
>>> I understand the issue with the translation. >From what I understand (as
>>> french being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is
>>> Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or will be)
>>> translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper description of what
>>> Noise is in english.
>>>
>>> I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise.
>>> "bruit" is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is
>>> "bruit", it means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names
>>> aren't (or shouldn't?) be translated ;)
>>> (But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french
>>> anyway.)
>>>
>>> Lucas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there
>>> is two way to pronounce that :
>>> In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>>> In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>>> (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>>> I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Corentin Noël (tintou)
>>>
>>> Benjamin VanMeggelen ** a écrit :
>>>
>>> >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel
>>> that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo
>>> or some of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic
>>> and straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans ** wrote:
>>> >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational
>>> value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>>> >
>>> >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>>> >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>>> >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **
>>> >Don't we already present 

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Cassidy James]

Music gets a +1 from me as well. Honestly, I think that we either need to
keep it Noise or rename it to Music. Changing the name to anything else
really seems unnecessary at this point.

Regarding the generic name thing, I think that's something we should decide
on a per-app basis. Technically its generic name would be "Music Player"
but its app name would just be "Music". We can't just show genetic names
for the apps in the launcher by default, so this is probably the best route
and is what we've been doing with apps like Terminal and Files.

Again, I'm not opposed to Noise, but if we do change it, I think it should
just be Music.

Regards,
Cassidy James
On Nov 20, 2012 3:18 PM, "Cody Garver"  wrote:

> I'm for Music. I also think music is what development should center around
> and leave podcasts and maybe even radio to separate apps. Podcasts because
> they really need a store experience, otherwise you'd be better off just
> subscribing to them in an RSS aggregator.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "Daniel Foré" 
> wrote:
>
> Just my two cents:
>
> It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any
> longer haha.
>
> I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with
> "Music". Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO
> and (as previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.
>
> I didn't really intend Noise to be a serious name, but I don't have any
> massive problems with it either. I do agree with Victor that if we're going
> to do a name change it needs to happen as soon as humanly possible.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jose Luis Navarro <
> jlnavarro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Victor +1
>> El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:
>>
>>  Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>>>
>>> I understand the issue with the translation. >From what I understand (as
>>> french being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is
>>> Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or will be)
>>> translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper description of what
>>> Noise is in english.
>>>
>>> I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise.
>>> "bruit" is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is
>>> "bruit", it means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names
>>> aren't (or shouldn't?) be translated ;)
>>> (But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french
>>> anyway.)
>>>
>>> Lucas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there
>>> is two way to pronounce that :
>>> In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>>> In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>>> (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>>> I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Corentin Noël (tintou)
>>>
>>> Benjamin VanMeggelen ** a écrit :
>>>
>>> >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel
>>> that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo
>>> or some of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic
>>> and straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans ** wrote:
>>> >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational
>>> value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>>> >
>>> >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>>> >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>>> >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **
>>> >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the
>>> icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>>> >
>>> >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are
>>> going this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what
>>> the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the
>>> makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google
>>> Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a
>>> new name too.
>>> >
>>> >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name
>>> it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users.
>>> Renaming it again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>>> >
>>> >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the
>>> app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to
>>> "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>>> >
>>> >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>>> reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good
>>> reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be
>>> signif

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Cody Garver]

I'm for Music. I also think music is what development should center around
and leave podcasts and maybe even radio to separate apps. Podcasts because
they really need a store experience, otherwise you'd be better off just
subscribing to them in an RSS aggregator.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "Daniel Foré"  wrote:

Just my two cents:

It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any
longer haha.

I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with "Music".
Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO and (as
previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.

I didn't really intend Noise to be a serious name, but I don't have any
massive problems with it either. I do agree with Victor that if we're going
to do a name change it needs to happen as soon as humanly possible.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jose Luis Navarro
wrote:

> @Victor +1
> El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:
>
>  Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>>
>> I understand the issue with the translation. >From what I understand (as
>> french being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is
>> Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or will be)
>> translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper description of what
>> Noise is in english.
>>
>> I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise. "bruit"
>> is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is "bruit", it
>> means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names aren't (or
>> shouldn't?) be translated ;)
>> (But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french
>> anyway.)
>>
>> Lucas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there
>> is two way to pronounce that :
>> In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>> In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>> (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>> I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Corentin Noël (tintou)
>>
>> Benjamin VanMeggelen ** a écrit :
>>
>> >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel
>> that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo
>> or some of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic
>> and straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>> >
>> >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans ** wrote:
>> >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational
>> value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>> >
>> >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>> >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>> >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>> >
>> >
>> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **
>> >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the
>> icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>> >
>> >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are
>> going this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what
>> the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the
>> makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google
>> Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a
>> new name too.
>> >
>> >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name
>> it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users.
>> Renaming it again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>> >
>> >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the
>> app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to
>> "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>> >
>> >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>> reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good
>> reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be
>> significantly better than the old name, if you want to show the confused
>> users that it was really necessary and useful to make the change.
>> >
>> >Just my two cents,
>> >Jaap
>> >
>> >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes ** schreef:
>> >
>> >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player,
>> you know it.
>> >
>> >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in
>> the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most
>> people.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel ** wrote:
>> >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>> >
>> >--
>> >Jaap
>> >
>> >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" **schreef:
>> >
>> >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **:
>> >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>> >>
>> >>"Noise" is perceived as something

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Jaap Broekhuizen]

I am pretty sure that we already had the Generic Name discussion on this 
mailing list before?

Op di, nov 20, 2012 at 10:15 ,Sam Tate  schreef:
I'm all for just going the GNOME Direction and calling it "Music". This applies 
to all other apps (some are already like this, such as Files and Terminal). It 
is just so much simpler for the user to see something like "Web" rather than 
"Midori" (which has nothing to do with the web).

So yeah, "Music" ftw.


On 20 November 2012 21:05, Daniel Foré  wrote:
Just my two cents:

It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any longer 
haha.

I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with "Music". 
Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO and (as 
previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.

I didn't really intend Noise to be a serious name, but I don't have any massive 
problems with it either. I do agree with Victor that if we're going to do a 
name change it needs to happen as soon as humanly possible.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jose Luis Navarro  
wrote:
@Victor +1

El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:

Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
I understand the issue with the translation. >From what I understand (as french 
being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is Bruit. I'm 
not sure if the application titles have been (or will be) translated, but if so 
"Bruit" gives the same proper description of what Noise is in english.
I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise. "bruit" is 
just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is "bruit", it means 
that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names aren't (or shouldn't?) be 
translated ;)
(But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french 
anyway.)

Lucas


On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël  wrote:
Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there is two 
way to pronounce that :
In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel (no-ise) 
so it's not that good for us.
I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.

Regards,
Corentin Noël (tintou)

Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :

>I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel that 
>this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo or some 
>of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic and 
>straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>
>On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational value, 
>so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>
>On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>
>
>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen 
>Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the icon 
>have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>
>IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are going 
>this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what the app 
>does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the makers of 
>Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, 
>Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a new name 
>too.
>
>When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it 
>"Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming it 
>again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>
>There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the app, or 
>that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to "Tempo", or any 
>other name for that matter. 
>
>IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason to, 
>and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i think. 
>Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be significantly better 
>than the old name, if you want to show the confused users that it was really 
>necessary and useful to make the change.
>
>Just my two cents,
>Jaap
>
>Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
>
>It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player, you 
>know it.
>
>For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in the 
>computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most people.
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
>What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>
>--
>Jaap
>
>"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>
>>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>>
>>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), t

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Sam Tate]

I'm all for just going the GNOME Direction and calling it "Music". This
applies to all other apps (some are already like this, such as Files and
Terminal). It is just so much simpler for the user to see something like
"Web" rather than "Midori" (which has nothing to do with the web).

So yeah, "Music" ftw.


On 20 November 2012 21:05, Daniel Foré  wrote:

> Just my two cents:
>
> It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any
> longer haha.
>
> I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with
> "Music". Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO
> and (as previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.
>
> I didn't really intend Noise to be a serious name, but I don't have any
> massive problems with it either. I do agree with Victor that if we're going
> to do a name change it needs to happen as soon as humanly possible.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jose Luis Navarro <
> jlnavarro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Victor +1
>> El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:
>>
>>  Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>>>
>>> I understand the issue with the translation. >From what I understand (as
>>> french being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is
>>> Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or will be)
>>> translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper description of what
>>> Noise is in english.
>>>
>>> I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise.
>>> "bruit" is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is
>>> "bruit", it means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names
>>> aren't (or shouldn't?) be translated ;)
>>> (But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french
>>> anyway.)
>>>
>>> Lucas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there
>>> is two way to pronounce that :
>>> In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>>> In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>>> (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>>> I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Corentin Noël (tintou)
>>>
>>> Benjamin VanMeggelen ** a écrit :
>>>
>>> >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel
>>> that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo
>>> or some of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic
>>> and straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans ** wrote:
>>> >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational
>>> value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>>> >
>>> >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>>> >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>>> >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **
>>> >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the
>>> icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>>> >
>>> >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are
>>> going this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what
>>> the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the
>>> makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google
>>> Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a
>>> new name too.
>>> >
>>> >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name
>>> it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users.
>>> Renaming it again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>>> >
>>> >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the
>>> app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to
>>> "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>>> >
>>> >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>>> reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good
>>> reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be
>>> significantly better than the old name, if you want to show the confused
>>> users that it was really necessary and useful to make the change.
>>> >
>>> >Just my two cents,
>>> >Jaap
>>> >
>>> >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes ** schreef:
>>> >
>>> >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
>>> player, you know it.
>>> >
>>> >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in
>>> the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most
>>> people.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel ** wrote:
>>> >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >Jaap
>>> >
>>> >"Sergey "Shnat

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Daniel Foré]

Just my two cents:

It'd be really easy to just call it "Music" and not worry about it any
longer haha.

I don't think we should translate the name unless we're going with "Music".
Translating a "branded" name would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO and (as
previously pointed out) could lead to some not-so-nice translations.

I didn't really intend Noise to be a serious name, but I don't have any
massive problems with it either. I do agree with Victor that if we're going
to do a name change it needs to happen as soon as humanly possible.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jose Luis Navarro
wrote:

> @Victor +1
> El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:
>
>  Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>>
>> I understand the issue with the translation. >From what I understand (as
>> french being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is
>> Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or will be)
>> translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper description of what
>> Noise is in english.
>>
>> I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise. "bruit"
>> is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is "bruit", it
>> means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names aren't (or
>> shouldn't?) be translated ;)
>> (But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french
>> anyway.)
>>
>> Lucas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there
>> is two way to pronounce that :
>> In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>> In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>> (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>> I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Corentin Noël (tintou)
>>
>> Benjamin VanMeggelen ** a écrit :
>>
>> >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel
>> that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo
>> or some of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic
>> and straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>> >
>> >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans ** wrote:
>> >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational
>> value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>> >
>> >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>> >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>> >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>> >
>> >
>> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **
>> >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the
>> icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>> >
>> >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are
>> going this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what
>> the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the
>> makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google
>> Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a
>> new name too.
>> >
>> >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name
>> it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users.
>> Renaming it again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>> >
>> >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the
>> app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to
>> "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>> >
>> >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>> reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good
>> reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be
>> significantly better than the old name, if you want to show the confused
>> users that it was really necessary and useful to make the change.
>> >
>> >Just my two cents,
>> >Jaap
>> >
>> >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes ** schreef:
>> >
>> >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player,
>> you know it.
>> >
>> >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in
>> the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most
>> people.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel ** wrote:
>> >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>> >
>> >--
>> >Jaap
>> >
>> >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" **schreef:
>> >
>> >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **:
>> >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>> >>
>> >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>> >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>> >>OS architect @ elementary
>> >--
>> >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
>> >Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
>> >Unsubscribe : h

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Jose Luis Navarro]

@Victor +1
El 19/11/2012 19:42, "xapantu"  escribió:

>  Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>
> I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand (as
> french being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is
> Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or will be)
> translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper description of what
> Noise is in english.
>
> I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise. "bruit"
> is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is "bruit", it
> means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names aren't (or
> shouldn't?) be translated ;)
> (But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french
> anyway.)
>
> Lucas
>
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
> wrote:
>
> Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there
> is two way to pronounce that :
> In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
> (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>
> Regards,
> Corentin Noël (tintou)
>
> Benjamin VanMeggelen ** a écrit :
>
> >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel
> that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo
> or some of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic
> and straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
> >
> >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans ** wrote:
> >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational
> value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
> >
> >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> >
> >
> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **
> >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the
> icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
> >
> >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are
> going this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what
> the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the
> makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google
> Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a
> new name too.
> >
> >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it
> "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming
> it again will only yet again result in more confusion.
> >
> >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the
> app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to
> "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
> >
> >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason
> to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i
> think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be
> significantly better than the old name, if you want to show the confused
> users that it was really necessary and useful to make the change.
> >
> >Just my two cents,
> >Jaap
> >
> >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes ** schreef:
> >
> >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player,
> you know it.
> >
> >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in
> the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most
> people.
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel ** wrote:
> >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
> >
> >--
> >Jaap
> >
> >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" **schreef:
> >
> >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen **:
> >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> >>
> >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
> >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
> >>OS architect @ elementary
> >--
> >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
> >Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
> >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
> >More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
> >Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
> >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
> >More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Best Regards,
> >Chris Triantafillis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
> >Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
> >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
> >More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
> **
>
>
>

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[xapantu]

Le 19/11/2012 17:43, Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand 
(as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to 
french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or 
will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper 
description of what Noise is in english.
I hope it doesn't, IIRC "bruit" is much more negative than noise. 
"bruit" is just something you don't want to hear, when you say music is 
"bruit", it means that the music is very, very bad. And no, the names 
aren't (or shouldn't?) be translated ;)
(But as Corentin said, "noise" is not much better than "bruit" is french 
anyway.)


Lucas



On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël  wrote:
Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) 
there is two way to pronounce that :

In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel 
(no-ise) so it's not that good for us.

I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.

Regards,
Corentin Noël (tintou)

Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :

>I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I 
feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as 
opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned. 
Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is 
meant to do.

>
>On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in 
communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.

>
>On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>
>
>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
>Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't 
the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?

>
>IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are 
going this way with Noise because the name should directly show 
people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori 
too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, 
Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably 
have to start to think about a new name too.

>
>When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to 
name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the 
users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more confusion.

>
>There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for 
the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it 
to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.

>
>IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good 
reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good 
reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name 
should be significantly better than the old name, if you want to show 
the confused users that it was really necessary and useful to make 
the change.

>
>Just my two cents,
>Jaap
>
>Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
>
>It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media 
player, you know it.

>
>For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under 
in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier 
for most people.

>
>
>On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
>What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>
>--
>Jaap
>
>"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>
>>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>>
>>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Jaap Broekhuizen]

@David:
Just "Midori". But I can recall a discussion on this mailing list about calling 
certain important apps "File Browser" and "Web Browser" in slingshot, among 
others. I don't know what the result of that discussion was though.

@Victor:
Well, we already have a few thousand users, and renaming a core app like that 
will create confusion. Sure we are still pretty far away from an actual 
release, but there are already a lot of people using the beta. If you are going 
to change the name, the appropriate press and social media will have to be used 
to be clear about this. So: a journal post, facebook, twitter and google plus, 
and if we are lucky, an OMG! Ubuntu post. I am also pretty sure that when you 
are going to rename your app on launchpad you will have issues that you did not 
think of before, just because launchpad is not the most user friendly website, 
with features hidden all over the place. 

That, plus the renaming of every branding and package etcetera just looks like 
a lot of hassle, if the only issue is that there are a few people who don't 
really like the name, like you say.

Unless there is a big group of people who are actually considering not using 
Noise, just because the name might have a negative tendency, i don't think that 
is really a valid reason to change the name.

Still, Melody is also a cool name, and if you really like that name better, and 
you want to go through all the hassle and journal posts etcetera to clarify it, 
I'm not going to stop you ;)

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Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 6:27 ,David Gomes  schreef:
I thought we were doing it already, what is Midori installed under?


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Alfredo Hernández  
wrote:
David, if we did that with Noise, it should be done with every elementary 
application.

El 19/11/2012 18:02, "David Gomes"  escribió:

I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all effects, 
but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva 
 wrote:
I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
and so not translatable.

I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
don't use FB.

Those are my two cents on this matter.

On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
> (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
> french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
> will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> description of what Noise is in english.
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
> wrote:
> > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
> > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
> > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> >
> > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> >
> > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
> > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
> > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
> > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
> > meant to do.
> > >
> > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > hassle.
> > >
> > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> > >
> > >
> > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
> > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
> > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
> > does?
> > >
> > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
> > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
> > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
> > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
> > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
> > ha

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Osman Alperen Elhan]

On Mon 19 Nov 2012 07:50:49 PM EET, Victor Eduardo wrote:
> Thanks for your replies, I agree with most of the comments. Some
> clarifications:
>
>  1. I'm not proposing Tempo as the new name. We'd still need to
> evaluate alternatives. If it were my choice I would have re-named
> the player to "Melody" a long time ago.
>  2. Currently, the _only reason_ motivating the rename is the negative
> connotation of the word "noise" in its primary meaning: /Sound or
> a sound that is loud, unpleasant, unexpected, or undesired/. Of
> course this is not a problem if you think of the word as in "music
> genre". This is not a problem in other languages either, since app
> names are not translated.
>  3. I decided to name the (BeatBox) fork "Noise" because that's the
> name Daniel's mockups were using initially, and it was fine until
> people heard about it and started complaining about the negative
> feeling conveyed by the new name.
>
>
> In conclusion, the primary motivation behind this proposal is having a
> more marketable name. In my humble opinion, "creating confusion" is
> not really a solid argument against; Luna is still in beta stage and
> we are still free to move our pieces before the final release.
>
> On the technical side, as far as I know, Launchpad is smart enough to
> update all the non-external links (blueprints, etc.) after renaming
> the project. Updating the code wouldn't take more than 2-3 hours of my
> time, or Corentin's time, at a rough estimation. It shouldn't take
> much time on the packager's either.
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, David Gomes  > wrote:
>
> I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for
> all effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva
> mailto:dardeve...@cidadecool.com>> wrote:
>
> I think that translating names would only make sense if the
> names were
> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are
> primary nouns
> and so not translatable.
>
> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point,
> else then
> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already
> changed once,
> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again
> may just
> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened
> again. Even
> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when
> the name
> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium
> which a
> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem
> does not
> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones
> that
> don't use FB.
>
> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>
> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I
> understand
> > (as french being my second language) the translation from
> Noise to
> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have
> been (or
> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> > description of what Noise is in english.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël
> mailto:tin...@mailoo.org>>
> > wrote:
> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language
> (french)
> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an
> double voyel
> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> > >
> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> > >
> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the
> player. I
> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the
> player, as
> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been
> mentioned.
> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what
> the app is
> > > meant to do.
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > > hassle.
> > > >
> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Victor Eduardo]

Thanks for your replies, I agree with most of the comments. Some
clarifications:


   1. I'm not proposing Tempo as the new name. We'd still need to evaluate
   alternatives. If it were my choice I would have re-named the player to
   "Melody" a long time ago.
   2. Currently, the *only reason* motivating the rename is the negative
   connotation of the word "noise" in its primary meaning: *Sound or a
   sound that is loud, unpleasant, unexpected, or undesired*. Of course
   this is not a problem if you think of the word as in "music genre". This is
   not a problem in other languages either, since app names are not translated.
   3. I decided to name the (BeatBox) fork "Noise" because that's the name
   Daniel's mockups were using initially, and it was fine until people heard
   about it and started complaining about the negative feeling conveyed by the
   new name.


In conclusion, the primary motivation behind this proposal is having a more
marketable name. In my humble opinion, "creating confusion" is not really a
solid argument against; Luna is still in beta stage and we are still free
to move our pieces before the final release.

On the technical side, as far as I know, Launchpad is smart enough to
update all the non-external links (blueprints, etc.) after renaming the
project. Updating the code wouldn't take more than 2-3 hours of my time, or
Corentin's time, at a rough estimation. It shouldn't take much time on the
packager's either.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, David Gomes wrote:

> I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all
> effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <
> dardeve...@cidadecool.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
>> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
>> and so not translatable.
>>
>> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
>> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
>> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
>> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
>> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
>> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
>> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
>> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
>> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
>> don't use FB.
>>
>> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
>> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
>> > (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
>> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
>> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
>> > description of what Noise is in english.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>> > wrote:
>> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
>> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
>> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
>> > >
>> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
>> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
>> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
>> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
>> > > meant to do.
>> > > >
>> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
>> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
>> > > hassle.
>> > > >
>> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
>> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
>> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
>> > > does?
>> > > >
>> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
>> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
>> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
>> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
>> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
>> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
>> > > >
>> > > >When we moved from Beatbo

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[David Gomes]

I thought we were doing it already, what is Midori installed under?


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Alfredo Hernández <
aldomann.desi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> David, if we did that with Noise, it should be done with every elementary
> application.
> El 19/11/2012 18:02, "David Gomes"  escribió:
>
> I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all
>> effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <
>> dardeve...@cidadecool.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
>>> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
>>> and so not translatable.
>>>
>>> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
>>> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
>>> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
>>> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
>>> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
>>> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
>>> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
>>> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
>>> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
>>> don't use FB.
>>>
>>> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
>>> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
>>> > (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
>>> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
>>> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
>>> > description of what Noise is in english.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
>>> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
>>> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>>> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>>> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>>> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
>>> > >
>>> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>>> > >
>>> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
>>> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
>>> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
>>> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
>>> > > meant to do.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>>> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
>>> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
>>> > > hassle.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>>> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>>> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
>>> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
>>> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
>>> > > does?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
>>> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
>>> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
>>> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
>>> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
>>> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
>>> > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
>>> > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
>>> > > confusion.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
>>> > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
>>> > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>>> > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
>>> > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
>>> > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
>>> > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
>>> > > to make the change.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Just my two cents,
>>> > > >Jaap
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
>>> > > player, you know it.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Alfredo Hernández]

David, if we did that with Noise, it should be done with every elementary
application.
El 19/11/2012 18:02, "David Gomes"  escribió:

> I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all
> effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <
> dardeve...@cidadecool.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
>> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
>> and so not translatable.
>>
>> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
>> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
>> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
>> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
>> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
>> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
>> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
>> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
>> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
>> don't use FB.
>>
>> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
>> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
>> > (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
>> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
>> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
>> > description of what Noise is in english.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
>> > wrote:
>> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
>> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
>> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
>> > >
>> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
>> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
>> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
>> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
>> > > meant to do.
>> > > >
>> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
>> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
>> > > hassle.
>> > > >
>> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
>> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
>> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
>> > > does?
>> > > >
>> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
>> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
>> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
>> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
>> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
>> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
>> > > >
>> > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
>> > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
>> > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
>> > > confusion.
>> > > >
>> > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
>> > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
>> > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>> > > >
>> > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>> > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
>> > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
>> > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
>> > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
>> > > to make the change.
>> > > >
>> > > >Just my two cents,
>> > > >Jaap
>> > > >
>> > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
>> > > >
>> > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
>> > > player, you know it.
>> > > >
>> > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
>> > > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's
>> > > easier for most people.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
>> > > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>> >

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[David Gomes]

I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all
effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <
dardeve...@cidadecool.com> wrote:

> I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
> and so not translatable.
>
> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
> don't use FB.
>
> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>
> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
> > (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> > description of what Noise is in english.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
> > wrote:
> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> > >
> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> > >
> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
> > > meant to do.
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > > hassle.
> > > >
> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
> > > does?
> > > >
> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
> > > >
> > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
> > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
> > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
> > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
> > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
> > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
> > > >
> > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
> > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
> > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
> > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
> > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
> > > to make the change.
> > > >
> > > >Just my two cents,
> > > >Jaap
> > > >
> > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
> > > >
> > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
> > > player, you know it.
> > > >
> > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
> > > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's
> > > easier for most people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
> > > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Jaap
> > > >
> > > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
> > > >
> > > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> > > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> > > >>
> > > >>"Noise" is perceived as something negati

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Benjamin VanMeggelen]

Those are pretty much my thoughts as well.. I don't think renaming the app
for a third time would be productive at this point... It will probably just
lead to more confusion.
On Nov 19, 2012 11:57 AM, "Darcy Brás da Silva" 
wrote:

> I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
> and so not translatable.
>
> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
> don't use FB.
>
> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>
> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
> > (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> > description of what Noise is in english.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
> > wrote:
> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> > >
> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> > >
> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
> > > meant to do.
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > > hassle.
> > > >
> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
> > > does?
> > > >
> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
> > > >
> > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
> > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
> > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
> > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
> > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
> > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
> > > >
> > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
> > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
> > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
> > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
> > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
> > > to make the change.
> > > >
> > > >Just my two cents,
> > > >Jaap
> > > >
> > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
> > > >
> > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
> > > player, you know it.
> > > >
> > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
> > > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's
> > > easier for most people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
> > > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Jaap
> > > >
> > > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
> > > >
> > > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> > > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> > > >>
> > > >>"Noise" is perceived as something n

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Darcy Brás da Silva]

I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
and so not translatable. 

I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
don't use FB.

Those are my two cents on this matter.

On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
> (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
> french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
> will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> description of what Noise is in english.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël 
> wrote:
> > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
> > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
> > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> > 
> > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> > 
> > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
> > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
> > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
> > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
> > meant to do.
> > >
> > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > hassle.
> > >
> > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> > >
> > >
> > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen 
> > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
> > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
> > does?
> > >
> > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
> > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
> > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
> > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
> > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
> > have to start to think about a new name too.
> > >
> > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
> > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
> > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
> > confusion.
> > >
> > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
> > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
> > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter. 
> > >
> > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
> > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
> > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
> > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
> > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
> > to make the change.
> > >
> > >Just my two cents,
> > >Jaap
> > >
> > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
> > >
> > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
> > player, you know it.
> > >
> > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
> > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's
> > easier for most people.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
> > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jaap
> > >
> > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
> > >
> > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> > >>
> > >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of
> > people
> > >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
> > >>OS architect @ elementary
> > >--
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Benjamin VanMeggelen]

I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand (as french 
being my second language) the translation from Noise to french is Bruit. I'm 
not sure if the application titles have been (or will be) translated, but if so 
"Bruit" gives the same proper description of what Noise is in english.


On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël  wrote:
Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there is two 
way to pronounce that :
In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel (no-ise) 
so it's not that good for us.
I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.

Regards,
Corentin Noël (tintou)

Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :

>I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel that 
>this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo or some 
>of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic and 
>straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>
>On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational value, 
>so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>
>On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>
>
>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen 
>Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the icon 
>have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>
>IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are going 
>this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what the app 
>does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the makers of 
>Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, 
>Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a new name 
>too.
>
>When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it 
>"Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming it 
>again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>
>There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the app, or 
>that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to "Tempo", or any 
>other name for that matter. 
>
>IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason to, 
>and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i think. 
>Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be significantly better 
>than the old name, if you want to show the confused users that it was really 
>necessary and useful to make the change.
>
>Just my two cents,
>Jaap
>
>Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
>
>It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player, you 
>know it.
>
>For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in the 
>computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most people.
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
>What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>
>--
>Jaap
>
>"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>
>>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>>
>>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>>
>>--
>>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>OS architect @ elementary
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Corentin Noël]

Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french) there is two 
way to pronounce that :
In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel (no-ise) 
so it's not that good for us.
I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.

Regards,
Corentin Noël (tintou)

Benjamin VanMeggelen  a écrit :

>I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel that 
>this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo or some 
>of the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic and 
>straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.
>
>On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans  
>wrote:
>I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational value, 
>so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.
>
>On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>
>
>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen 
>Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the icon 
>have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>
>IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are going 
>this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what the app 
>does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the makers of 
>Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, 
>Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a new name 
>too.
>
>When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it 
>"Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming it 
>again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>
>There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the app, or 
>that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to "Tempo", or any 
>other name for that matter. 
>
>IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason to, 
>and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i think. 
>Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be significantly better 
>than the old name, if you want to show the confused users that it was really 
>necessary and useful to make the change.
>
>Just my two cents,
>Jaap
>
>Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes  schreef:
>
>It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player, you 
>know it.
>
>For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in the 
>computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most people.
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel  
>wrote:
>What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>
>--
>Jaap
>
>"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>
>>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>>
>>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>>
>>--
>>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>OS architect @ elementary
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Benjamin VanMeggelen]

I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I feel that this 
naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as opposed to Tempo or some of 
the others that have been mentioned. Noise seems more generic and 
straight-forward as to what the app is meant to do.

On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans  
wrote:
I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational value, so 
definitely not worth the effort and hassle.

On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...


2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen 
Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the icon 
have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?

IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are going this 
way with Noise because the name should directly show people what the app does, 
we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the makers of Empathy, 
Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, 
Clementine should probably have to start to think about a new name too.

When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it 
"Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming it 
again will only yet again result in more confusion.

There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the app, or 
that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to "Tempo", or any 
other name for that matter. 

IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason to, 
and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i think. 
Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be significantly better 
than the old name, if you want to show the confused users that it was really 
necessary and useful to make the change.

Just my two cents,
Jaap

Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes  schreef:

It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player, you 
know it.

For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in the 
computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most people.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel  
wrote:
What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...

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"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:

>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>
>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Felix Akkermans]

I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in communicational 
value, so definitely not worth the effort and hassle.


On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:

I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...


2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen mailto:jaap...@gmail.com>>

Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player?
Doesn't the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app
probably does?

IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
are going this way with Noise because the name should directly
show people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and
Midori too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam,
Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should
probably have to start to think about a new name too.

When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more confusion.

There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.

IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
to make the change.

Just my two cents,
Jaap

Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes mailto:da...@elementaryos.org>> schreef:


It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
player, you know it.

For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that.
It's easier for most people.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel
mailto:jaap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...

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"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" mailto:ser...@elementaryos.org>>schreef:

>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen mailto:jaap...@gmail.com>>:
>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>
>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind
of people
>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Chris Triantafillis]

I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...


2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen 

> Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the
> icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?
>
> IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are going
> this way with Noise because the name should directly show people what the
> app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the makers of
> Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus,
> Banshee, Clementine should probably have to start to think about a new name
> too.
>
> When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it
> "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming
> it again will only yet again result in more confusion.
>
> There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the
> app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to
> "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>
> IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason
> to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i
> think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be
> significantly better than the old name, if you want to show the confused
> users that it was really necessary and useful to make the change.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Jaap
>
> Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes  schreef:
>
> It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player,
> you know it.
>
> For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in
> the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most
> people.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel <
> jaap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>>
>> --
>> Jaap
>>
>> "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>>
>> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>> >> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>> >
>> >"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>> >who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>> >
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Jaap Broekhuizen]

Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't the icon 
have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably does?

IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we are going this 
way with Noise because the name should directly show people what the app does, 
we should probably rename Geary and Midori too. And the makers of Empathy, 
Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox, Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, 
Clementine should probably have to start to think about a new name too.

When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to name it 
"Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the users. Renaming it 
again will only yet again result in more confusion.

There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for the app, or 
that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename it to "Tempo", or any 
other name for that matter. 

IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good reason to, 
and some users complaining it may sound negative is a good reason, i think. 
Also when you choose to rename it, the new name should be significantly better 
than the old name, if you want to show the confused users that it was really 
necessary and useful to make the change.

Just my two cents,
Jaap

Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes  schreef:
It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player, you 
know it.

For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in the 
computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most people.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel  
wrote:
What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...

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"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:

>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>
>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[David Gomes]

It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media player,
you know it.

For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed under in the
computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's easier for most
people.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel <
jaap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>
> --
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>
> "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>
> >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> >> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> >
> >"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
> >who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
> >
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

There's a facebook poll somewhere but I don't have an account so I
can't access it.

2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel :
> What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>
> --
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>
> "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>
>>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>>
>>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>>
>>--
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>>OS architect @ elementary



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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel]

What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...

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"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:

>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>
>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?

"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of people
who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Alfredo Hernández]

I suppose it's because of the Noise-Beatbox issue.
El 19/11/2012 13:14, "Jaap Broekhuizen"  escribió:

> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Victor Eduardo 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> many months ago we were discussing the possibility of renaming 
>> Noiseto something else. If I recall correctly, 
>> there was a Facebook poll that
>> resulted in *"Tempo"* being the preferred name.
>>
>> The blueprint is 
>> here
>> .
>>
>> I think that if we're ever going to do this, it needs to happen before *Luna
>> beta-2.*
>> *
>> *
>> What are your thoughts on the topic?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Victor
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Renaming Noise

[Jaap Broekhuizen]

Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?

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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Victor Eduardo wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> many months ago we were discussing the possibility of renaming 
> Noiseto something else. If I recall correctly, 
> there was a Facebook poll that
> resulted in *"Tempo"* being the preferred name.
>
> The blueprint is 
> here
> .
>
> I think that if we're ever going to do this, it needs to happen before *Luna
> beta-2.*
> *
> *
> What are your thoughts on the topic?
>
> Regards,
> Victor
>
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