Re: [O] Favorite way of syncing?

[Paul Rudin]

Eric S Fraga  writes:

> On Friday, 11 Sep 2015 at 18:42, Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I use syncthing (https://syncthing.net/) which, admittedly, does not
>> require a server nor uses SSH :-). I keep four computers in sync this way,
>> and also use it to send/receive the org files (with MobileOrg) to/from
>
> Thanks for the heads up on this.  The only thing I use Dropbox for is
> MobileOrg and I would love to avoid using a proprietary *and* closed
> system, especially as some of the content is sensitive.

If the content is sensitive you can either encrypt the data yourself
before it goes to Dropbox (see e.g. ecryptfs) or use a service that does
this as part of its process (see e.g. spideroak).

Not that I have anything against doing thing other ways - I'm just
pointing out that privacy concerns don't, of themselves, mean you can't
use Dropbox (or similar).

Re: [O] Favorite way of syncing?

[Paul Rudin]

Tobias Frischholz  writes:

> Hey there!
>
> I was wondering what is your favorite way of syncing your org files and
> everything.
> I’ve checked out unison, but I want more of an automated system that
> synchronizes my two clients via an SSH server.
>
> So far, I’ve also read that people use TRAMP in conjunction with an SSH Server
> (and work exclusively on this SSH server).
> I’ve also read about org-sync and magit (git is an option for me).
> And now I’m starting the get confused.
>
> Any helpful thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
>

Dropbox (or similar) client on both machines?

Re: [O] export subtree as org file

[Paul Rudin]

Xebar Saram zelt...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi

 i was wondering if anyone knows how to export a subtree as a simple org file.
 i know i can copy paste into a new file but it seems quick to just export a
 subtree to a new org file :)



Narrow to subtree (C-x n s) then export to org (C-c C-e o o).

Re: [O] How to make a non-GPL Org-mode exporter?

[Paul Rudin]

Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes:

 Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes:

 Hi all,

 after a short discussion in a recent thread, I have a serious technical
 question.

 Assume that (for some reason) I want to write an Org-mode exporter which
 won't be GPL'd.  (Use-case: having written a few custom exporters, I'm
 writing a tutorial on them, and I consider publishing a *tutorial* with
 GPL'd code a Bad Thing™.  (The idea of a programming tutorial is that
 other people can or even should reuse the code in the tutorial, right?
 And I see no reason to impose GPL on them.))

 How do I do that?  Is that even possible?  Also, is it possible to get
 an actual answer to this question without spending money on lawyers?

 Like I said in an earlier message just a few minutes ago, you can do it,
 but you can't use org.el or Elisp at all, unless you implement your own
 Elisp engine that you call.

AIUI, in the UK at least this isn't correct. There is no infringement of
copyright by writing and distributing your own elisp (or any other
language) code.

Whether or not somebody else chooses to use a particular elisp
implementation to run that code is up to them. But you don't have any
liability simply by using the language.

Re: [O] timeline view - showing times

[Paul Rudin]

Subhan Michael Tindall subh...@familycareinc.org writes:

 This is probably overkill, but I use this:
 (setq org-agenda-custom-commands (quote (
  (c Clock ((agenda  
 ((org-agenda-sticky nil)

 (org-agenda-ndays 1)

 (org-agenda-span-1)

 (org-agenda-use-time-grid t)

 (org-agenda-show-log (quote clockcheck))

 (org-agenda-clockreport nil
 This gives me a handy dandy report like this:

That's great, thanks. Just what I need.

I took the time grid bit out, as I find it a bit confusing that the grid
lines for times that happen during an activity line comes after the end
of the activity. I suppose changing that would involve splitting a
contiguous activity at the grid lines.

Re: [O] timeline view - showing times

[Paul Rudin]

Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes:

 On 2015-02-09, at 18:43, Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote:

 If I type C-c a L I get a list of durations for each day - for example:

 Monday  9 February 2015 W07
   Clocked:   (0:53) Revise document X
   Clocked:   (1:12) Meet Fred
   ...

 Wow.  I don't get this behavior, though I'd like to.  Is this the default?


I think so, although conceivably I have some customisation that's
changed things from the default.

What do you see if you select timeline from the agenda commands?

[O] timeline view - showing times

[Paul Rudin]

If I type C-c a L I get a list of durations for each day - for example:

Monday  9 February 2015 W07
  Clocked:   (0:53) Revise document X
  Clocked:   (1:12) Meet Fred
  ...

Is there a way of getting a timeline that includes the actual times of
day, so that I can reconstruct how I spent a day from the timestamps?

So you might see something like:

Monday  9 February 2015 W07
  9:23--9:45: Revise document X
  9:45--10:57: Meet Fred
  ...
  13:00--13:31: Revise document X


Thanks.

Re: [O] Hiring a programmer

[Paul Rudin]

Yuri Niyazov yuri.niya...@gmail.com writes:

 I'd like to hire a programmer to hack on some things in org-mode for
 my use. If these improvements are contributed back the main org-mode
 repository, would the copyright assignment have to come from me, or
 from the programmer?

It depends on who owns the copyright. If you care about the answer then
you should be explicit about this in your agreement with the
programmer. 

In the absence of specific agreement then in many jurisdictions the
substantive copyright would be owned by you.

Re: [O] OT: Gmail and cloud-dependencies

[Paul Rudin]

Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes:

 * Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote:
 Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes:

 * Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote:

 But you can pull all your email out of gmail via pop or imap, so
 it's not like you'll lose your emails. 

 There are cases where people lost access to Gmail instantly because
 of false accusations or idendity theft. You have to prepare *now*
 for not losing yous emails if you don't synchronize often.

 Sure, but that kind of thing could happen with pretty much any third
 party service.

 Yes. That's the point, when you do not consider open source services
 as third party services.

Aren't you mixing up two different things here? Suppose google were to
open source all the code behind gmail. That wouldn't really change the
situation for users if the service suddenly disappeared.

Re: [O] OT: Gmail and cloud-dependencies

[Paul Rudin]

Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes:

 * Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote:

 But you can pull all your email out of gmail via pop or imap, so
 it's not like you'll lose your emails. 

 There are cases where people lost access to Gmail instantly because
 of false accusations or idendity theft. You have to prepare *now*
 for not losing yous emails if you don't synchronize often.

Sure, but that kind of thing could happen with pretty much any third
party service.

 At worst you'd lose your email address (although if you register a
 domain name then you can keep your email address and still use
 gmail for as long as it's there and some other provider later).

 You'll lose some more. At least you are going to lose your labels
 AFAIR.


Labels map to mailboxes if you access your gmail via imap IIRC, so you
don't really lose that information.

Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data

[Paul Rudin]

Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes:

 On 2015-01-01, at 17:22, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote:

 * Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl wrote:

 On 2014-12-31, at 14:49, Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, google is very convenient.

 That's why they're so dangerous.

 In case you're survey data contains privacy-related sensible data,
 you can not use Google anyhow - I do think that there's no need to
 mention this explicitly in this community.

 Yes, but not only this.  You get accustomed to a nice service, like
 Google Reader, and then boom! and it disappears.  How could one rely on
 Gmail now?


Well - you can't rely on anyone else beyond that which they're
contractually (or statutorily) obliged to provide (and even then they
might go out of business). But you can pull all your email out of gmail
via pop or imap, so it's not like you'll lose your emails. At worst
you'd lose your email address (although if you register a domain name
then you can keep your email address and still use gmail for as long as
it's there and some other provider later).

On the privacy point, you can send encrypted data via non-secure email
providers.

Re: [O] Efficiency of Org v. LaTeX v. Word

[Paul Rudin]

M elwood...@web.de writes:

 Von: Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk
 
 No mention of emacs... who uses anything else to prepare their LaTeX?
 
 Did you forget the  ;-) or are you serious?

I wasn't being entirely serious; but I was alluding to a serious
point. You can't really compare a command line typesetting system alone
with a word processor. To make a proper comparison you'd have to look at
the complete toolchain.

For example, some of the errors are typos. Word, of course, has a speil
chucker. Did the LaTeX users use an editor that highlights such errors?

But as others have pointed out the more fundamental problem with the
study is that it tries to assess secretarial or copy-editing skills
rather than authoring skills.

(I haven't actually read the paper, just what has been said in this
thread.)

Re: [O] Efficiency of Org v. LaTeX v. Word

[Paul Rudin]

Ken Mankoff mank...@gmail.com writes:

 People here might be interested in a publication from [2014-12-19 Fri]
 available at http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0115069

 Title: An Efficiency Comparison of Document Preparation Systems Used
 in Academic Research and Development

 Summary: Word users are more efficient and have less errors than even
 experienced LaTeX users.

 Someone here should repeat experiment and add Org into the mix, perhaps
 Org - ODT and/or Org - LaTeX and see if it helps or hurts. I assume
 Org would trump LaTeX, but would Org - ODT or Org - X - DOCX (via
 pandoc) beat straight Word?


No mention of emacs... who uses anything else to prepare their LaTeX?

Re: [O] [html-export question] location with JS.

[Paul Rudin]

Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes:

 Hi,

 For my CV I'm trying to place a box (div, whatever) at the left edge of
 the content-div.  My org-file looks like

 - year0–year1 :: FooCorp
   - note1
   - note2 {{{BOL(year½)}}}

 And I want the ouput to look like:

 year0–year1FooCorp
 - note1
 year½   - note2

 In the attached example I have the desired output for LaTeX, and the
 output for html is also fine *as long as you don't zoom*.  The issue is
 that the javascript that I use absolute position in pixels, and the
 browser doesn't update the location when zooming...

 Any ideas on how to solve this?

Hoping for pixel perfect rendering for html is fraught with difficulty -
it's not really designed for that sort of thing. If that's what you want
then you may be better off producing a pdf.

Re: [O] Cooperating with oneself using the cloud?

[Paul Rudin]

Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes:

 Hi!

 * Christoph Groth christ...@grothesque.org wrote:
 If at least one of your computers can be reached from all the others via
 ssh, or you can reach all the other computers from one (i.e. there’s a
 star topology), you could use unison to synchronize all kinds of files.
 This works very reliably and handles modifications in both directions.

 I can copy that.

I can't see the original post, but fwiw, I leave loads of stuff on a
Dropbox drive - this can include git repositories, so it's not an
alternative to using e.g. github, but in addition. 

As long as you're the only person modifying stuff there are no problems
(that I've experienced) with working on multiple machines this way.

If you're worried about the security of services like Dropbox (or
interception between your machines and theirs) then you can combine this
with something like ecryptfs. Only the lower (encrypted) data is sent
over the wire to Dropbox. I understand that there are some services that
do this by default - the client itself does the encryption locally using
a key that does not get transmitted - before sending to the
cloud. You're completely *!%$£ if you forget your key, but that's
another story.

[O] odt import

[Paul Rudin]

The org info file includes the words OpenDocument Text (ODT) export
allows seamless collaboration across organizational boundaries. The
export to odt is great and goes part of the way, but for true seamless
collaboration you really need to be able to go both ways.

Does anyone have a way of converting odt-org and back again? I suppose
there would be some difficulties; but if the source document is well
structured - using styles rather than direct formatting - then one could
keep meta information about the applicable styles in properties in the
org file so that there's some hope of a reasonable round trip.

Re: [O] inline constant substitution

[Paul Rudin]

Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes:

 On Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 18:13, Paul Rudin wrote:
 Thanks. If I *also* want to use that value in a table is there a way to
 do that? I experimented with:

 #+TBLFM: @1$1={{{foo}}}

 and 

 #+TBLFM: @1$1={{{foo}}}

 But neither of those work.

 What about simply:

 | {{{foo}}} |

 i.e. put the macro reference directly in the table?

The value gets exported to LaTeX in the table, but that apparently
happens at export time. So if you have formulae in the table that refer
to that cell they don't compute using the value.

[O] inline constant substitution

[Paul Rudin]

Suppose I have: 

#+CONSTANTS: foo=42

How can I make inline references to a constant on export in regular
text, rather than in a table?

I want to be able to write something like: 

  The value of foo is $foo 

in my org file, and then end up with:

  The value of foo is 42

when I export to LaTeX.

TIA.

Re: [O] clock-in and clock-out columns for clock-table

[Paul Rudin]

Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Hi Paul,

 Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

 Is there a way to coerce a clock table to include the clock in and clock
 out information?

 Can you give a literal example of the desired table output?


The kind of thing I have in mind is we have a file containing:

* Task 1
  CLOCK: [2014-10-12 Sun 15:20]--[2014-10-12 Sun 15:25] =  0:05
  CLOCK: [2014-10-12 Sun 15:15]--[2014-10-12 Sun 15:20] =  0:05

Then at the moment we can get a clock table like:

#+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 2 :scope subtree
#+CAPTION: Clock summary at [2014-10-12 Sun 15:23]
| Headline | Time   |
|--+|
| *Total time* | *0:10* |
|--+|
| Task 1   | 0:10   |
#+END:

But what I was after was a table something like this:


#+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 2 :scope subtree
#+CAPTION: Clock summary at [2014-10-12 Sun 15:23]
| Headline | Start time   | Stop time| Elapsed time |
|--+--+--+--|
| *Total time* |  |  |   *0:10* |
|--+--+--+--|
| Task 1   | 2014-10-12 Sun 15:15 | 2014-10-12 Sun 15:20 | 0:05 |
| Task 1   | 2014-10-12 Sun 15:20 | 2014-10-12 Sun 15:25 | 0:05 |
#+END:


So, rather than aggregating the time from each separate time range
associated with a task into one row, we get a different row for each
time range.

Re: [O] inline constant substitution

[Paul Rudin]

Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes:

 Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

 Suppose I have:

 #+CONSTANTS: foo=42

 How can I make inline references to a constant on export in regular
 text, rather than in a table?

 I want to be able to write something like: 

   The value of foo is $foo 

 in my org file, and then end up with:

   The value of foo is 42

 when I export to LaTeX.

 Constants are for tables only. You can use a macro instead:

 #+MACRO: foo 42

   The value of foo is {{{foo}}}.


Thanks. If I *also* want to use that value in a table is there a way to
do that? I experimented with:

#+TBLFM: @1$1={{{foo}}}

and 

#+TBLFM: @1$1={{{foo}}}

But neither of those work.

Re: [O] Other editors supporting Org-Mode

[Paul Rudin]

Manuel Schneckenreither manuel.schneckenreit...@student.uibk.ac.at
writes:

 I couldn't find anything on the web about it. Therefore, I like to ask
 you if anyone knows a program (another editor) which supports Org mode.

Depends what you mean by supports. I sometimes have to use windows
computers on which I can't install emacs (long story). I edit some of my
.org files with notepad!

The advantage of plain text is that pretty much every text editor can be
used to read/modify the files, even if you can't do all the stuff that
you're used to with emacs.

[O] clock table properties

[Paul Rudin]

Here's the contents of a file:

#+PROPERTY: test_ALL: X
* Eggs
  CLOCK: [2014-10-01 Wed 18:52]--[2014-10-01 Wed 19:52] =  1:00

#+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 2 :scope file :properties (test) :inherit-props 
t
#+CAPTION: Clock summary at [2014-10-01 Wed 19:57]
| test | Headline | Time   |
|--+--+|
|  | *Total time* | *1:00* |
|--+--+|
|  | Eggs | 1:00   |
#+END:

I was expecting that the test column would include the value X for every
row in the table when the clocktable is regenerated. Is my expectation
wrong?

[O] clock-in and clock-out columns for clock-table

[Paul Rudin]

Is there a way to coerce a clock table to include the clock in and clock
out information?

TIA.

Re: [O] Emacs server and org-protocol

[Paul Rudin]

Gonzalo Camarillo gcama...@gmail.com writes:


 Does anybody know a workaround so that the server is only started
 once?... 

Does the function server-running-p work on windows? If so then you can
replace (server-start) with (unless (server-running-p) (server-start)).

Re: [O] Emacs server and org-protocol

[Paul Rudin]

Fabrice Popineau fabrice.popin...@supelec.fr writes:

 What is the purpose of opening a second instance of emacs ? 
 I precisely tend to avoid it.

There are situations where it can be useful - e.g. using emacs as
a news or mail client where the whole process can block for a few
seconds.

Re: [O] Using MobileOrg w/ Dropbox from multiple systems

[Paul Rudin]

Brian Whitehead bwhit...@gmail.com writes:

 I understand how it works.  Are you recommending to simply set the org default
 directory to the Dropbox filter or even just use a symlink?  I'm testing this
 now.

If your use case is simply to sync across two computers then you don't
need mobileorg at all. Just put your org files on Dropbox and keep the
Dropbox client running on both computers - everything will be
automatically copied.

Or do I misunderstand what you want?

Re: [O] working on cloud

[Paul Rudin]

Renato Pontefice renato.pontef...@gmail.com writes:

 I'm wondering:
 In Linux (but in win too) the file must have a particular name (.emacs on
 linux; init.el on windows)
 and reside on a particular folder.

You could get the standard init file to just load another file. Or you
can specify the init file at invocation.

Re: [O] working on cloud

[Paul Rudin]

David Belohrad da...@belohrad.ch writes:

 I use for all emacs files git with server repository. Then on each
 computer I'm using emacs with, I just clone that repository. The
 positive side-effect of this is, that when you need to modify sources
 for a particular computer, you just create new local branch. Then all
 'common' init file tweaks can be done in master branch and it is very
 easy to merge them into local one if needed

Yes, I have done that sort of thing in the past, but I find the need to
check stuff in and push/pull and merge unnecessary overheads for this
kind of thing. Just leaving the file on Dropbox (or whatever) means that
things are synced automagically when edited which, nearly all the time,
is what I want. Dropbox keeps a limited revision history for the free
version (which I use) or you can pay and get an unlimited revision
history. Of course that's not as useful as using git in terms of merging
and so on, but it does provide some protection against erroneous
changes.


For added fun keep the git (or whatever) repository on a Dropbox folder
- this means that you get the automatic updating for things in progress,
but you can also use the proper version control features too.

Re: [O] working on cloud

[Paul Rudin]

Renato renato.pontef...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,
 I'm learning emacs (as you probabily know :-)).
 I have:
 - one pc at home (linux Debian)
 - one at work (windows)

 I would like to use the same configuration.
 Now, I have my .org file on the cloud (so I can access it from anywhere)
 But I'm  starting to edit also the config file:
 on Win it is:
 init.el

 on linux is
 emacs


I have a file myinit.el in a dropbox folder. On each machine the local
init file loads that file. It might also have some machine specific
initialisation. myinit.el also has some parts that are conditionally
executed according to operating system.

[O] default list labelling?

[Paul Rudin]

By default when you demote a list item it's label is of the same kind as
the parent list. e.g. you'll get

1.
2.
   1. 

In practice I typically want to get a different kind of label: I'll want e.g.

1. 
2. 
   a.   

Is there a way of configuring what the sub-list labels will be according
to what the current one is?

On a related note it's normal (I suppose) to want consistency. So if we
have the following then it's probable that the first label under 2)
should be a). Is there a way of achieving this?

1)  
   a) 
   b)
2)
   

Re: [O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

(about lists)

Here is a test for this problem. Notice that if you change the a) to 1.
- for example - the test passes. So this is something specific to
alphabetically labelled list items.


(ert-deftest org-list-item-test ()
  (with-temp-buffer
(org-mode)
(let ((org-allow-alphabetical t)
  (fill-column 70))
  (insert 1. some stuff\n
 a) an alphabetic list item with text longer that the current 
fill column so that it gets wrapped by fill-paragraph)
  (fill-paragraph)
  (should (not (equal (org-in-item-p) 1))

Re: [O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello,

 Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

 Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

 (about lists)

 Here is a test for this problem. Notice that if you change the a) to 1.
 - for example - the test passes. So this is something specific to
 alphabetically labelled list items.


 (ert-deftest org-list-item-test ()
   (with-temp-buffer
 (org-mode)
 (let ((org-allow-alphabetical t)
(fill-column 70))
   (insert 1. some stuff\n
   a) an alphabetic list item with text longer that the current 
 fill column so that it gets wrapped by fill-paragraph)
   (fill-paragraph)t
   (should (not (equal (org-in-item-p) 1))

 Quoting `org-list-allow-alphabetical' docstring:

   This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you
   need to make a change while Emacs is running, use the customize
   interface or run the following code, where VALUE stands for the
   new value of the variable, after updating it:

 (when (featurep 'org-element) (load org-element t t))

 So let-binding it cannot work.


Aha. So how do you test things like that? This seems to be OK. Is it?

(ert-deftest org-list-item-test ()
  (with-temp-buffer
(org-mode)
(let ((fill-column 70))
  (custom-set-variables '(org-list-allow-alphabetical t))
  (insert 1. some stuff\n
 a) an alphabetic list item with text longer that the current 
fill column so that it gets wrapped by fill-paragraph)
  (fill-paragraph)
  (should (not (equal (org-in-item-p) 1))


This also explains what I was seeing, as I was setting it in my init
file after org was loaded. I was lulled into a false sense of security
because some aspects of alphabetical list label work in this
circumstance.

All I need now is roman numeral list labels too :)

Re: [O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

 Daniele Pizzolli d...@toel.it writes:

 On 09/29/2013 09:05 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:
 Daniele Pizzolli writes:

 []

 Yeah, I have that in my init.el, it's not a general problem with
 alphabetic labels, it's only in some contexts that problem happens.
 hitting alt-enter at the end of item a) works just fine for example - I
 get the b) label inserted correctly for example.

 Hello Paul,
 With my setup I experience the correct auto-fill.
 Maybe you want to try a more recent version of org-mode?
 Which one are you using now?

 Apparently:
 Org-mode version 8.2 (8.2-4-ga1a0ac-elpa @
 /home/paul/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20130923/)

A bit more experimentation. If I start with emacs -q I get the distro
packaged version, which is 7.8 on my system - and that works fine. So
the problem I refer to seems to have been introduced somewhere between
7.8 and 8.2. 

I suppose I should look at the code myself, but I have no familiarity
with it and thought someone else might know ...

Re: [O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk writes:

 Daniele Pizzolli d...@toel.it writes:

 On 09/29/2013 08:40 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:

 Example:

 1. Some text that extends over more than one line, I'm not sure if the exact
 length is relevant.
 a) stuff; and then
 b) this item will not be recognised as a list item, which can be a bit 
 of a
 pain, so if you're typing with auto-fill on it will be formatted like 
 this,
 but really the second line should align underneath the text of the 
 start of
 the item.


 Is this working as intended? It seems wrong to me - if I type item b)
 above it surely should fill properly?

 Hello Paul,
 Be sure to have this setting:

 #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp :results none
 (setq org-list-allow-alphabetical t)
 #+END_SRC

 Yeah, I have that in my init.el, it's not a general problem with
 alphabetic labels, it's only in some contexts that problem happens.
 hitting alt-enter at the end of item a) works just fine for example - I
 get the b) label inserted correctly for example.

Another data point on this. I have just noticed that if there is a blank
line prior to the first list item then things work as they should.

Re: [O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Daniele Pizzolli d...@toel.it writes:

 On 09/29/2013 09:05 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:
 Daniele Pizzolli writes:

 []

 Yeah, I have that in my init.el, it's not a general problem with
 alphabetic labels, it's only in some contexts that problem happens.
 hitting alt-enter at the end of item a) works just fine for example - I
 get the b) label inserted correctly for example.

 Hello Paul,
 With my setup I experience the correct auto-fill.
 Maybe you want to try a more recent version of org-mode?
 Which one are you using now?

Apparently:
Org-mode version 8.2 (8.2-4-ga1a0ac-elpa @ 
/home/paul/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20130923/)

[O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Example:

1. Some text that extends over more than one line, I'm not sure if the exact
   length is relevant.
   a) stuff; and then
   b) this item will not be recognised as a list item, which can be a bit of a
   pain, so if you're typing with auto-fill on it will be formatted like this,
   but really the second line should align underneath the text of the start of
   the item.
 

Is this working as intended? It seems wrong to me - if I type item b)
above it surely should fill properly?

Re: [O] list items not treated as such.

[Paul Rudin]

Daniele Pizzolli d...@toel.it writes:

 On 09/29/2013 08:40 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:

 Example:

 1. Some text that extends over more than one line, I'm not sure if the exact
 length is relevant.
 a) stuff; and then
 b) this item will not be recognised as a list item, which can be a bit 
 of a
 pain, so if you're typing with auto-fill on it will be formatted like 
 this,
 but really the second line should align underneath the text of the start 
 of
 the item.


 Is this working as intended? It seems wrong to me - if I type item b)
 above it surely should fill properly?

 Hello Paul,
 Be sure to have this setting:

 #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp :results none
 (setq org-list-allow-alphabetical t)
 #+END_SRC

Yeah, I have that in my init.el, it's not a general problem with
alphabetic labels, it's only in some contexts that problem happens.
hitting alt-enter at the end of item a) works just fine for example - I
get the b) label inserted correctly for example.

[O] org-schedule vs org-time-stamp

[Paul Rudin]

I'm not clear on how these two are intended to be used. The former
prefixes the timestamp with SCHEDULED: but I'm not sure what practical
consequences this has. Items appear in the agenda either way.

Re: [O] org-schedule vs org-time-stamp

[Paul Rudin]

Sebastien Vauban sva-n...@mygooglest.com
writes:

 Paul Rudin,

 Paul Rudin wrote:
 I'm not clear on how these two are intended to be used. The former
 prefixes the timestamp with SCHEDULED: but I'm not sure what practical
 consequences this has. Items appear in the agenda either way.

 You should absolutely read the chapter 8 (Dates and Times) of the Org
 manual.

 In summary, active timestamps only will appear on the day of the timestamp.
 It's good for meetings or birthdays or events that naturally only occur at a
 certain day.

 SCHEDULED timestamps indicate when you want to start working on a task. Such
 items will appear every day, on and on, in your agenda until you mark them
 done.


Ah yes, I see. Thanks.

Re: [O] Index of cases

[Paul Rudin]

Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:


 My real problem is that I don't know how to generate the multiple indexes that
 I need if I use org mode. Everything else is easy. Any potential solution that
 I see involves adding lots more markup, but if I do that I might as well stick
 with LaTeX.

I'm not sure that needs to be the case. I don't use org-mode for LaTeX
documents, but a bit of boiler-plate to generate the indexes shouldn't
be too tricky. A good starting point is the manual for biblatex oscola
package - which shows you to get your case, statute etc. tables with
relatively little effort.
http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/biblatex-contrib/oscola/oscola.pdf

Re: [O] [SYNC] How do you sync your org-mode files between n devices (n 2)

[Paul Rudin]

nore...@maillard.im writes:


 I have a problem. I need to sync my files between several devices
 (currently 3). At first, I thought the solution would have been to use
 mobileorg (that made sense since I also use an android device) but as
 far as I understand it, it is not really designed for that purpose (I
 have several agendas.org staying in the hierarchy with conflicts from
 all sources...)

 How do you sync your files easily and share them between 3, 4 or even
 more places ?

Dropbox.

I also use bitbucket for coding projects proper, but its overkill if you
just want to keep up to date with latest versions of files.

The nice thing about using Dropbox is that you don't need to check
anything in - as long as you save files you can just work away from you
desktop and then pick things up exactly where you left off on your
laptop.

If you have changes that you need to merge together on different devices
then you probably do want to use git or similar.

Re: [O] OT: Annotating PDF Org

[Paul Rudin]

Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:

 Given the emacs and Org oriented nature of this group, I'd like to
 know if anyone has found a good Orgish (ie: portable, text, etc) to
 annotate PDFs?

 Features would be items like highlighting blocks, adding notes
 (margins or sticky notes), and saving to either a sidecar file in a
 text format (ala Org) or directly appending the PDF.


I realise this doesn't answer your question exactly, but I use xournal
for adding highlights and notes to pdfs on linux. It does save the notes
in a sidecar file, but its not a text file. There's an option to save
a new pdf with the annotations included.

[O] text colours after upgrade

[Paul Rudin]

Having upgraded org-mode via the emacs package thingy today I notice
that sometimes the text following a heading is coloured as the heading.

This seems to depend on some internal state, as the same file contents
does not always result in this happening. So, for example, if I save the
file and re-open it the text is coloured correctly.

I've yet to identify exactly what needs to be done in order for this to
come about, but I have noticed it a few times this morning...

[O] automagically changing roman enumeration to alphabetical

[Paul Rudin]

I was surprised by this behaviour.

Find a new org-mode file. Type i) and then hit M-Ret. The i) gets
renamed as a) and b) is added on the next line. 

I would have expected that we get ii) on the next line and the i)
would be left alone.

Is this working as intended?

Re: [O] org-drill - properties displayed during card review

[Paul Rudin]

Paul Sexton psexton...@gmail.com writes:

 I just never got around to fixing that minor glitch until now. I have
 committed a fix to the org-drill repository at

 http://bitbucket.org/eeeickythump/org-drill

 So if you download and use the org-drill.el from there, the problem
 will be fixed.

Thanks very much - that seems to have done the trick.

[O] org-drill - properties displayed during card review

[Paul Rudin]

I'm experimenting with org-drill. One thing that seems odd is that when
reviewing a card for scoring the properties drawer is displayed. It
seems unlikely that this is intended? Is it intended? If not is there
some easy way I can fix it? TIA.