Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: I have no idea what I will need to do! I really am truly ignorant of the whole MS world other than I know, if push comes to shove, I can install cygwin and then Emacs when I have to... ;-) Actually, there are emacs binaries for win32 that work without needing cygwin. thanks; but cygwin seems natural to install in conjunction with emacs as I want bash et al. if I ever have to use Windows. having said this, it's been years since I have had to do this luckily (for me). For the record, here are some other things that I tried/maybe worth trying: - Davmail + thunderbird: allows accessing exchange mail and calendar and syncinc with it, but did not manage to import org ics into that. - Evolution and the openexchange client may be other things to try. These two seem to imply using something other than Emacs for my email? Or have I misunderstood? Openexchange is a command line tool to synchronize with an exchange server. But it is still incomplete, and I found it a nightmare to configure and use. Evolution is indeed another mail client, but my intent was to use it solely as a mean to synchronize the org mode ics file with the exchange calendar. Instead of using outlook for this... Thanks for the explanation. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.6 (release_7.6.4.gf305a)
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Hi Matthieu, Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: Compared to what org-mode currently exports, only three fields are missing: - Organizer. This should not be too hard to do (using user-mail-adress). Okay. - Method:request (should also be easy...) Should this field be present in every entry? What does it mean? - The sequence number is more difficult. I think it could be stored as a property of an org-mode node, but when should it be updated? Maybe it can be just be updated everytime the file is exported, just as ids are created when the file is exported. What means the SEQUENCE field? Thanks for further information! -- Bastien
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
I have no idea what I will need to do! I really am truly ignorant of the whole MS world other than I know, if push comes to shove, I can install cygwin and then Emacs when I have to... ;-) Actually, there are emacs binaries for win32 that work without needing cygwin. For the record, here are some other things that I tried/maybe worth trying: - Davmail + thunderbird: allows accessing exchange mail and calendar and syncinc with it, but did not manage to import org ics into that. - Evolution and the openexchange client may be other things to try. These two seem to imply using something other than Emacs for my email? Or have I misunderstood? Openexchange is a command line tool to synchronize with an exchange server. But it is still incomplete, and I found it a nightmare to configure and use. Evolution is indeed another mail client, but my intent was to use it solely as a mean to synchronize the org mode ics file with the exchange calendar. Instead of using outlook for this... Matthieu
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Hi Bastien, On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:16:17 +0200, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Can you give an example of a RFC-2446 compliant entry (with the new field you mentioned in the previous email)? If I take the example given here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/45453/icalendar-and-event-updates-not-working-in-outlook Here is the original ics BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//WA//FRWEB//EN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT UID:FRICAL201 SEQUENCE:0 DTSTAMP:20081108T151809Z ORGANIZER:donotre...@test.com DTSTART:20081109T121200 SUMMARY:11/9/2008 12:12:00 PM TRIP FROM JFK AIRPORT (JFK) LOCATION:JFK AIRPORT (JFK) END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR and here is the update BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//WA//FRWEB//EN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT UID:FRICAL201 SEQUENCE:1 DTSTAMP:20081108T161809Z ORGANIZER:donotre...@test.com DTSTART:20081109T121300 SUMMARY:11/9/2008 12:13:00 PM TRIP FROM JFK AIRPORT (JFK) LOCATION:JFK AIRPORT (JFK) END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR I guess adding this files to org-icalendar.el is not a big fuss. Compared to what org-mode currently exports, only three fields are missing: - Organizer. This should not be too hard to do (using user-mail-adress). - Method:request (should also be easy...) - The sequence number is more difficult. I think it could be stored as a property of an org-mode node, but when should it be updated? Maybe it can be just be updated everytime the file is exported, just as ids are created when the file is exported. Matthieu
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:14:19 +0100, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: Hi, After some digging I found the following setup to share my calendar with people using outlook. [...] Matthieu, thanks for this. I am unable to test it but will likely have to do so at the end of the summer (northern hemisphere) when we are supposedly going to be expected to start using various MS tools for collaboration (yech). I'll come back to you then! ;-) Eric, No problem. But note that currently I am able to synchronize with people using Outlook, but not really with Exchange, if that's what you would like to do... I have no idea what I will need to do! I really am truly ignorant of the whole MS world other than I know, if push comes to shove, I can install cygwin and then Emacs when I have to... ;-) For the record, here are some other things that I tried/maybe worth trying: - Davmail + thunderbird: allows accessing exchange mail and calendar and syncinc with it, but did not manage to import org ics into that. - Evolution and the openexchange client may be other things to try. These two seem to imply using something other than Emacs for my email? Or have I misunderstood? - With a bit of elisp (to implement RFC-2446 compliant export), I think full outlook/exchange compliance could be really doable. Okay. I'll keep this in mind although I notice that Bastien has already asked for a link so maybe this will be done by the time I need it :-) Thanks again, eric -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.510.g56080)
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Hi Matthieu, Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: - With a bit of elisp (to implement RFC-2446 compliant export), I think full outlook/exchange compliance could be really doable. Can you give an example of a RFC-2446 compliant entry (with the new field you mentioned in the previous email)? I guess adding this files to org-icalendar.el is not a big fuss. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: Hi, After some digging I found the following setup to share my calendar with people using outlook. [...] Matthieu, thanks for this. I am unable to test it but will likely have to do so at the end of the summer (northern hemisphere) when we are supposedly going to be expected to start using various MS tools for collaboration (yech). I'll come back to you then! ;-) Thanks again, eric -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.461.g6d18)
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:14:19 +0100, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Matthieu Lemerre ra...@free.fr writes: Hi, After some digging I found the following setup to share my calendar with people using outlook. [...] Matthieu, thanks for this. I am unable to test it but will likely have to do so at the end of the summer (northern hemisphere) when we are supposedly going to be expected to start using various MS tools for collaboration (yech). I'll come back to you then! ;-) Eric, No problem. But note that currently I am able to synchronize with people using Outlook, but not really with Exchange, if that's what you would like to do... For the record, here are some other things that I tried/maybe worth trying: - Davmail + thunderbird: allows accessing exchange mail and calendar and syncinc with it, but did not manage to import org ics into that. - Evolution and the openexchange client may be other things to try. - With a bit of elisp (to implement RFC-2446 compliant export), I think full outlook/exchange compliance could be really doable. Matthieu
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Hi, After some digging I found the following setup to share my calendar with people using outlook. One problem is that org-mode produces ics files, but they are calendar snapshots, and outlook does import them well (if you import them twice, your calendar items will appear twice) This problem is described here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/45453/icalendar-and-event-updates-not-working-in-outlook Basically, Outlook requires RFC2446 calendars for this, which requires some additional fields (organizer, method, and sequence). It should be possible to convert org-mode calendar import to produce this kind of calendars, the only difficult track being to track the sequence numbers. As a workaround, the best solution I found wast to generate a .ics file and put it on a private http server (webfsd is appropriate for this). If the URL to this file is http://nommachine.domain:3000/dir/file.ics, just change it to webcal://nommachine.domain:3000/dir/file.ics and enter this URL to Internet explorer. Then outlook can automatically subscribe to this calendar. The following lisp code launches the webfsd server and regularly updates the ics file. This isn't really sync, but at least allows yourself and others to see your calendar in outlook! Hope that can be useful Matthieu #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defun export-icalendar-at-the-right-place () (interactive) (let ((org-agenda-files '(~/org/org.org)) (org-combined-agenda-icalendar-file ~/webfsd_public/org.ics)) (org-export-icalendar-combine-agenda-files))) ;; Automacally exports my calendar every 1800s (30 minutes) (run-at-time 10 min 1800 #'export-icalendar-at-the-right-place) ;; Launch webfsd to serve the .ics file (start-process webfsd webfsd webfsd -r /home/me/webfsd_public -p 3001) ;; To access it from outook: ;; webcal://myhost.mydomain.fr:3001/org.ics #+end_src
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Skip Collins skip.coll...@gmail.com writes: I was thinking of trying to get org and microsoft exchange talking to each other via soap-client.el and exchange web services (ews). Ultimately it would be nice to have a route into the corporate world of exchange, outlook, entourage, and blackberry where so many of us are forced to live. My first goal is to link org TODOs to exchange tasks in some simplistic way that allows two-way syncing. If that proves feasible, perhaps calendar items could be next. Does this sound useful? If anyone with elisp or web services programming experience is interested in lending a hand, I am sure to need some help. +1. My institution is moving to MS Live, whatever that means (I really am completely ignorant of the MS world, for better or for worse). I think this is somehow related to Exchange etc. so any type of integration with org would be greatly helpful for me! At first, all I care about is one way transfer, from the MS world to org but obviously two way syncing would be good. In my case, it's more about calendar events than tasks. My tasks are typically for my information only but meetings etc involve multiple people. I can try to help in due course. We haven't moved to the MS system yet so I cannot yet say how much I will be able to contribute. Keep me in the loop! -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.409.g4f3a3)
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Hi, I was thinking of trying to get org and microsoft exchange talking to each other via soap-client.el and exchange web services (ews). Ultimately it would be nice to have a route into the corporate world of exchange, outlook, entourage, and blackberry where so many of us are forced to live. My first goal is to link org TODOs to exchange tasks in some simplistic way that allows two-way syncing. If that proves feasible, perhaps calendar items could be next. Does this sound useful? If anyone with elisp or web services programming experience is interested in lending a hand, I am sure to need some help. +1. My institution is moving to MS Live, whatever that means (I really am completely ignorant of the MS world, for better or for worse). I think this is somehow related to Exchange etc. so any type of integration with org would be greatly helpful for me! At first, all I care about is one way transfer, from the MS world to org but obviously two way syncing would be good. In my case, it's more about calendar events than tasks. My tasks are typically for my information only but meetings etc involve multiple people. I can try to help in due course. We haven't moved to the MS system yet so I cannot yet say how much I will be able to contribute. Keep me in the loop! One open source project that implements a pretty impressive interface to exchange is http://davmail.sourceforge.net Maybe you can get hints on how to deal with the ideosycrasies of MS coding from there. Unfortunately I cannot use this, and your proposed solution, since my Exchange server is behind an RSA-Token-secured gateway. I'm planning to use the org-outlook protocol http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/org-outlook.el even if this means that I need to have an Outlook-instance running. Good luck! Holger
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Holger Wenzel drholgerwen...@googlemail.com wrote: Unfortunately I cannot use this, and your proposed solution, since my Exchange server is behind an RSA-Token-secured gateway. I'm planning to use the org-outlook protocol Both outlook and org will require dealing with secured gateways.
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
On 20/06/11 5:53 AM, Holger Wenzel drholgerwen...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm planning to use the org-outlook protocol http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/org-outlook.el even if this means that I need to have an Outlook-instance running. When I was still on a windows box, I built a little Windows Scripting Host REPL, for the express purpose of communicating with outlook. I've since moved to Mac, so I have not worked on it since, however, the code is available here: https://github.com/jonnay/wsh-repl You could load up an instance of the wsh-repl, and send it commands directly (it's a standard comint buffer). Hopefully it provides some help for you guys. The information contained in this message is confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity named above or their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message.
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
On 2011-06-20 07:52 UT, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: ESF Skip Collins skip.coll...@gmail.com writes: I was thinking of trying to get org and microsoft exchange talking to each other via soap-client.el and exchange web services (ews).Ultimately it would be nice to have a route into the corporate world of exchange, outlook, entourage, and blackberry where so many of us are forced to live. My first goal is to link org TODOs to exchange tasks in some simplistic way that allows two-way syncing. If that proves feasible, perhaps calendar items could be next. Does this sound useful?If anyone with elisp or web services programming experience is interested in lending a hand, I am sure to need some help. ESF +1. ESF My institution is moving to MS Live, whatever that means (I really ESF am completely ignorant of the MS world, for better or for worse).I ESF think this is somehow related to Exchange etc.so any type of ESF integration with org would be greatly helpful for me!At first, all ESF I care about is one way transfer, from the MS world to org but ESF obviously two way syncing would be good. ESF In my case, it's more about calendar events than tasks.My tasks are ESF typically for my information only but meetings etc involve multiple ESF people. ESF I can try to help in due course.We haven't moved to the MS system ESF yet so I cannot yet say how much I will be able to contribute.Keep ESF me in the loop! How much of this problem is really MS-specific? I think it would be a huge door-opener for providing better general interoperability to have a clear idea of what types of events and tasks have to be dealt with. Then we can abstract from the org-representation of data and write plugins for different export formats. Ie have a general representation of a recurring event, have one representation for a task (with all the properties it can have) etc. Building from there, we can look at the different features supported by other formats and just dump the supported properties into the corresponding format or use other libraries as interface with, for example, an exchange server. Maybe we should start implementing iCalendar as described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545 and export our various org tags to well-defined lisp objects. This would also benefit all the projects trying to bring org to other platforms, which are now all rolling their own exporters. -- Philipp Haselwarter
Re: [O] org and microsoft exchange
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-06-20 07:52 UT, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: ESF Skip Collins skip.coll...@gmail.com writes: I was thinking of trying to get org and microsoft exchange talking to each other via soap-client.el and exchange web services (ews).Ultimately it would be nice to have a route into the corporate world of exchange, outlook, entourage, and blackberry where so many of us are forced to live. My first goal is to link org TODOs to exchange tasks in some simplistic way that allows two-way syncing. If that proves feasible, perhaps calendar items could be next. Does this sound useful?If anyone with elisp or web services programming experience is interested in lending a hand, I am sure to need some help. ESF +1. ESF My institution is moving to MS Live, whatever that means (I really ESF am completely ignorant of the MS world, for better or for worse).I ESF think this is somehow related to Exchange etc.so any type of ESF integration with org would be greatly helpful for me!At first, all ESF I care about is one way transfer, from the MS world to org but ESF obviously two way syncing would be good. ESF In my case, it's more about calendar events than tasks.My tasks are ESF typically for my information only but meetings etc involve multiple ESF people. ESF I can try to help in due course.We haven't moved to the MS system ESF yet so I cannot yet say how much I will be able to contribute.Keep ESF me in the loop! How much of this problem is really MS-specific? I think it would be a huge door-opener for providing better general interoperability to have a clear idea of what types of events and tasks have to be dealt with. Then we can abstract from the org-representation of data and write plugins for different export formats. Ie have a general representation of a recurring event, have one representation for a task (with all the properties it can have) etc. Building from there, we can look at the different features supported by other formats and just dump the supported properties into the corresponding format or use other libraries as interface with, for example, an exchange server. Maybe we should start implementing iCalendar as described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545 and export our various org tags to well-defined lisp objects. This would also benefit all the projects trying to bring org to other platforms, which are now all rolling their own exporters. We've discussed iCalendar before on the list - see e.g. the extensive thread at http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/36517 My own thoughts on the above are at http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/36517/focus=42752 and I have made a little progress along the lines described, but it's nowhere near ready for prime time. Nick
[O] org and microsoft exchange
I was thinking of trying to get org and microsoft exchange talking to each other via soap-client.el and exchange web services (ews). Ultimately it would be nice to have a route into the corporate world of exchange, outlook, entourage, and blackberry where so many of us are forced to live. My first goal is to link org TODOs to exchange tasks in some simplistic way that allows two-way syncing. If that proves feasible, perhaps calendar items could be next. Does this sound useful? If anyone with elisp or web services programming experience is interested in lending a hand, I am sure to need some help.
