Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:26:19 +0200, Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr wrote: Hi Ian, Ian Barton li...@manor-farm.org writes: However, I think you may have to begin the long and tedious task of identifying all contributors to Worg and asking their permission. Yes I will. If this isn't done we may end up with Free and Non free versions of Worg. I hope every contributor will be okay with the licensing scheme. That's the purpose of me asking the community for feedback :) I've contributed only a little but I'm okay with this in any case! -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
David Maus dm...@ictsoc.de writes: IIRC there was some back and forth about compatibility of this statement and the GPL, but cannot remember where I read this. This is obvious, but why not just drop a message to FSF legal team with the question about this issue? I'm in touch with RMS about this issue. Will follow-up on the list very soon. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 06:36:45AM +0200, Bastien wrote: Here is what I read at the bottom of every emacswiki.org page: This work is licensed to you under version 2 of the GNU General Public License. [..] So this is GPLv2. Any idea why this isn't GPLv3? No clue. I must confess that I'm writing this email without the benefit of a net connection, so I can't check if emacs itself has moved to GPLv3. If it hasn't I can imagine wanting to keep emacs wiki compatible with emacs itself. Also, I find the formulation a bit confusing. Is it the standard formulation when multi-licensing? Where can I found an example of a clear multi-licensing statement? I'm not a lawyer or even particularly interested in the technicalities of such, but I do think that the emacs-wiki statement errs on the side of being human intelligible at the expense of concision. I've not made up my mind yet, but I would go for something like that: The content of the Worg website is licensed under the CC BY-SA 3.0 and the GPLv3 and the GFDL 1.3. You can choose to receive the content of Worg under any of these three licenses. Good? I'd include or later statements, so that Worg can optionally take advantage of any updates to these licenses if they are revised to fix issues that arise (which is, again, the same as emacs itself.) More than anything, the or later statements, reduce potential future headache. Perhaps something like The content of the Worg website is licensed under the CC BY-SA 3.0 (or later) and the GNU GPLv3 (or later) and the GNU FDL 1.3 (or later). You can choose to receive the content of Worg under any of these three licenses. Again, just a thought. Cheers, sam -- tycho(ish) @ ga...@tychoish.com http://www.tychoish.com/ http://www.cyborginstitute.com/ don't get it right, get it written -- james thurber ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
Bastien wrote: Hi Tycho, tycho garen ga...@tychoish.com writes: This seems fine, the only possible concern that I have with this is that GFDL licensed code snippets aren't compatible with the GPL. I'm not sure how much actual code is in worg, and if this is an issue, but it's worth considering. Mhh.. yes, you're right. My impulse for free-software-style writing projects is to use the emacs wiki license statement which says CC-BY-SA/GFDL/GPL 3 or later (with a clarification of what constitutes corresponding source code), but that might be a bit vague in some cases. Here is what I read at the bottom of every emacswiki.org page: This work is licensed to you under version 2 of the GNU General Public License. Alternatively, you may choose to receive this work under any other license that grants the right to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute the work, as long as that license imposes the restriction that derivative works have to grant the same rights and impose the same restriction. For example, you may choose to receive this work under the GNU Free Documentation License, the CreativeCommons ShareAlike License, the XEmacs manual license, or similar licenses. So this is GPLv2. Any idea why this isn't GPLv3? Also, I find the formulation a bit confusing. Is it the standard formulation when multi-licensing? Where can I found an example of a clear multi-licensing statement? IIRC there was some back and forth about compatibility of this statement and the GPL, but cannot remember where I read this. This is obvious, but why not just drop a message to FSF legal team with the question about this issue? After all, Org mode is part of Gnu Emacs and Worg is Org's community page. Best, -- David -- OpenPGP... 0x99ADB83B5A4478E6 Jabber dmj...@jabber.org Email. dm...@ictsoc.de pgpRqXhQ1zICU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
what is the most suitable license (or licensing scheme) for Worg? Here is the best solution I can think of: dual-licensing[1] under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.3[2] and the Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0[3] license. This solution would make it possible to take excerpts from Worg and put them into Org manual for later inclusion in Emacs, which uses GFDL 1.3 for the Emacs manual. Would any Worg contributor have objection to this? That's fine with me. However, I think you may have to begin the long and tedious task of identifying all contributors to Worg and asking their permission. If this isn't done we may end up with Free and Non free versions of Worg. Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 02:33:10PM +0200, Bastien wrote: Hi all, what is the most suitable license (or licensing scheme) for Worg? Here is the best solution I can think of: dual-licensing[1] under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.3[2] and the Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0[3] license. This solution would make it possible to take excerpts from Worg and put them into Org manual for later inclusion in Emacs, which uses GFDL 1.3 for the Emacs manual. Would any Worg contributor have objection to this? I'm open to any suggestion, please let ideas flow. This seems fine, the only possible concern that I have with this is that GFDL licensed code snippets aren't compatible with the GPL. I'm not sure how much actual code is in worg, and if this is an issue, but it's worth considering. My impulse for free-software-style writing projects is to use the emacs wiki license statement which says CC-BY-SA/GFDL/GPL 3 or later (with a clarification of what constitutes corresponding source code), but that might be a bit vague in some cases. Cheers! sam -- tycho(ish) @ ga...@tychoish.com http://www.tychoish.com/ http://www.cyborginstitute.com/ don't get it right, get it written -- james thurber ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] What license for Worg?
Bastien wrote: Hi all, what is the most suitable license (or licensing scheme) for Worg? Here is the best solution I can think of: dual-licensing[1] under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.3[2] and the Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0[3] license. This solution would make it possible to take excerpts from Worg and put them into Org manual for later inclusion in Emacs, which uses GFDL 1.3 for the Emacs manual. Would any Worg contributor have objection to this? No objection. Would have suggested the same. Best, -- David -- OpenPGP... 0x99ADB83B5A4478E6 Jabber dmj...@jabber.org Email. dm...@ictsoc.de pgpbUsDDxhiIw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
