Re: NRTL Listing
Hi Joe, Personally, in my humble opinion, I'd have to question what would happen to my end user if for any reason what so ever the AC adapter shorted over to the 7vdc side. This is a personal opinion. I try to stand up on a soap box about matters like this and usually lose. But, in my opinion, I try to read the spirit of the standards rather than the black and white. I understand that what I'm suggesting is not really spelled out in black and white somewhere, but if given half the chance, I'd test. One of my jobs is safety whether it's written in some standard or not. I would think of the adapter AND the product to which it's attached as the system. Not only that, but a 115/230 VAC AC powered system and test it as such. Again, simply my opinion ... Regards, Doug McKean At 03:29 PM 6/25/99 -0400, Finlayson, Joe wrote: Hello Group, I am in the midst of evaluating the compliance status of a particular product for a potential OEM relationship. This product is a standalone box with Ethernet ports powered by an external AC adapter with an output of 7VDC. The adapter is NRTL Listed, IEC 950 CB report, etc. although the box itself has no safety certs whatsoever. My understanding is that there is no legal requirement to have an NRTL Listing, etc. for such a product although my policy has been to get that third party mark to minimize liability and such. Can anyone share some more info as to their reasons for listing or not listing such a product which is well below hazardous limits. Horror stories are definitely welcome as I would like ammunition to justify my case to force the issue. Thx, Joe * Joe Finlayson Compliance Engineering Manager NBase-Xyplex 295 Foster Street Littleton, MA 01460 Tel: +1 (978) 952-5887 Fax: +1 (978) 952-5054 Email: jfinlay...@nbase-xyplex.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: voltage on Neutral line, Measurements From Chile
Wow! What kind of three-phase power is this - delta or wye? Is this an example of the neutral conductor not being grounded, and just being a tap on a transformer? On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:10:42 -0700, Donald Kimball dkimb...@qualcomm.com wrote: At 12:08 AM 6/29/99 -0700, mvald...@netvision.net.il wrote: What voltages can I expect on the Neutral (referenced to ground) line in various countries and connection systems? Is there a limit on how high the voltage may be, both in normal and fault conditions? Some of our Cellular base stations are located in regions of Chile where power is being intentionally turned off due to low water conditions at hydro-electric plants. We have been montoring the voltage at these sites due to concerns about the battery backup system. The cell sites use 380V Line to Line, 220V Line to Neutral, 3-Phase power. During restoration of power, the voltage on neutral sometimes rises to 220V Line to Ground for several cycles. The voltage on the phases has been measured as great as 440V Line to Line for several cycles, with Line to Neutral voltages as high as 380V. There does not seem to be much power available during this transition time with the wild voltages. Preliminary measurements in Brazil are showing some of the same results. The load regulation at remote sites seems to be a problem. Don Kimball thanks in advance, Moshe Name: moshe valdman E-mail: mvald...@netvision.net.il Phone: 972-54-881334 Telefax: 972-3-5496369 Date: 29/6/99 Time: 0:08:41 -- Patrick Lawler plaw...@west.net - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
FW: EFFECT
Interesting to note that the term Electromagnetic Effect could be triggered by Enrico Fermi back in the 40's when he suggested that electromagnetic effects would be observed in a nuclear explosion ( with different generation mechanisms- Surface Burst, Air Burst, HEMP etc and different waveshapes and levels) and lightning strikes. Towards achieving better Electromagnetic Compatibility, this resulted in the introduction of MIL 462 tests CS10, CS 11, CS 12, CS 13 and RS05- with most waveforms simulated by the commonly available Solar Transient Generators in shielded rooms and/or Bounded wave TEM cells. In a narrow sense therefore, it could be said that to achieve good compatibility, the equipment should withstand external natural or man made electromagnetic effects. Another form of environmental effect on EMC is the deterioration of EMC gaskets, beryllium fingers and formation of oxides on an otherwise perfect bond in salty, humid or corrosive atmosphere rendering shielding effectiveness failure over time and/or environment, bringing up issues of periodic EMI/EMC Preventive Maintainence in the log books! Arun Kaore EMC Engineer ADI Limited Systems Group Test Evaluation Centre Forrester Road, St Marys 2760 P O Box: 315, St Marys NSW 1790 Tel: 61 2 9673 8375 Fax: 61 2 9673 8321 Email: kao...@sg.adi-limited.com.au -Original Message- From: Javor, Ken [SMTP:ken.ja...@hsv.sverdrup.com] mailto:[SMTP:ken.ja...@hsv.sverdrup.com] Sent: Wednesday, 30 June, 1999 1:48 To: 'ed.pr...@cubic.com'; EMC-PSTC; PETER PHILLIPS Subject:RE: EFFECT I agree with the substance of Ed's comment. In my experience the more usual terminology is EME = electromagnetic environment, while E3 (E-cubed) = electromagnetic environmental effects. Neither of these terms relates directly to the adverse effect on rf or EMC performance due to other environmental conditions. -Original Message- From: ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com [SMTP:ed.pr...@cubic.com] mailto:[SMTP:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 11:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC; PETER PHILLIPS Subject: Re: EFFECT Peter: Electromagnetic Effects (EME) is a bit more comprehensive a concept than Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC). There are many things that you can do with electromagnetic energy that are not necessarily related to compatibility. RF techniques can be used to investigate or change physical properties, protect friendly forces, confuse hostile forces, deny use of assets, eavesdrop; well, lot's more. I would say that EMC is a subset of EME. Regards, Ed From: PETER PHILLIPS peter.phill...@mira.co.uk mailto:peter.phill...@mira.co.uk Subject:EFFECT Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:41:12 +0100 To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org Dear group, Has anybody heard about the term EFFECT relating to EMC and environmental testing combined. I am looking for any information on the topic, also any views that people may have regarding the change in EMC performance due to adverse environmental conditions Looking forward to your comments Peter Peter Phillips MIRA (Motor Industry Research Association) Tel:++44 (0)1203 355576 Fax:++44 (0)1203 355486 e-mail peter.phill...@mira.co.uk mailto:peter.phill...@mira.co.uk ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 Date: 06/28/1999 Time: 08:42:51 Military Avionics EMC Services Our Specialty Also Environmental / Metrology / Reliability -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Billing tones...?
Message text written by INTERNET:t...@world.std.com A computer security device such as a logic circuit that could be connected to the machine (i.e. via a printer port) which, when interrogated, returns a unique logic code. Live and learn. We're all grateful for this bit of new information. My suspicious mind was trying to work back from the root of the word and left in strange places. Ciao, Vic
FW: EFFECT
Peter, Noting that the thread has originated from MIRA, some of the Environmental Effects which should have minimal EMC impact (over the periodic maintenance lifetime) on the Engine Management Systems, Braking and Air Bag Deployment Systems etc could be: Vibration and Shock, Climate, Temperature, Presence of 60/50Hz High HV Power Cabling and Traffic Management cabling under/over roads etc. There have been incidences of Brakes or other unintended functions deploying with a mind of their own at certain geographic locations and traffic lights! Immunity aspects mostly covered under the Automotive Directive. Arun Kaore EMC Engineer ADI Limited Systems Group Test Evaluation Centre Forrester Road, St Marys 2760 P O Box: 315, St Marys NSW 1790 Tel: 61 2 9673 8375 Fax: 61 2 9673 8321 Email: kao...@sg.adi-limited.com.au From: PETER PHILLIPS [mailto:peter.phill...@mira.co.uk] mailto:[mailto:peter.phill...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:41 AM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject:EFFECT Dear group, Has anybody heard about the term EFFECT relating to EMC and environmental testing combined. I am looking for any information on the topic, also any views that people may have regarding the change in EMC performance due to adverse environmental conditions Looking forward to your comments Peter Peter Phillips MIRA (Motor Industry Research Association) Tel:++44 (0)1203 355576 Fax:++44 (0)1203 355486 e-mail peter.phill...@mira.co.uk mailto:peter.phill...@mira.co.uk - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com , jim_bac...@monarch.com mailto:jim_bac...@monarch.com , ri...@sdd.hp.com mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com , or roger.volgst...@compaq.com mailto:roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com , jim_bac...@monarch.com mailto:jim_bac...@monarch.com , ri...@sdd.hp.com mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com , or roger.volgst...@compaq.com mailto:roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: SCART specification question
The Scart (Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs) connector typical configs can be found at: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/eprebel/SoundAndVision/Engineering/SCART. html copy attached as pdf. A formal description is given in the CENELEC EN 50 049-1:1989* standard or in the IEC 933-1 standard. * now 1997/98 From the BSI electronic catalogue: BS EN 50049-1:1998 Domestic and similar electronic equipment interconnection requirements. Peritelevision connector Defines baseband or digital signal characteristics of peritelevision devices for interconnection between themselves and with television receivers (monochrome or colour). Price: GBP25.00 to subscribing members of BSI, GBP50.00 to non-members 20 page(s) From CENELEC: Standard reference Reference document Title (EN) Directive CLC/TC EN 50049-1:1997Domestic and similar electronic equipment interconnection requirements: Peritelevision connectorCLC/TC 206 EN 50049-1:1997/A1:1998Addition of a limited value for the d.c. component to the audio outputs and inputsCLC/TC 206 Chris James -Original Message- From: Nick Williams [mailto:n...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:18 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: SCART specification question I've been asked to look at a gadget which is intended for connection to the SCART port on a TV or VCR. The gadget in question is powered via a plug-top transformer, which we can specify to be SELV output. My question relates to the specification of the SCART port which is, I guess, a standard configuration (although a key-word search on SCART in the BS catalogue throws up no references, I notice...) Is it, or is it not, safe to assume that connections made to the SCART interface are SELV? In other words, even if we ensure that all parts of our product powered at SELV, do we have to treat those parts connected to the SCART interface as potentially live, or can we assume that they too will be SELV? Any ideas (including a reference to the basic SCART specification) would be helpful. Regards Nick. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). begin 600 Scart Connector.pdf M)5!$1BTQ+C(@#27BX\_3#0H@#3$P(#`@;V)J#3P\#2],96YG=@@,3$@,!2 M#2]:6QT97(@+TQ:5T1E8V]D92`-/CX-W1R96%M#0J`$(J`T:C00#@8C,7# M*#`J$0C`01*)'(SB`B\C1(8C(00XS1/E0QQ.1G0@IF,PG(Z`AF\W MXRF,Z\YF'HC09PH8#B30XB2DH$SF403HJ3P9#87#$;4.'RD8TR5.)4 M24B`WF:ESLC$:BXUJ1T44#.L`T6C2$0L0T;C@X;0VJB@T'0Z'`=\7G M6;G`TF$7LW\[RTRBXWS!G,RG(YB\RG`Y4Q7)%,WG4W0@Z,KDYFF9 M\BFXSFF:9787E,AD$I%077TVFRVC3@ZX52U#,8\8#87CDVVWC.H#F/# M?C7*N1H8B2.0RJ62Z83*:3:6V)WJ]OKQL01WN`T4%0T4J5RV7ER5'G1F MF62\R#*.;PC.8Z#D.J;#*.K+!`,@3B.`X,-(V0*0PC(U0YX8:AB,;, MCI!,%C*EXJ0W#HV1.([-1$0YBXG0QO$FJ;CD$#4+IJ1!:A*\*$K@4#JR@R M!`,R!!0VC$V`RR(,(ZPP-X0#T8018_\I1DF:-5`87+:*@5)2^2E2T\: MQO`(PPI*3%,8-TIP*#*CH-,0C9)$9O)TCB+!0WS-B2^L4PI2(,BIP-LU MP9``QCD-(X3JF4TA`UX[#+.#8!`.CYI@(HG*)@BB$%0!`J*!H',!T( MAP'(00)*@R);(DCTW3JE34@0!RG\1RGE#!16C1UO0D=6*(@TC,,S*TRE[# M#%LM#,-(SP4,-)P$`RCPU`Z!$`KC0_@T3R-UL#E;DNS4SICL,,)C,0V M*4_XX4R,D`TI7K#3+%Q9#]A@;8LA2;C0#;$@TX=?R:21*DD#0-XWLI3E/ M6O;-MVZ$#\#8-(US*-XVCAC,[*5(XIA;*XRC?`0#$/.+2HU[72G@]BCFKXZ M,;+*+\V=E6),3XCO*5:#I(59VR-TUP_]L8F_$(I-@\YF.]SC'=.8:7JI M2G(PIL--,7)1PX(_DRXKA6-P`I4P:1IFG-2,^HPI3DI2F]%SJE@V:U68[ MSMK^:1(.XRTSXW1.6^*]UPERDGRB%^V[UO@YW(MHBH.*,!D2%!JM) M!L(7=4$`;(4'#!J08.$@PQC:C`7X@[(B#!J`@`UE;F1S=')E86T-96YD M;V)J#3$Q(#`@;V)J#3@U-`UE;F1O8FH-,3(@,!O8FH-/#P-+U1Y4@+UA/ M8FIE8W0-+U-U8G1Y4@+TEM86=E#2].86UE(]I;3$-+T9I;'1EB`O0T-) M5%187A$96-O94@#2]7:61T:`Q.#8S#2](96EG:'0@-3$S#2]:71S45R M0V]M]N96YT(#$-+T-O;]R4W!A8V4@+T1E=FEC94=R87D-+TQE;F=T:`Q M,R`P(%(-+T1E8V]D95!AFUS(#P\#2]+(TQ(]#;VQU;6YS(#$X-C,-/CX- M/CX-W1R96%M#0HFH'F2`SD,#P6B0D`T0PY5@!.0PY5@!.2`SD,#P6 MB0AAD!@AAD`W*L,@%RK#(!N2`R`S!X7_ M^09^(?R!'D,BX@G$/Y`\%KB#3Q`\%KYX,@%Y!.()Q`\%KB!CR0)Q!.( M9`:?3P9`:1\.#(#-___ M___X__D#'C`R*/_D,@,SY3AD`V_ M_R!X7O_\@T]D,X?_D,@SR0#C_ M\@?0SC/_(-70R`P,\AD!I=__Y!G[R M!CLAG[(?O()WY#(!OQ#(#,XAD!F]D,@,?___ M__*L.0S]^0(#R/R0/R0F00R`S2/__ M(#!FO___R!X,)LE_ M___D@!O___ M___D#P839+___('A4VE__R!Y M@(?_R#.`B?_\@4`(U_\@I`(+__RH`A)_Y#6`0)? MR#2`@I_\@8`0__R!K_Y!`$+?_\D`P?__ M___C_)J`P?___R080SD$#P)R,@T00,0/!:#(!X$X9`@,@T
RE: EU Official Languages
Richard You may find that Swedish can be acceptable for the four Scandinavian countries plus Iceland. Chris Colgan EMC Safety TAG McLaren Audio Ltd mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD [SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 29 June 1999 18:44 To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: EU Official Languages When a Directive requires information to be provided to the user, and that equipment is intended to marketed in every EU and EFTA country, what minimal set of languages must be used? I can think of the following languages that are used in these countries. Are there more languages that must be included? Can some of these be deleted? English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, and Norwegian (EFTA) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). = Authorised on 06/30/99 at 09:01:55; code 37453441FFF928DE. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Austalian A-Mark from OEM Supplier
To all: Can someone help me to clarify this issue. I have a OEM supplier that has A-tick mark in Australia. Do I have to obtain a obtain a supplier T-mark a reseller of the products. Dose it mean that I have to have to go replicate the Australian Safety, EMC, and Network test or I can use the supplier test data to obtain in Country A-Tick reseller number. What is he dose not have all the test. Then who will be responsible for maintaining the Compliance file? me as a reseller or my OEM? I understand that these are loaded question!I thank you for your response in advance. Regards, Nezam najafi Sr. Compliance Engineer Madge Networks, New Jersey Voice: 732-460-6825 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Safety Incident Reporting
My company is reviewing our plans for handling safety incidents and product recalls. I would appreciate it if you could point me to documents that contain such plans or if you could forward any plans that you may have. The one plan that I do have is from Managing Product Safety Activities by Paul Hill. Thanks in advance. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS
George, It is our understanding that If your equipment meets the appropriate sections of FCC Part 15, than no further testing is necessary for Canadian approval and your FCC report will be acceptable. However, an equipment label is required which is similar to the FCC Class A label. The suggested text is given in the Annex of ICES-003 . This Class (A or B) digital apparatus meets all requirements of the Canadian Interference-Causing Equipment Regulations. Best Regards, Dale Albright President EMC International, Inc. -Original Message- From: George Waters gwat...@digiceiver.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS I need some guidance on an indoor satellite receiver we build. Functionally it is similar to a DISH network receiver, but ours is not a consumer product. We worked with test labs to obtain conformance to FCC Part 15, and CE, for which we have a DOC. Now our US customer wants to lease some of the units in Canada. What else do we need to do? George Waters - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EMC encyclopedia ??
emf-emi control inc. P.O. Box D Gainesville Virginia 20156 540-347-0030 http://www.emf-emi.com -Original Message- From: ed.pr...@cubic.com [SMTP:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 9:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC Cc: Morel Grunberg Subject: Fw: EMC encyclopedia ?? Posted for Morel Grunberg morel.grunb...@telrad.co.il: From: Morel Grunberg morel.grunb...@telrad.co.il Subject: EMC encyclopedia ?? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:34:19 +0300 To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Hello, Looking for informations on how/where to get the Don White 'EMC encyclopedia' on hardcopy and/or CD ROMs. No findings on WEB search. Any help will be appreciated. Morel ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 Date: 06/29/1999 Time: 08:37:33 Military Avionics EMC Services Our Specialty Also Environmental / Metrology / Reliability -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS
Regarding FCC Part-15, it is accepted by Canadian authorities, but you must also have the compliance statement in French. FCC Part 15 COmpliance Statement: This device complies with Part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) This device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation. Canadian Compliance Statement: Cet appareil numerique de la classe A respecte toutes les exigences du Reglement sur le materiel brouilleur du Canada. For product safety, ITE equipment, there is the joint US/Canadian Bi-National standard UL1950 3rd Edition/ CAN CSA-C22.2 No. 950. You can have an NRTL do the test and issue an NRTL and cNRTL mark. Or you can use either UL or CSA and they will issue their marks and their respective mutual recognition marks. John A. Juhasz Product Qualification Compliance Engr. Fiber Options, Inc. 80 Orville Dr. Suite 102 Bohemia, NY 11716 USA Tel: 516-567-8320 ext. 324 Fax: 516-567-8322 -Original Message- From: Nezam Najafi [mailto:nezam.naj...@madge.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 2:15 PM To: 'George Waters'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS Hello George: Your FCC part 15 for emission is mutually recognized by Canada. As for Safety, US has UL1950 3rd Ed. while Canada has C22 NO. 950. These safety tests are almost identical with some dela. You need to get the Canadian safety certificate. Good Luck Nezam Najafi MADGE NETWORKS -Original Message- From: George Waters [mailto:gwat...@digiceiver.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 8:29 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS I need some guidance on an indoor satellite receiver we build. Functionally it is similar to a DISH network receiver, but ours is not a consumer product. We worked with test labs to obtain conformance to FCC Part 15, and CE, for which we have a DOC. Now our US customer wants to lease some of the units in Canada. What else do we need to do? George Waters - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EU Official Languages
We had several discussions about this issue. I presented to Engineering and Marketing the legal requirements from the directives and let them make the choice as to what languages we should actually use. In the end we decided to print in five languages - English, French, German, Spanish, Italian as a matter of course. Marketing came back with one special request to add either Swedish or Finnish, I can't remember which. We don't do any other languages. We have had no complaints as to what languages we either have or don't have. Except from our documentation people who have to make out the purchase requisitions for the translations which are very costly. Scott s_doug...@ecrm.com -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 1:44 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:EU Official Languages When a Directive requires information to be provided to the user, and that equipment is intended to marketed in every EU and EFTA country, what minimal set of languages must be used? I can think of the following languages that are used in these countries. Are there more languages that must be included? Can some of these be deleted? English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, and Norwegian (EFTA) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EU Official Languages
It should be borne in mind that there may be certain national consumer laws which require user documentation to be in the national language. Dave Wilson EMC Manager BABT Product Service -- Original Text -- From: POWELL, DOUG doug.pow...@aei.com, on 6/30/99 9:56 AM: Richard, I can only speak from my experience with the LVD and EMC directives. 1) The requirement for CE marked products is that the user documentation and the DoC be in one of the official languages of the EU. So, we use English as one of the languages. 2) That being said, the safety standards my company uses to comply with the CE mark, require that we provide user documentation in any of the other official languages if in fact our customer explicitly requires it by contract. However this may be a reduced size document containing only those portions that are specifically related to the safe installation, operation, maintenance and disposal of the product. It is not required that you translate sections like theory of operation, applications, sales literature, etc. 3) Additionally, when we certify a product through a notified body, in this case LGA in Nurnberg Germany, the national public safety law requires a manual in German. I suspect other nationalities within the EU have similar requirements for certified products. This policy has been confirmed by our representative from LGA America. -doug === Douglas E. Powell, Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 USA === -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:44 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: EU Official Languages When a Directive requires information to be provided to the user, and that equipment is intended to marketed in every EU and EFTA country, what minimal set of languages must be used? I can think of the following languages that are used in these countries. Are there more languages that must be included? Can some of these be deleted? English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, and Norwegian (EFTA) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Incident Reporting
Hi Richard, I recommend you check out the Consumer Product Safety Commission at http://www.cpsc.gov/ BTW Paul Hill's book is a great resource. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:54 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: Safety Incident Reporting My company is reviewing our plans for handling safety incidents and product recalls. I would appreciate it if you could point me to documents that contain such plans or if you could forward any plans that you may have. The one plan that I do have is from Managing Product Safety Activities by Paul Hill. Thanks in advance. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS
Canada requires that these markings be both in English and in French. Here is the exact wording, from Annex of ICES-003 : Canadian EMC statement in English and French: This Class (insert A or B) digital apparatus meets all requirements of the Canadian Interference-Causing Equipment Regulations. Cet appareil num/erique de la classe (A ou B) respecte toutes les exigences du R\eglement sur le mat/eriel brouilleur du Canada. (Accent aigue over a vowel is denoted by / before that vowel. Accent grave over a vowel is denoted by \ before that vowel. And both are underlined.) Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division tgr...@lucent.com -- From: Dale Albright [SMTP:da...@emclabs.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 7:51 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS George, It is our understanding that If your equipment meets the appropriate sections of FCC Part 15, than no further testing is necessary for Canadian approval and your FCC report will be acceptable. However, an equipment label is required which is similar to the FCC Class A label. The suggested text is given in the Annex of ICES-003 . This Class (A or B) digital apparatus meets all requirements of the Canadian Interference-Causing Equipment Regulations. Best Regards, Dale Albright President EMC International, Inc. -Original Message- From: George Waters gwat...@digiceiver.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: CANADIAN REQUIREMENTS I need some guidance on an indoor satellite receiver we build. Functionally it is similar to a DISH network receiver, but ours is not a consumer product. We worked with test labs to obtain conformance to FCC Part 15, and CE, for which we have a DOC. Now our US customer wants to lease some of the units in Canada. What else do we need to do? George Waters - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).