Re: Flow Meter EMC requirements

1999-11-03 Thread Dale Albright

For the US, it is likely that your equipment falls under Part 15 Subpart B
or Part 18 of the rules.
For the EU, it is likely that your equipment falls under the generic
emission and immunity requirements.
Further information about your product is required.

Part 15 is for unintentional radiating digital devices that use timing
signals in excess of 9kHz and uses digital techniques for the purpose of
performing data processing functions such as electronic computations, data
processing, storage, retrieval, transfer etc..  Does your flow meter perform
these type of functions?  Does it have or connect to a computer?  If not it
likely falls under part 18.  Furthermore, and not withstanding the answers
to the above, if the device is used exclusively as industrial, commercial,
or medical test equipment, then it is exempt from part 15 and will fall
under part 18.  However, it is also likely that for this type of equipment,
the test requirements (radiated and AC line conducted emissions) will be the
same whether part 15 or 18, assuming that the device does not intentionally
generate RF energy for the purpose of mechanical vibration, ionizing gases,
accelerating particles etc..  To that end, I will guess that your device
falls under Part 18 and is further classified under part 18.203(b) -
non-consumer ISM equipment, which requires "verification" under part 2
subpart J.  No evolvement by the FCC is required.

For the EU:
Your equipment falls under the product family standard EN 61326 (Electrical
equipment for measurement, control and laboratory use - EMC requirements).
Legally however, you may claim EMC compliance by applying the generic
emission and immunity standards EN 50081-2 and EN 50082-2 until July 1,
2001.
Further information about your product is necessary to determine all the
tests that would be required.  For example: is it AC and/or DC powered and
does it have long distance lines or I/O cables longer than 3 meters?

The above is for EMC compliance only.  There is safety issues as well.  The
CE mark presumes compliance with all applicable directives.  If you don't
get further info you can call our lab 919-554-0901.

Regards,

Dale Albright
President
EMC International, Inc.







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>Does anyone know what EMC standards are required
>for flow meters?
>
>Does it fall under Part15 for FCC
>CE Mark - What testing is required??
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RE: 90V & 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo

1999-11-03 Thread Grant, Tania (Tania)

Ages ago when I worked at another company that shipped products to Japan,
their unwritten rule was to design in power supplies that operated without
problems at 85 Vac, and that had better be designed/tested down to 80 Vac,
because of the continued brown-out conditions in Japan.   It seems nothing
much has changed.

I don't remember what was stated about the frequency tolerance.

Tania Grant,   tgr...@lucent.com   
Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group


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See the website below for global mains voltage/frequencies:

http://www.panelcomponents.com/guide.htm

The most notable example listed would be Japan, 100V @ 50Hz,
or 90V @ 47Hz under usual tolerances of -10% and -3Hz respectively.

George Alspaugh
Lexmark International Inc.
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Subject:  90V & 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo




Hello standards sages..

We have a product that "stumbles" when the input voltage/freq
is 90V/47Hz.

My question is..

Is this a reasonable test combo? Does anyone know of
a country that falls in this range?

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Re: 90V & 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo

1999-11-03 Thread Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US


Hi Chaz,

I'm sure the folks in Japan would certainly think it to be reasonable.
Power there is supplied at 100V 50Hz & 100V 60Hz depending where in Japan
you happen to be. Common input test conditions at 100V 50Hz line voltage
would be +6% (106V 53Hz) and -10% (90V 47Hz). As you can see, very
realistic. I also believe that Japan is the only country with such a power
distribution.

Best regards,
Ron Pickard
rpick...@hypercom.com





  
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Hello standards sages..

We have a product that "stumbles" when the input voltage/freq
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My question is..

Is this a reasonable test combo? Does anyone know of
a country that falls in this range?

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RE: Modem FCC type approval

1999-11-03 Thread Green, Henry

If I am not mistaken, I believe your friend will need FCC Part 68.
Best regards,
Henry E. Green
Gateway

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From:   Terry Meck [mailto:tjm...@accusort.com]
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To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Modem FCC type approval


Hello all:

A friend asked me today if he could purchase a transformer
that has
`FCC type approval' and use it to connect to the phone line.

He's an old AM Radio engineer.

I told him about the safety issues as outlined in the
Sept/Oct
`Compliance / Engineering'  Magazine but he was more
interested in the
FCC regulations on connecting to the phone line.  

On this I am ignorant.  We have avoided designing modems
always
purchase approved parts.

Any input will be appreciated.  

Thanks!

Best regards,
Terry J. Meck
Senior Compliance/Test Engineer
Phone:215-721-5280
Fax:215-721-5551 hard copy;
Fax PC: 215.799.1650 To my desk PC
tjm...@accusort.com
Accu-Sort Systems Inc.
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Flame retardants; PBBs, PBDEs etc...

1999-11-03 Thread Peter E. Perkins


PSNet, et al,

This arguement over the use of Brominated flame retaredants has
been going on for over 10 years...  Yes, some Euro environmentalists have
been pushing on this for a long time...

The technical issue is that any replacement materials don't seem to
work as well or are considerably more expensive...  so the practical
resolution hinges upon continuing development of appropriate additives to
plastic materials, including circuit boards, to maintain the fire retardant
properties needed for protection in the equipment...  There is no doubt
that this will be eventually worked out...  so far, manufacturers do not
seem to be jumping at the use of expensive, alternative materials
available...  

From an equipment manufacturer's point of view don't panic, one
should probably wait and let the materials suppliers work thru the
political and technical issues for some time...  Europeans won't shut down
progress overnite...  besides, there's plenty of market in the rest of the
world - which isn't so fussy at this point...  


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Re: 90V & 47Hz - Is this a realistic combo

1999-11-03 Thread Egon H. Varju


Charles,

47 Hz is a bit silly, since no power grid in the world uses this 
frequency.  Perhaps a private motor generator ...  But if you are using a 
switching power supply, the input frequency is not usually important.


However, 90 V is reasonable.  Some countries, like Japan, have a nominal 
voltage of 100 V, so you would be expected to operate normally at -10% (at 
least).  In fact, Std. 950, and others, require testing at -10%.


Cheers,
Egon :-)

At 03:59 PM 03/11/1999 , you wrote:


Hello standards sages..

We have a product that "stumbles" when the input voltage/freq
is 90V/47Hz.

My question is..

Is this a reasonable test combo? Does anyone know of
a country that falls in this range?


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E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd.
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Re: Chamber Grounding

1999-11-03 Thread Ken Javor

Here's my two cents worth:

1)  If I interpret you correctly, a green wire connection from the power
grid has not been made to the room.  This could conceivably be a safety
issue.  If you don't believe me, measure resistance between your dedicated
chamber ground rod and the facility rod closest to you (I've done this, and
even after a good rain I measure open circuit).  In my chamber, I connected
the power grid safety ground to the room AT THE SAME POINT at which I
connected the ground rod.  You can say it is a ground loop, but it does not
generate power frequency currents flowing on the room surface, which is the
only reason I can think of for maintaining an spg.  There is absolutely no
reason for maintaining a chamber spg for measurements made between 30 - 1000
MHz.

2) If you plan on running magnetic measurements at power frequencies per
MIL-STD-461 RE01 or commercial variations thereof, then an spg is mandatory
in order not to pollute your ambient. Of course, you also have to watch your
instrumentation grounding if the room has another connection to earth
ground.  You cannot both connect coax at a grounded chamber feedthrough
connector and to a grounded spectrum analyzer chassis outside the chamber.

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>Subject: FW: Chamber Grounding
>Date: Wed, Nov 3, 1999, 6:25 AM
>

>
>
>> Our chamber is grounded/isolated per the instructions of the vendor.  We
>> have one copper clad ground rod installed through a hole drilled in the
>> slab adjacent to the corner of the semi-anechoic chamber.  Other grounds
>> are isolated from the chamber (conduits, air pipes, water pipes, service
>> entrance safety ground, etc.).  The ground comes from the ground rod, not
>> the service entrance.
>>
>> 1)  Is "single-point-ground" as described above for Tempest?  Is the
>> degree of isolation useful for typical commercial work?  The chamber spec
>> is 100 dB isolation.  For our immediate work, 60 dB of isolation is
>> adequate.  Is there any correlation between chamber isolation and
>> effectiveness of the ferrites for the uniform field required for immunity
>> testing?  Is there some other observable sensitivity such as degraded RF
>> measurements that would result from not observing the isolation?  What
>> would the manifestations be?
>>
>> 2)  Using the isolation as described above, has anyone experience ground
>> loop problems between the service entrance power and the local chamber
>> power distribution due to the "single point ground" concept defined above?
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Umbdenstock
>> Sensormatic
>>
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RE: PBBs (Polybrominated Biphenyls), and PBDEs (polybrominated d iphe nyl ethers).

1999-11-03 Thread Darrell Locke (MSMail)

Yes, these are used as flame retardants in some plastics.  Check with the
resin manufacturers, they should know about it.  GE Plastics for instance,
has published a document stating which plastics have the PBBs.

Darrell Locke
Advanced Input Devices
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Subject: PBBs (Polybrominated Biphenyls),  and PBDEs (polybrominated diphe
nyl ethers).
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Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:56AM


The European Commission is contemplating a directive (the WEEE directive)
that, in its current draft, will require a phase out of the use of some
substances typically found in electronic devices, including PBBs
(Polybrominated Biphenyls),  and PBDEs (polybrominated diphenyl ethers).

I wonder if these chemicals are the ones typically used to provide printed
circuit boards with their flame retardant qualities (i.e. UL 94-V0 rating).

Does anyone out there know?

Best Regards,
Lauren Crane
Eaton Corporation.

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Re: Flow Meter EMC requirements

1999-11-03 Thread Wolfgang Josenhans


The definition of a Digital deveice per FCC part 15.3 is:

 " Digital device.  (Previously defined as a computing device.)  An
unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals
or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses
digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital
techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency
energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as
electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing,
sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer.  A radio frequency device that is
specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule part or
an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this part that contains a
digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the
digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device
and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities."

If your  flow meter matches this definition and does not fall into the exemption
listed in:

  "15.103  Exempted devices. - The following devices are subject only to the
general conditions of operation in 
ยงยง15.5 and 15.29 and are exempt from the
specific technical standards and other requirements contained in this part.  The
operator of the exempted device shall be required to stop operating the device
upon a finding by the Commission or its representative that the device is
causing harmful interference.  Operation shall not resume until the condition
causing the harmful interference has been corrected.  Although not mandatory, it
is strongly recommended that the manufacturer of an exempted device endeavor to
have the device meet the specific technical standards in this part.

 (a)  A digital device utilized exclusively in any transportation vehicle
including motor vehicles and aircraft.

 (b)  A digital device used exclusively as an electronic control or power
system utilized by a public utility or in an industrial plant.  The term public
utility
 includes equipment only to the extent that it is in a dedicated building or
 large room owned or leased by the utility and does not extend to equipment
installed
 in a subscriber's facility.

 (c)  A digital device used exclusively as industrial, commercial, or
medical test equipment.

 (d)  A digital device utilized exclusively in an appliance, e.g., microwave
 oven, dishwasher, clothes dryer, air conditioner (central or window), etc.

 (e)  Specialized medical digital devices (generally used at the direction
of or under the supervision of a licensed health care practitioner) whether used
 in a
 patient's home or a health care facility.  Non-specialized medical devices,
 i.e., devices marketed through retail channels for use by the general public,
are not
 exempted.   This exemption also does not apply to digital devices used for
record keeping or any purpose not directly connected with medical treatment.

 (f)  Digital devices that have a power consumption not exceeding 6 nW.

 (g)  Joystick controllers or similar devices, such as a mouse, used with
digital devices but which contain only non-digital circuitry or a simple circuit
 to convert
 the signal to the format required (e.g., an integrated circuit for analog
to digital conversion) are viewed as passive add-on devices, not themselves
directly
 subject to the technical standards or the equipment authorization
requirements.

 (h)  Digital devices in which both the highest frequency generated and the
highest frequency used are less than 1.705 MHz and which do not operate from
 the AC power lines or contain provisions for operation while connected to
the AC power lines.  Digital devices that include, or make provision for the use
 of,
 battery eliminators, AC adaptors or battery chargers which permit operation
 while charging or that connect to the AC power lines indirectly obtaining their

 power through another device which is connected to the AC power lines, do
not fall under this exemption.

 (i)  Responsible parties should note that equipment containing more than
one device is not exempt from the technical standards in this part unless all of
 the
 devices in the equipment meet the criteria for exemption.  If only one of
the included devices qualifies for exemption, the remainder of the equipment
must
 comply with any applicable regulations.  If a device performs more than one
 function and all of those functions do not meet the criteria for exemption, the

 device does not qualify for inclusion under the exemptions."

Then FCC Part 15 applies, and EMI testing in accordance with ANSI C63.4 is
required.
Regards,






chasgra...@aol.com on 11/03/99 12:08:12 PM

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RE: Chamber Grounding

1999-11-03 Thread Lou Gnecco

Don, scott has a good point: if you use a single point grount you might as
well use an isolation transformer to put the room on its own ground. This is
a great way to set up yur room, but it can lead to the problems scott
mentioned and one other big one:

if your room is on its own ground (i.e. has its own power)  and the rest of
your lab runs off the building's power, you can ruin a receiver or spectrum
analyzer when you try to connect it to a feed thru on the room's wall. In
our lab, we took extreme measures to avoid this.
You would have to REALLY TRY to power an instrument from anything
other than the shielded room's power. You would have to move a safe or a
refrigerator before you could do it wrong. We have had lots of clients thru
our lab in the ten plus years we've been in there, and have never had a
problem. 
Most of these are young "hands on" type engineers too. They like to
twist knobs and try things, vs. just watching us work. We encourage them to
do that but brief them when they come in, then we make it almost impossible
for them to mess up.  
So far, so good! :)

lou
 


At 10:49 AM 11/3/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Don,
>
>One other point that needs mentioning re. chamber grounding is the safety
>issue. When our chamber was installed, the electrician connected a #6 ground
>wire to an existing bus block that is wired to a driven rod in the basement.
>While working above the chamber he got a nasty shock when he came into
>contact with a metal air-conditioning duct. A piece of metal conduit with
>one end pressing against the chamber wall would exhibit a fat blue spark
>when the other end touched any grounded metal. It turned out that the ground
>rod clamp had become corroded. The leakage current from the line filters
>supplying the chamber is several amperes, which certainly could be lethal.
>
>Your single-point ground should be carefully checked (and periodically
>rechecked). I would recommend connecting the wire to the rod using TWO
>clamps of the one-piece type for redundancy. Conductive grease helps prevent
>corrosion.
>
>Scott Lacey
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From:   umbdenst...@sensormatic.com
>[SMTP:umbdenst...@sensormatic.com]
>   Sent:   Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:25 AM
>   To: emc-p...@ieee.org
>   Subject:FW: Chamber Grounding
>
>
>
>   > Our chamber is grounded/isolated per the instructions of the
>vendor.  We
>   > have one copper clad ground rod installed through a hole drilled
>in the
>   > slab adjacent to the corner of the semi-anechoic chamber.  Other
>grounds
>   > are isolated from the chamber (conduits, air pipes, water pipes,
>service
>   > entrance safety ground, etc.).  The ground comes from the ground
>rod, not
>   > the service entrance.
>   > 
>   > 1)  Is "single-point-ground" as described above for Tempest?  Is
>the
>   > degree of isolation useful for typical commercial work?  The
>chamber spec
>   > is 100 dB isolation.  For our immediate work, 60 dB of isolation
>is
>   > adequate.  Is there any correlation between chamber isolation and
>   > effectiveness of the ferrites for the uniform field required for
>immunity
>   > testing?  Is there some other observable sensitivity such as
>degraded RF
>   > measurements that would result from not observing the isolation?
>What
>   > would the manifestations be? 
>   > 
>   > 2)  Using the isolation as described above, has anyone experience
>ground
>   > loop problems between the service entrance power and the local
>chamber
>   > power distribution due to the "single point ground" concept
>defined above?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Don Umbdenstock
>   > Sensormatic
>   > 
>
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NPSS 5th Annual Vendors' Night - Two Weeks from Today

1999-11-03 Thread Art Michael

Hello fellow PSTC'ers,

It's only two weeks until the 5th Annual Vendor's Night will be held at
the Holiday Inn in Marlborough MA.  If you or your colleagues are in the
area - don't miss the singularly best Product Safety Show in the USA.
Lot's of EMC resources too. 

Our tables (50 of them) are Sold-Out!!!  The general announcement below
has been updated (check it out to see who's exhibiting).  

We'd truly hope this will be a memorable event for both visitors and
exhibitors.  Your presence will contribute to success of the evening. The
Buffet Dinner is Free to NPSS Members and available at a nominal cost to
others. You can register on our Webpages at: 

Regards, Art Michael, President - Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc.
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The NORTHEAST PRODUCT SAFETY SOCIETY, Inc.

Invites you to attend our

5th Annual Vendors' Night

   November 17, 1999

 FREE Admission!!  SAVE THIS DATE!!

5:00 p.m.   Registration & FREE Appetizers, Courtesy - Intertek Testing
Services
5:30Exhibition Opens
6:00-7:30   Buffet Dinner, Registration Info Below
9:00Exhibition Closes
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   Deli Buffet, Coffee and Dessert
FREE to NPSS Members and at a Reduced Rate to others

 Holiday Inn Hotel and Suites
   265 Lakeside Ave, Marlborough MA
 Junction of Routes I-495 and US20, Exit 24A,
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Visit with Agencies, Test Labs, Consultants & Suppliers of product safety
& EMC components, materials, services and test equipment.  The following
list includes nearly all of this year's exhibitors and is offered to give
you a sense of the quality and breadth of exhibitors who support our
event.

APM, AFI LLC, Associated Research, Bell Controls, BSI Testing, CE
Magazine, CSA International, Chomerics - Seal Div. Compliance Worldwide,
Conformity Magazine, Conti-Younger/Corcom, Connors Co., Contact East,
Curtis-Straus, Detecon, Educated Design & Dev't, EMC Test Systems, EmScan,
Entela, Ergonomics, Inc., EuroPort/EUROCONSULT, FairRite Products, FM
Research, Haefely Trench, Boston IEEE-EMC Society, Integrity Design &
Test, Int'l Product Safety News, Intertek Testing Services, KeyTek, Lucent
Technologies, M.Swank Associates, Marathon Sales, M.A.Lamothe &
Associates, National Technical Systems, Olsen Technical Sales/Panel
Components Corp, Panashield, QuadTech, Quantum Change EMC Systems, Quest
Engineering, Retlif Testing Labs, San-O Industrial Corp., Schaffner,
Schlegel Systesm, Scientific Devices NE, Stratus Test Labs, Synergistic
Component Sales, Tektronix, TuV Essen, TuV Product Service, TuV Rheinland
of NA, UL, Voltech Instruments, Wayne Kerr Electronics, WW Wilson
Associates's and more  
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 Meet and network with your friends, colleagues and vendors.

 For additional information visit NPSS's Website:

   http://www.safetylink.com/#NPSS

* For Buffet reservations; To reserve your place at the Deli Buffet,
  just go to  and complete the Dinner
  Reservation form found there.

* Vendors: To reserve your table/s, or for further information; Contact,
  Robert O. Chaplis, NPSS Treasurer and Chair for this event.
  Additional Vendor information can be found at the website address noted
  above.

  Ph (978) 589-7597, Fx (978) 589-7007, Em chapl...@genrad.com

  NPSS, Inc. (a 501(3)(c) Corp.)  REF:vnite1199.txt (11/02/99)


Please post or distribute a copy of this notice wherever others who might
be interested in attending the show will see it.  ThanX, AEM/NPSS, Inc.










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