RE: Odd CE Marking Question
Is there a Directive for decorative items, or perhaps for props or stage equipment, which might be more appropriate? LEF --- Louis E. Fischer Compliance Engineer Cisco Systems, Inc. 12515 Research Blvd, Bldg 4 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 378-1723 FAX: (512) 378-1251 -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grant, Tania (Tania) Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:24 AM To: Kevin Harris; 'Steve Brody' Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: Odd CE Marking Question I don't know, Steve. That might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire;-- has the dummy been evaluated to be a safe toy??? ;) Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Switching Solutions Group Intelligent Network and Messaging Solutions -- From: Steve Brody[SMTP:sbr...@prodigy.net] Reply To: Steve Brody Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:21 PM To: Kevin Harris Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Re: Odd CE Marking Question Having read through most of the responses as of this writing, and finding, as expected, very valid and well positioned recommendations and suggestions, I submit that if this is intended to be a dummy intended to make people believe that it is what it is supposed to be, even if it is not, then a CE Marking and other labels may be required to complete the ruse. If, as some of our colleagues believe that CE Marking and claiming compliance to LVD or EMC is not valid and should not be done, then treat the dummy as it is and claim compliance to the Toys Directive and mark the product with a CE Marking. Steve Brody Sr. Compliance Engineer Thermo NESLAB steve.br...@neslab.com or sbr...@prodigy.net . Kevin Harris wrote: Hello Group, I just had a question posed to me that made me think a little bit. So I will pose it to all of you. First some preamble. A device is going to be made for the European market. It is in fact a dummy device in that it looks like the real thing but it is not. The only electronics inside is a bridge rectifier and a RC circuit to blink a LED. The device can be powered by either an AC or DC source up to 30 V. The power source is not supplied. For this industry (security) there is a product family standard for EMC. The device is not a mock up for store display purposes but is in fact used in the industry to give the impression that there are more of these devices around than there really are. So the moment has arrived, do you CE mark the device? If you say yes, what directive did you apply? If you say no, what is your reasoning? Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 Email: harr...@dscltd.com mailto:harr...@dscltd.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Odd CE Marking Question
I hope not;-- please don't give these (B)(E)urocrats any ideas! Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Switching Solutions Group Intelligent Network and Messaging Solutions -- From: Louis Fischer[SMTP:lofis...@cisco.com] Reply To: Louis Fischer Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:02 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: Odd CE Marking Question Is there a Directive for decorative items, or perhaps for props or stage equipment, which might be more appropriate? LEF --- Louis E. Fischer Compliance Engineer Cisco Systems, Inc. 12515 Research Blvd, Bldg 4 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 378-1723 FAX: (512) 378-1251 -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grant, Tania (Tania) Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:24 AM To: Kevin Harris; 'Steve Brody' Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: Odd CE Marking Question I don't know, Steve. That might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire;-- has the dummy been evaluated to be a safe toy??? ;) Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Switching Solutions Group Intelligent Network and Messaging Solutions -- From: Steve Brody[SMTP:sbr...@prodigy.net] Reply To: Steve Brody Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:21 PM To: Kevin Harris Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Re: Odd CE Marking Question Having read through most of the responses as of this writing, and finding, as expected, very valid and well positioned recommendations and suggestions, I submit that if this is intended to be a dummy intended to make people believe that it is what it is supposed to be, even if it is not, then a CE Marking and other labels may be required to complete the ruse. If, as some of our colleagues believe that CE Marking and claiming compliance to LVD or EMC is not valid and should not be done, then treat the dummy as it is and claim compliance to the Toys Directive and mark the product with a CE Marking. Steve Brody Sr. Compliance Engineer Thermo NESLAB steve.br...@neslab.com or sbr...@prodigy.net . Kevin Harris wrote: Hello Group, I just had a question posed to me that made me think a little bit. So I will pose it to all of you. First some preamble. A device is going to be made for the European market. It is in fact a dummy device in that it looks like the real thing but it is not. The only electronics inside is a bridge rectifier and a RC circuit to blink a LED. The device can be powered by either an AC or DC source up to 30 V. The power source is not supplied. For this industry (security) there is a product family standard for EMC. The device is not a mock up for store display purposes but is in fact used in the industry to give the impression that there are more of these devices around than there really are. So the moment has arrived, do you CE mark the device? If you say yes, what directive did you apply? If you say no, what is your reasoning? Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 Email: harr...@dscltd.com mailto:harr...@dscltd.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, application/ms-tnef
NAFTA Certification?
Greetings all you EMC gurus! One of my customers just requested information as to the status of our product's NAFTA compliance as it applies to Mexico. Anybody have information on this? Thanks! -- Randall Flinders EMC Engineer Emulex Corporation - We Network Storage 3535 Harbor Blvd. Costa Mesa, Ca. 92626 (714) 513-8012 voice (714) 513-8265 fax randall.flind...@emulex.com Chairman Orange County Chapter IEEE EMC Society r.flind...@ieee.orgattachment: Randall.Flinders.vcf
Re: 950 Pollution degree detirmination
3ad1daa8.9000...@ma.ultranet.com, Robert Johnson robe...@ma.ultranet.com inimitably wrote: The following is from IEC TC74's document 74/585/NP on Equipment Installed Outdoors, a proposed supplement to IEC 60950. It has not been adopted, but give an idea of the current thinking in TC74. Well, I hope it's rejected as New Work, insofar as it largely specifies construction or design instead of performance, which is the best form of standardization. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not call a vertically- applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar chernozem-penetrating and excavating implement a SPADE? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Odd CE Marking Question
I don't know, Steve. That might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire;-- has the dummy been evaluated to be a safe toy??? ;) Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Switching Solutions Group Intelligent Network and Messaging Solutions -- From: Steve Brody[SMTP:sbr...@prodigy.net] Reply To: Steve Brody Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:21 PM To: Kevin Harris Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Re: Odd CE Marking Question Having read through most of the responses as of this writing, and finding, as expected, very valid and well positioned recommendations and suggestions, I submit that if this is intended to be a dummy intended to make people believe that it is what it is supposed to be, even if it is not, then a CE Marking and other labels may be required to complete the ruse. If, as some of our colleagues believe that CE Marking and claiming compliance to LVD or EMC is not valid and should not be done, then treat the dummy as it is and claim compliance to the Toys Directive and mark the product with a CE Marking. Steve Brody Sr. Compliance Engineer Thermo NESLAB steve.br...@neslab.com or sbr...@prodigy.net . Kevin Harris wrote: Hello Group, I just had a question posed to me that made me think a little bit. So I will pose it to all of you. First some preamble. A device is going to be made for the European market. It is in fact a dummy device in that it looks like the real thing but it is not. The only electronics inside is a bridge rectifier and a RC circuit to blink a LED. The device can be powered by either an AC or DC source up to 30 V. The power source is not supplied. For this industry (security) there is a product family standard for EMC. The device is not a mock up for store display purposes but is in fact used in the industry to give the impression that there are more of these devices around than there really are. So the moment has arrived, do you CE mark the device? If you say yes, what directive did you apply? If you say no, what is your reasoning? Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 Email: harr...@dscltd.com mailto:harr...@dscltd.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, application/ms-tnef
ETSI
A friend has asked me about the relevant European standard(s) used for data communication through existing, in-house, power wiring. I am inclined to recommend the ETSI (European Telecommunications Standards Institute). Is this the correct and most applicable standards organization? Can someone suggest a specific document number? Thanks Rick --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: 950 Pollution degree detirmination
The following is from IEC TC74's document 74/585/NP on Equipment Installed Outdoors, a proposed supplement to IEC 60950. It has not been adopted, but give an idea of the current thinking in TC74. IPX6 is not addressed, but reference is made back to IEC 60950 for Pollution degree 1. It looks like this is a matter for negotiation with your certification agency. Bob 9 Protection of equipment within an outdoor enclosure 9.1 Protection from moisture The OUTDOOR ENCLOSURE shall provide adequate protection from the effect of moisture on the enclosed equipment. Examples of constructions regarded as meeting the requirements are shown in table 2. NOTE 1 - This does not preclude OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT being constructed with segmented volumes, each providing a different Pollution Degree. NOTE 2 - For consideration of the effects of the presence of conductive pollution, as opposed to non-conductive pollution which may become conductive only due to the presence of moisture, see the relevant requirements in IEC 60529. Table 2 - Examples of the application of enclosures to provide protection 1. The use of an ENCLOSURE meeting the IPX4 or the Annex B requirements relating to the ingress of water is considered to provide a Pollution Degree 3 environment within the ENCLOSURE. 2. Control of the Pollution Degree 3 environment to Pollution Degree 2 can be accomplished by either: - providing continuous energization of the enclosed equipment; or - providing separate heating within the OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT or OUTDOOR ENCLOSURE; or - the use of an ENCLOSURE meeting IP54. 3. Further control of the environment at the insulation surface to Pollution Degree 1 can be accomplished by the methods in IEC 60950-1, for example, encapsulation, potting or coating. Where necessary, the ENCLOSURE of OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT shall be provided with drain holes to control the accumulation of moisture due to: - entrance of water through openings; and - condensation, when this is likely to occur (for example, keeping the equipment energized or separately heating the equipment is considered to keep it free of condensation). The provision of drain holes and their location shall be taken into consideration when determining the IP rating. Compliance is checked by inspection and, if necessary, by the relevant tests of IEC 60529 or annex B. Prior to testing, the equipment shall be mounted, so far as is reasonably practicable, according to the manufacturer's installation instructions. If fans or other means for ventilation are provided, which could affect the ingress of water, the test shall be conducted with the ventilation means both ON and OFF unless it is evident that one of the modes of operation will produce the most onerous result. At the conclusion of the test the following conditions shall exist: -For OUTDOOR ENCLOSURES - no water shall have entered the ENCLOSURE. -For OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT - water is permitted to enter the ENCLOSURE provided it does not: .. deposit on insulation where it could lead to tracking along the creepage distance, .. deposit on bare live parts or wiring, or on windings not designed to operate when wet, or .. enter any supply wiring space, see IEC 60950-1, 3.2.9. 9.2 Protection from plants and vermin... Massey, Doug C. wrote: Hello group - In the -950 series standards, three Pollution Degrees are defined for detirming insulation coordination. For instance, in EN60950 3rd Ed., clause 2.10.1 defines Pollution Degree 1 for components and subassemblies which are sealed so as to exclude dust and moisture (see 2.10.7). Clause 2.10.7 gives test requirements for temp cycling, humidity, and electric strength tests, although compliance to the clause is given as ...inspection from the outside, measurement, and, if necessary, by test. I would like to use Pollution Degree 1 when evaluating a product that has a dust and water ingress rating of IP66 per IEC - 60529, Degrees of protection provided by enclosures (IP Code) . The product itself is intended for use in a Pollution Degree 3 environment, but the creepages and clearances inside the unit are subject to Pollution Degree 1, thanks to the protection provided by the enclosure. Is the IEC-60529 report, showing a IP rating of IP66, adequate to satisfy the requirements of 2.10.1 2.10.7 for using Pollution Degree 1 when assessing clearance and creepage ? Thanks in advance. Doug Massey Safety Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. Norcross, GA., USA Ph. (770) 447-4224 x3607 FAX (770) 447-6928 e-mail: masse...@lxe.com Cruise our website at: http:\\www.lxe.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:
RE: various standards
Dear All, I would like the same information except safety, emc, radio standards and approval procedures (authorities) for the various major countries in the five continents around the world (N. America, S. America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia/New Zealand). A tabular format of this information would be most appreciated. I assume that a variable would be the frequencies involved. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: 972-3-5339022 Fax: 972-3-5339019 Mobile: 972-54-838175 -Original Message- From: Gaby F. Abboud [mailto:gabb...@zoomtel.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:06 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: various standards Hi All, Does anyone in this forum knows where is the best site to find information on safety and EMC standards related to wireless radio products for compliance in various countries such as: Spain, Russia, Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, and others. Thanks in advance. Gaby F. Abboud Senior Compliance Engineer Zoom Telephonics Inc. 207 South Street Boston, MA 02111 Direct 617-753-0046 Main 617-423-1072 Fax 617-542-8276 E-mail gabb...@zoom.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: RCIC is dead?
It would appear that the Regulatory Compliance Information Center, previously found at http://www.rcic.com http://www.rcic.com , has been moved to the following address: http://www.cfont.com/ http://www.cfont.com/ The new site still has some incomplete links, but we better bookmark this new address. I don't know if RCIC has a new host, or if this is just name shuffling. Ed -Original Message- From: John Juhasz [mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:35 AM To: 'James, Chris'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RCIC is dead? Thanks for the info. I am surprised that they (RCIC) didn't post that information themselves .. . .. I'm sure there's a good reason . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: James, Chris [ mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk ] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:16 AM To: 'Benoit Nadeau'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RCIC is dead? It was working about two weeks ago, however I just found a different (new?) and incomplete site at http://www.cfont.com/ http://www.cfont.com/ , where under newsgroups / emc-pstc your very question below is listed! Chris -Original Message- From: Benoit Nadeau [ mailto:bnad...@matrox.com mailto:bnad...@matrox.com ] Sent: 06 April 2001 16:31 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RCIC is dead? Bonjour de Montréal, I have been trying to reach the RCIC web site at : http://www.rcic.com http://www.rcic.com for days and I always get a error back. Is this site dead? Did it change location? Thank you in advance for your replies, == Benoît Nadeau, ing., M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox == Tel : (514) 822-6000 (2475) Fax : (514) 822-6275 mailto:bnad...@matrox.com mailto:bnad...@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com http://www.matrox.com == Président / Chairman 2001 IEEE International Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility mailto:bnad...@ieee.org mailto:bnad...@ieee.org http://www.2001emcmtl.org http://www.2001emcmtl.org
FCC, radar detectors and NOAA
I'm running into an interesting dilemma. We have been shipping automotive radar detectors without FCC certification based on the rule 15.103 (a) Exempted Devices because they are a digital device utilized exclusively in any transportation vehicle including motor vehicles and aircraft. We are now adding a NOAA scanning receiver to these detectors. Several questions come up... 1) Are we still exempt based on the above rule 15.103? 2) If we are not exempt, then under what rule do we now apply? 3) Given the fact that the local oscillator on the radar detector is around 11GHz, do we need to test up to that range even if the radio receiver is at a much lower frequency and the radar portion is supposed to be exempt? 4) Most importantly, have we been making the wrong assumption from the start and the radar detectors should have been tested all along? Appreciate the feedback... ROG --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
various standards
Hi All, Does anyone in this forum knows where is the best site to find information on safety and EMC standards related to wireless radio products for compliance in various countries such as: Spain, Russia, Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, and others. Thanks in advance. Gaby F. Abboud Senior Compliance Engineer Zoom Telephonics Inc. 207 South Street Boston, MA 02111 Direct 617-753-0046 Main 617-423-1072 Fax 617-542-8276 E-mail gabb...@zoom.com attachment: winmail.dat
RE: RCIC is dead?
Thanks for the info. I am surprised that they (RCIC) didn't post that information themselves .. . .. I'm sure there's a good reason . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: James, Chris [mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:16 AM To: 'Benoit Nadeau'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RCIC is dead? It was working about two weeks ago, however I just found a different (new?) and incomplete site at http://www.cfont.com/ , where under newsgroups / emc-pstc your very question below is listed! Chris -Original Message- From: Benoit Nadeau [mailto:bnad...@matrox.com] Sent: 06 April 2001 16:31 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RCIC is dead? Bonjour de Montréal, I have been trying to reach the RCIC web site at : http://www.rcic.com for days and I always get a error back. Is this site dead? Did it change location? Thank you in advance for your replies, == Benoît Nadeau, ing., M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox == Tel : (514) 822-6000 (2475) Fax : (514) 822-6275 mailto:bnad...@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com == Président / Chairman 2001 IEEE International Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility mailto:bnad...@ieee.org http://www.2001emcmtl.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: A14 documentation / adding supporting standard(s) to be liste d on the DoC
When I retest a product to updated standards, I issue a new DoC but I retain the old DoC in the product's compliance documentation. Regards Chris Colgan Compliance Engineer TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU *Tel: +44 (0)1480 415 627 *Fax: +44 (0)1480 52159 * Mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com * http://www.tagmclarenaudio.com -Original Message- From: Terry Meck [SMTP:tjm...@accusort.com] Sent: 06 April 2001 19:16 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: A14 documentation / adding supporting standard(s) to be listed on the DoC When updating a declaration, as in this case, what is the accepted practice create a new Declaration with the additional standards referenced or amending the previous one. I have always created a new one. Is there any argument for one over the other? Terry J. Meck Accu-Sort Systems Inc. wo...@sensormatic.com 04/06/01 01:12PM More correctly, equipment under 75W is exempt from test, but not exempt from the standard. The standard must still be listed on the Declaration. Regarding EN 61000-3-3, Clause 6.1 says, Tests shall not be made on equipment which is unlikely to produce significant voltage fluctuations or flicker. Again, the standard must be listed on the Declaration. Richard Woods -- From: David Barr Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:05 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; db...@netopia.com Subject: Re: A14 documentation Richard, In answer to the original query, I read A14 and equipment under 75W is exempt from 61000-3-2. I found no such exemption for 61000-3-3. Regards -Barr wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: Mike, first of all, the use of harmonized standards is voluntary. You may choose not to use them and find some other means to demonstrate compliance with the essential requirements of the EMC Directive. If you choose to use the harmonized standard, you must use the latest revision that provides the presumption of conformity. What revision is that? It includes any and all amendments that have a date of withdrawal (dow) that has expired. The dow for A14 will not expire until 2004-01-01. You can find the dow in A14 and you can also find the list of harmonized standards published in the OJ with the dows listed. A new list was published this week. Check out http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm Richard Woods -- From: Mike Stone Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:57 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: A14 documentation Good Afternoon, Are all products under 16 Amps required to be tested to A 14 of 6100-3-2 and 6100-3-3? If so, where can I find the exact documentation that states this. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Michael Stone L. S. Compliance W66 N220 Commerce Court Cedarburg, WI 53012 V 262-375-4400 F 262-375-4248 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc
RE: RCIC is dead?
It was working about two weeks ago, however I just found a different (new?) and incomplete site at http://www.cfont.com/ , where under newsgroups / emc-pstc your very question below is listed! Chris -Original Message- From: Benoit Nadeau [mailto:bnad...@matrox.com] Sent: 06 April 2001 16:31 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RCIC is dead? Bonjour de Montréal, I have been trying to reach the RCIC web site at : http://www.rcic.com for days and I always get a error back. Is this site dead? Did it change location? Thank you in advance for your replies, == Benoît Nadeau, ing., M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox == Tel : (514) 822-6000 (2475) Fax : (514) 822-6275 mailto:bnad...@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com == Président / Chairman 2001 IEEE International Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility mailto:bnad...@ieee.org http://www.2001emcmtl.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Israeli Compliance Requirements?
Paul Hello, I assume your product is ITE with no telecom interfaces. For telecom products the Israel Ministry of Communications is the address. ITL can help in all telecom product approvals. 1. For ITE (no telecoms) , you or importer needs to get in touch with the Israel Ministry of Industry and Trade to see if you could get exemptions for your products from being tested at SII (Standards Institution of Israel). An exemption may be given based on CB Test Reports and EMC test reports from accredited labs. 2. If products need to be tested by SII, the applicable standard is IS1121 which also includes emc. The standard is harmonized with the IEC 950 (third edition as of May of next month). 3. SII cost for getting approval. Cost for full testing could be up to $3000 (safety + emc) but it all depends on the product. 4. ITL can help you process the SII submittal for tests and certification. If you need additional help, please contact me. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: 972-3-5339022 Fax: 972-3-5339019 Mobile: 972-54-838175 -Original Message- From: paul_j_sm...@notes.teradyne.com [mailto:paul_j_sm...@notes.teradyne.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Israeli Compliance Requirements? Good Morning, Does anyone know if there are any Israeli regulatory requirements or certifications marks for safety and EMC for products to Israel? Thanks in advance for any replies. Best Regards, Paul J Smith Teradyne, Inc., Boston, MA 02111 paul.j.sm...@teradyne.com Voice 617-422-2997 Fax 603-843-7526 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
