ESD Consultant
I need to locate an ESD consultant who can advise my company on robustness testing levels for quality assurance purposes. I would appreciate your recommendations. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Boca Raton, Florida --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
FCC Chairman Powell NEBS
Chairman Powell witnesses, first hand, the devestation in New York. Interesting... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-216263A1.pdf Thanks, Mike Cantwell, PE, NCE Flextronics Compliance Laboratories 762 Park Ave. Youngsville, NC 27596 Tel: (919) 554-0901 Fax: (919) 556-2043 Cell: (919) 815-4067 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: WTC - voice alarm system?
It is my hope no takes offense with what I'm about to say. It is not intended to have that effect. The ASQ is not any sort of regulatory agency at all. It can only suggest things to be done in light of quality standards. To make such effects would be to input and effect changes within the NEC or the NFPA. Those agencies can most definately impose immediate effects. It is not without great sympathy for those who died that I say this is a professional forum by professionals. And that there is no secure data being discussed here. It is precisely the effect to be restrictive about open exchange of information that terrorists want to have. In light of the fact that someone's daughter I know was on the plane which went down in Pennsylvania, would we, should NOT discuss the safety issues of knives aboard a plane? Where would this restriction stop? Or does it? What subjects are to be restricted here? I think it was most appropriate for John to ask the initial question and I would support such discussions in the future. And it is with my deepest apologies if this offends anyone. It was not my intention. - Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: WTC - voice alarm system?
Paul, American Society for Quality ( website, http:/www.asq.org ) is asking for professionals to volunteer for a panel to do this type of analysis. Probabilistic evaluations (Reliability, Quality, Fault Tree) are more ASQ than EMC. We all want to do something constructive and are frustrated by our inability to contribute. Here is a chance for us to help. David -Original Message- From: paul_j_sm...@notes.teradyne.com@PITTWAYNOTES Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:54 AM To: Whitehouse, Terence (Terry) twhiteho...@avaya.com Cc: 'Price, Ed' ed.pr...@cubic.com; 'david_ster...@ademco.com' david_ster...@ademco.com; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? Folks, The subject discussion is appropriate for the audience if it can be focused on possible methods to continue to ensure safety compliance. Several Standards (including SEMI S10, EN 1050 etc. ) require that a written risk assessment also be provided to demonstrate compliance to the relevant safety standard. Many compliance engineers are also involved in risk evaluations of one type or another of the following. 1. ) Fault Tree Analysis (FTA) 2.) Risk Assessments 3.) Failure Mode Effects Analysis (FMEA) 4.) Reliability and /or Quality Assurance Regards,Paul J Smith, Teradyne, Boston Whitehouse, Terence (Terry) twhiteho...@avaya.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 09/18/2001 04:05:23 PM Please respond to Whitehouse, Terence (Terry) twhiteho...@avaya.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org To: 'Price, Ed' ed.pr...@cubic.com, 'david_ster...@ademco.com' david_ster...@ademco.com, j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? Ed, The name of this forum is EMC-PSTC - EMC and product safety. For us a group, speculating on general matters of security is not appropriate. There are other professional bodies and organizations created and staffed specifically to address this very sensitive subject. Let us focus on what were are here to do - promote the design and placement of our products in the global marketplace. Design of annunciation systems hardened against (i.e. immune to) unauthorized external signals is what we should be endeavoring to create. Human dynamics should be the province of those specializing in the subject. I am sure that, with the enormous wealth of experience that exists within this group, there are some real meaningful contributions that can be made to the general safety topic. However, I respectfully suggest that the potential creativity be focussed into other more appropriate groups. Terry Whitehouse -Original Message- From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:46 AM To: 'david_ster...@ademco.com'; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? -Original Message- From: david_ster...@ademco.com [mailto:david_ster...@ademco.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:07 AM To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? This is not a secure forum. I strongly urge people not to post security information for buildings here. All of us in the NYC area still grieve for our loved ones, or have close friends who are grieving. David Sterner ADEMCO Syosset, NY -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org@PITTWAYNOTES On Behalf Of John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk@PITTWAYNOTES Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:06 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: WTC - voice alarm system? I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote (in 20010917141507.LMHT9391.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.11.150.27] ) about 'WTC - voice alarm system?', on Mon, 17 Sep 2001: I'm not certain (I wasn't there) but I heard that there were announcements in the 2nd tower that was hit after the first tower was hit to sit tight and not evacuate because at that point they still thought it was an accident and they didn't need a whole bunch of people evacuating the 2nd tower and then getting in the way of rescue operations on the street below. Thanks to you and others who replied to my post. The point about voice alarm with central control is that instructions can be quickly changed and everyone gets informed simultaneously. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! David: I
Re: WTC - voice alarm system?
I have one I set up a while back as an alternate. This is NOT a replacement of the PSTC group, please. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Compliance_Engineering - Doug - Original Message - From: Patrick Lawler plaw...@west.net To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: WTC - voice alarm system? For those who feel this list isn't the place to discuss issues like these, can they suggest another forum? I immediately thought of the newsgroup comp.risks, dealing with risks to the public in computers and related systems. However, the newsgroup only posts a digest of items, and is not really a forum. Patrick Lawler plaw...@west.net --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: WTC - voice alarm system?
Folks, The subject discussion is appropriate for the audience if it can be focused on possible methods to continue to ensure safety compliance. Several Standards (including SEMI S10, EN 1050 etc. ) require that a written risk assessment also be provided to demonstrate compliance to the relevant safety standard. Many compliance engineers are also involved in risk evaluations of one type or another of the following. 1. ) Fault Tree Analysis (FTA) 2.) Risk Assessments 3.) Failure Mode Effects Analysis (FMEA) 4.) Reliability and /or Quality Assurance Regards,Paul J Smith, Teradyne, Boston Whitehouse, Terence (Terry) twhiteho...@avaya.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 09/18/2001 04:05:23 PM Please respond to Whitehouse, Terence (Terry) twhiteho...@avaya.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org To: 'Price, Ed' ed.pr...@cubic.com, 'david_ster...@ademco.com' david_ster...@ademco.com, j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? Ed, The name of this forum is EMC-PSTC - EMC and product safety. For us a group, speculating on general matters of security is not appropriate. There are other professional bodies and organizations created and staffed specifically to address this very sensitive subject. Let us focus on what were are here to do - promote the design and placement of our products in the global marketplace. Design of annunciation systems hardened against (i.e. immune to) unauthorized external signals is what we should be endeavoring to create. Human dynamics should be the province of those specializing in the subject. I am sure that, with the enormous wealth of experience that exists within this group, there are some real meaningful contributions that can be made to the general safety topic. However, I respectfully suggest that the potential creativity be focussed into other more appropriate groups. Terry Whitehouse -Original Message- From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:46 AM To: 'david_ster...@ademco.com'; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? -Original Message- From: david_ster...@ademco.com [mailto:david_ster...@ademco.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:07 AM To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: WTC - voice alarm system? This is not a secure forum. I strongly urge people not to post security information for buildings here. All of us in the NYC area still grieve for our loved ones, or have close friends who are grieving. David Sterner ADEMCO Syosset, NY -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org@PITTWAYNOTES On Behalf Of John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk@PITTWAYNOTES Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:06 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: WTC - voice alarm system? I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote (in 20010917141507.LMHT9391.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.11.150.27] ) about 'WTC - voice alarm system?', on Mon, 17 Sep 2001: I'm not certain (I wasn't there) but I heard that there were announcements in the 2nd tower that was hit after the first tower was hit to sit tight and not evacuate because at that point they still thought it was an accident and they didn't need a whole bunch of people evacuating the 2nd tower and then getting in the way of rescue operations on the street below. Thanks to you and others who replied to my post. The point about voice alarm with central control is that instructions can be quickly changed and everyone gets informed simultaneously. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! David: I would agree that, hypothetically, requesting pictures of plunging bodies would be totally inappropriate; however discussing the safety aspects of the WTC appears to be very on-topic for our group. Regarding the non-security of our group; I doubt that anything we say about the WTC can cause any further degradation of security to that site. Everyone must deal with this shocking event within their own reference frame. The more technically inclined among us try to salvage some lessons, in building design or crowd control or emergency techniques, perhaps as the best tribute they can pay to the unfortunate victims. Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail
Lawnmowers
I'd be grateful for comments as to the application of the EMC Directive to petrol engine powered pedestrian controlled lawn mowers. So far as I can see there is no reason not to think of them as any other household appliance, albeit not a mains connected one. Testing these in any kind of sealed environment clearly raises some interesting challenges. Observations and comments on any experience which people can offer would be welcome. Regards Nick. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: NIMDA virus
Info and some clean up tools if you are hit. http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/viruses/nimda/default.asp?cid=2444 http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimd...@mm.html http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=PE_NIMDA.A Free to home users Zonealarm from http://www.zonelabs.com/ is well worth installing. Chris -Original Message- From: Pryor McGinnis [mailto:c...@prodigy.net] Sent: 20 September 2001 19:47 To: Stuart Lopata; emc Subject: Re: NIMDA virus Hello Stuart, I got the NIMDA Virus 2 days ago. I got it from previewing an email. I did not open any attachments. I just deleted the email after previewing it. I do not remember anything about the email or where it came from. It took me two days to clean up my small network. Regards, Pryor McGinnis - Original Message - From: Stuart Lopata stu...@timcoengr.com To: emc emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: NIMDA virus Yesterday our office was shut down all day because of the 'NIMDA virus'. Has anyone else encountered this virus? I would like to make sure that it did not come from our beloved message board and also warn you just in case it did. Sincerely, Stuart Lopata --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Request for a Compliance Matrix
Our International Approvals website may be of help, look at www.int-app.tuv.com Regards Glenn Moffat TUV International UK Tel: +121 634 8000 Fax: +121 634 8080 Thank you John, that NEMKO link is very helpful. On the Safety side, this link (http://www.cbscheme.org/cbscheme/cbcntris.htm) should help with countries participating in the CB Scheme. Does anyone know of something similar for EMC? Any other Agencies out there with similar Compliance Matrixes? Best regards, Dave -Original Message- From: Allen, John [mailto:john.al...@uk.thalesgroup.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:21 AM To:'wo...@sensormatic.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:RE: Request for a Compliance Matrix Hi Folks I have just come across a very useful page on the NEMKO UK Ltd site, at: http://www.nemko.ltd.uk/cert/direct.htm The site is essentially advertising for NEMKO services but has tables which give thumbnail sketches of the requirements for electrical and electronic equipment approvals (including the namesof the organisations and illustrations of their approval marks), including EMC but not RTTE, in the following countries: Central East Europe: Poland, Czech Republic,Slovak Republic, Hungary,Slovenia, Croatia Yugoslavia, Macedonia, Albania Romania,Bulgaria , Turkey Russia, CIS and Baltic States: Russia Ukraine Belarus Lithuania Estonia Latvia Kazakhstan South America: Argentina MexicoBrazil ColombiaChile Middle East, Africa, Asia: Saudi Arabia Israel South Africa India Hong KongAustralia Japan Korea China (2 versions?) Singapore Thailand Malaysia Regards John Allen Thales Defence Ltd., Bracknell, UK -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 19 September 2001 20:43 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Request for a Compliance Matrix I generated and posted this document in 1999 and some parts are now out of date. I will update and re-post it with any corrections, updates and additions that anyone cares to send to me. Richard Woods -- From: Dave Lorusso [SMTP:dave.loru...@genband.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:59 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: FW: Request for a Compliance Matrix Thank you for the responses. Dwight sent me a copy (attached). Anyone one have a more up to date list? Best regards, Dave -Original Message- From: Dwight Hunnicutt [mailto:dwight.hunnic...@vina-tech.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:36 PM To: 'Dave Lorusso' Subject: RE: Request for a Compliance Matrix worldwide compliance chart.pdf Dave- Was this it? Not too up to date, but this I what I have... Dwight -Original Message- From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:51 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Request for a Compliance Matrix Awhile back I remember seeing a post that included a Compliance Matrix listing countries vs. EMC/Safety/Telecom requirements. If someone has this matrix, would you please send me a copy - I'd really appreciate it. Normally, I would use the search feature on www.cfont.com http://www.cfont.com , for this information, but it's no longer there. Thank you and best regards, Dave --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. File: worldwide compliance chart.pdf --- This message is from the IEEE EMC
