RE: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?
Surely IEC 60417-1 and ..617 are different standards? The former is Graphical Symbols for use on EQUIPMENT... (my emphasis). Whereas: IEC 60617-1GRAPHICAL SYMBOLS FOR DIAGRAMS [about 13 parts, -1 to -13] IEC 60617-1same title (Still interesting, I'd missed that announcement about IEC 60617.) By the way, if you do buy (PDF available from ANSI or IEC) IEC 60417, part 1 is now all you need to browse the thumbnail images, descriptions, etc. Part 2 (IEC 60417-1) has the full-size images for reproduction purposes. While I have my index open, some other possibly relevant documents: ISO 3864 Safety Colours and Safety Signs ISO 7000 Graphical Symbols for use on Equipment. EN 61310-1 SAFETY OF MACHINERY - INDICATION, MARKING AND ACTUATION - REQUIREMENTS FOR VISUAL, AUDITORY AND TACTILE SIGNALS [symbols for operation, prohibition, warning, mandatory, escape, fire fighting] EN 61310-2 [...]-REQUIREMENTS FOR MARKING [symbols for: Ground(earth), ac, dc, +, -, class II, III, !, dangerous voltage] 92/58/EEC MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROVISION OF SAFETY AND/OR HEALTH SIGNS AT WORK ANSI Z535.1SAFETY COLOR CODE ANSI Z535.2 ENVIRONMENTAL AND FACILITY SAFETY SIGNS ANSI Z535.3 CRITERIA FOR SAFETY SYMBOLS ANSI Z535.4PRODUCT SAFETY SIGNS AND LABELS ANSI Z535.5 ACCIDENT PREVENTION TAGS PS: I don't have an answer to the original question. (I always assumed the w3.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp site was an unofficial [and useful] resource; it did not appear to be an official IEC site (although, a Prof. Ikeda is listed in the IEC committee documents).) Maybe the site is just temporarily down? However, Google also lists other sites, such as: http://www.geda.seul.org/symlibrary/IEC417/small.html http://www.geda.coelacanth.com/symlibrary/IEC417/small.html [mirror] best regards, glyn Glyn R. Garside TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. (Chicago Office) http://www.us.tuv.com TEL 847-562-9888 ext 25 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: 2 Phases in North America
ok folks. This topic needs to be clarified. With respect to each other, by definition, two conductors have a potential difference at 180 degrees. Period. The 90 degree stuff may pertain to current but not to voltage. You would need a four-phase transformer to get 90 degree phasing and simply it does not exist. Voltage, is usually measured: wrt ground, wrt other reference conductor such as neutral or wrt to another voltage (hot) conductor. In some cases, the voltage difference between ground and two other conductors may be 120/240 degrees such as in a three phase system. So, no matter how you measure voltage it will either be at 120, 180 or 240 degrees wrt to some other conductor. In the US there have been many systems of low voltage (staying below 480V)distribution yielding the following voltages: 480/240/120 480/208/120 from three three phase 480/230/115 single split phase 230/115 single split phase motor control voltage 220/110 single split phase older home voltages 208/120 from three phase 480/277 (for fluorescent lighting) 117 (where did this come from? seen in many older HP instruments) Open Delta (3, 4 or 5 wire, when one is grounded into neutral its called a stinger) Split phase (three or four wire) Y (four and five wire) Hope this stirrs the pot = Best Regards Hans Mellberg Regulatory Compliance EMC Design Services Consultant By the Pacific Coast next to Silicon Valley, Santa Cruz, CA, USA 408-507-9694 __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?
Its now available from IEC (at a price - copyrighted you know): IEC 60617 Graphical Symbols database The IEC 60617 Graphical Symbols for Diagrams database (http://domino.iec.ch/symbols) has now been launched officially. The database offers users a dynamic facility featuring some 1 400 symbols in GIF format with extensive new metadata facilitating a very user friendly search function (Free text search of metadata; search by: Publication, Keyword, Shape, Function, Application, and Symbol ID and Status). Access is by means of a username and password and subscribers will benefit from knowing that they remain up-to-date on all new symbols published during the selected subscription period (3, 6, 12 or 24 months). What symbols are included in the database? . Conductors and connecting devices . Basic passive components . Semiconductors and electron tubes . Production and conversion of electrical energy . Switchgear, controlgear and protective devices . Measuring instruments, lamps and signalling devices . Telecommunications transmission, switching and peripheral equipment . Architectural and topographical installation plans and diagrams Subscriptions to the database Subscriptions can be purchased through the IEC National Committees or NC-appointed Sales Outlets, or directly from the IEC Web Store (separate articles available for each subscription period - 3, 6, 12 or 24 months). Please note that multi-user network licences are also available. IEC 60617-DB-3M (2001-11) Ed. 1.0 - Graphical symbols for diagrams - 3-month subscription to online database comprising parts 2 to 11 of IEC 60617 SC 3A - CHF 169,00 for single user and CHF 219,70 for a three-user network license IEC 60617-DB-6M (2001-11) Ed. 1.0 - Graphical symbols for diagrams - 6-month subscription to online database comprising parts 2 to 11 of IEC 60617 SC 3A - CHF 297,00 for single user and CHF 386,10 for a three-user network license IEC 60617-DB-12M (2001-11) Ed. 1.0 - Graphical symbols for diagrams - 12-month subscription to online database comprising parts 2 to 11 of IEC 60617 SC 3A - CHF 509,00 for single user and CHF 661,70 for a three-user network license IEC 60617-DB-24M (2001-11) Ed. 1.0 - Graphical symbols for diagrams - 24-month subscription to online database comprising parts 2 to 11 of IEC 60617 SC 3A - CHF 933,00 for single user and CHF 1212,90 for a three-user network license For customers that have already purchased IEC 60617 publications, we are pleased to be able to offer a special introductory price. If you wish to subscribe, please contact Nader Kazemi (Tel: + 41 22 919 0228 / E-mail: n...@iec.ch) for further information. IMPORTANT: Parts 2 to 11 of IEC 60617 (1996) Ed. 2.0 have been withdrawn and replaced by the database version. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: 2 Phases in North America
Hi all, Even though I am an electrical engineer, I'm terribly confused by this post. I have always believed (and on a few occasions measured) the standard US home system feed. There is no choice of 240 volts. The 220 volt feed used by larger devices is two 118 VAC phases 120 degrees apart. The math seems to work. WRT Cortland's post, I guess I don't see ground (or close to it neutral) as having a phase. If that is believable, then a single phase system is not so hard to believe. Just a few thoughts, Brent DeWitt -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of bogdan matoga Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:12 PM To: Cortland Richmond Cc: Robert Johnson; 'Barry Esmore'; 'EMC-PSTC Forum' Subject: Re: 2 Phases in North America Dear Esquire: May I suggest that you partake in a course called Basic Electricity 001? Bogdan. Cortland Richmond wrote: By the definition below, *single phase* AC would require one wire with no return. I want to see THAT one work before I pay for it! Cortland Richmond (the above being my own opinion, not a statement of my employer's) Robert Johnson wrote: This has just reopened the old two phase controversy again. Ed has done a good job of describing the systems in detail, but be careful with the terms. Ask an electrical engineer about a 120/240 volt home service and he will call it a two phase system. Two phases 180 degrees out of phase is technically correct. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: 2 Phases in North America
This is rather similar to asking what the first harmonic of the power line frequency is. (grin!) Cortland Jayasinghe, Ryan wrote: 180° out of phase? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
Gotcha! -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:40 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; James Collum; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough AR!! I went there, read down through much, before it soaked in. - Robert - -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com To: 'Robert Macy' m...@california.com; James Collum james.col...@usa.alcatel.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough Now, you do need to worry about some of these obscure chemicals. There is an entire web page devoted to the hazards of DHMO, di-Hydrogen Monoxide. www.dhmo.org Check this out. It could save someone you love. Ghery Pettit Intel -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:39 PM To: James Collum; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough In deference to the warning label on the peanuts bag. Some people have life threatening allergies to peanuts and take warnings such as that and warnings on cookies, etc very seriously. But then again, you'd think with the main label Peanuts would be sufficient. Perhaps, someone is making peanuts out of soy beans already. - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -Original Message- From: James Collum james.col...@usa.alcatel.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough Following a recent airline flight, I was given a bag of peanuts, marked Peanuts which contained a health warning contains peanuts. I was thinking that in a similar style that maybe electrical products could have an added warning may contain electricity. The may would elude to the connection of a mains cable for mains powered equipment, or even batteries in battery powered equipment. I think the IEC should be prompt to act in this vital area. Following this illogical train of thought, the swimming pool should have a warning contains water and the ladder could have a warning may alter altitude. But on a slightly more serious note (but not much) If I am ever present when someone is about to do something interesting with electricity I always advise that the person about to do the deed make sure to note who present will provide the kiss of life when it all goes pear shaped. It tends to work (although I don't know why, as I think I'm very kissable). Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Johnson Sent: woensdag 12 december 2001 19:28 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough I couldnââ'¬â¢t help passing on this reference to a bit of unforeseeable misuse.?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum4/HTML/48.html Bob Johnson . --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
AR!! I went there, read down through much, before it soaked in. - Robert - -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com To: 'Robert Macy' m...@california.com; James Collum james.col...@usa.alcatel.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough Now, you do need to worry about some of these obscure chemicals. There is an entire web page devoted to the hazards of DHMO, di-Hydrogen Monoxide. www.dhmo.org Check this out. It could save someone you love. Ghery Pettit Intel -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:39 PM To: James Collum; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough In deference to the warning label on the peanuts bag. Some people have life threatening allergies to peanuts and take warnings such as that and warnings on cookies, etc very seriously. But then again, you'd think with the main label Peanuts would be sufficient. Perhaps, someone is making peanuts out of soy beans already. - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -Original Message- From: James Collum james.col...@usa.alcatel.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough Following a recent airline flight, I was given a bag of peanuts, marked Peanuts which contained a health warning contains peanuts. I was thinking that in a similar style that maybe electrical products could have an added warning may contain electricity. The may would elude to the connection of a mains cable for mains powered equipment, or even batteries in battery powered equipment. I think the IEC should be prompt to act in this vital area. Following this illogical train of thought, the swimming pool should have a warning contains water and the ladder could have a warning may alter altitude. But on a slightly more serious note (but not much) If I am ever present when someone is about to do something interesting with electricity I always advise that the person about to do the deed make sure to note who present will provide the kiss of life when it all goes pear shaped. It tends to work (although I don't know why, as I think I'm very kissable). Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Johnson Sent: woensdag 12 december 2001 19:28 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough I couldnââ'¬â¢t help passing on this reference to a bit of unforeseeable misuse.?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum4/HTML/48.html Bob Johnson . --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
I think it's worth mentioning interpretations of the definition of end user in 950. In my opinion, end users are obviously people who use the equipment and are also not expected to be aware of the hazards. That's why, in my opinion, the thread about safety critical parts was so difficult to pin down. We as safety engineers know some rather obvious hazards which could occur during design, assembly, and use. But, in selling to the general consumer market, the product is being put in the hands of maybe uneducated or non-technical people of a variety of ages. As such, you have to anticipate little to no experience or knowledge. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Andre, Pierre-Marie wrote: So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? Well, I'd hate to let the dirty little secret out of the bag for those of us who would fall under such and evaluation. Important in such an evaluation would be that the company has allowed the compliance engineer to have significant input to the design/mfring processes. I've been in companies where evaluations from the compliance engineer amounted to nothing more than a suggestion. Very frustrating. Other places had the compliance engineer greatly involved as a signatory in product release and with ECR/ECOs. Start with an ideal world where the compliance engineer has complete planning, budgeting, signatory/approval powers with the complete product cycle from prototype-to-product release-to product obsolescence. Consider that as the complete model. Then, as the person has less and less involvement/approval power in those areas, they are thus less responsible for them and thus, they are not to be evaluated in those areas. You'll probably find the typical compliance engineer ends up in reality scheduling tests w/no approval powers, has input to ECR/ECOs but no signatory powers, inputs into product design by way of memos, sometimes are the last to know about significant design changes, and might answer to someone who knows little about compliance engineering. IMO, evaluation would be difficult. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
I've dropped the picture into a Word document and titled it, You Can Design Only So Much Common Sense Into A Product. Then at the bottom, put Hand drill = $35 Metal ladder = $50 Bare feet on metal ladder in pool ... Priceless and posted it outside my cubicle. It's been quite a hit ... Thanks. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
Now, you do need to worry about some of these obscure chemicals. There is an entire web page devoted to the hazards of DHMO, di-Hydrogen Monoxide. www.dhmo.org Check this out. It could save someone you love. Ghery Pettit Intel -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:39 PM To: James Collum; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough In deference to the warning label on the peanuts bag. Some people have life threatening allergies to peanuts and take warnings such as that and warnings on cookies, etc very seriously. But then again, you'd think with the main label Peanuts would be sufficient. Perhaps, someone is making peanuts out of soy beans already. - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -Original Message- From: James Collum james.col...@usa.alcatel.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough Following a recent airline flight, I was given a bag of peanuts, marked Peanuts which contained a health warning contains peanuts. I was thinking that in a similar style that maybe electrical products could have an added warning may contain electricity. The may would elude to the connection of a mains cable for mains powered equipment, or even batteries in battery powered equipment. I think the IEC should be prompt to act in this vital area. Following this illogical train of thought, the swimming pool should have a warning contains water and the ladder could have a warning may alter altitude. But on a slightly more serious note (but not much) If I am ever present when someone is about to do something interesting with electricity I always advise that the person about to do the deed make sure to note who present will provide the kiss of life when it all goes pear shaped. It tends to work (although I don't know why, as I think I'm very kissable). Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Johnson Sent: woensdag 12 december 2001 19:28 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough I couldnââ'¬â¢t help passing on this reference to a bit of unforeseeable misuse.?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum4/HTML/48.html Bob Johnson --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?
I read in !emc-pstc that POWELL, DOUG doug.pow...@aei.com wrote (in b44016f6854cd511a6470003476b45e4381...@exchange.aei.com) about 'What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001: But of course the link is dead. Does anyone know if it moved? Go to http://www.iec.ch and contact the IEC directly. There is a new URL. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: 2 Phases in North America
I read in !emc-pstc that Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote (in b78135310217d511907c0090273f5190d0b...@curly.ds.cubic.com) about '2 Phases in North America', on Thu, 13 Dec 2001: At this point, you still have a single-phase system. The voltage is 240 Vrms, from one hot line to the other. The voltage from each hot line to neutral (and ground) is 120 Vrms. Well, you can also look at it as a two-phase system with 180 degrees between phases. But since the load is very rarely balanced, so the neutral is normally a current-carrying conductor, it doesn't really meet the criteria of a poly-phase system. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
I read in !emc-pstc that Nerad, DarenHS-SNS daren.ne...@hs.utc.com wrote (in 47c2376d5478d4119fa800508be390ee025be...@hsmx53nt.rkd.snds.co m) about 'Sometimes product safety just isn't enough', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001: and that of Wile E. Coyote and his equipment from the ACME (obviously, most of it was not safety approved)) My impression is that it does exactly what it is supposed to, but the user does not follow the instructions. In fact, have you ever seem W E C even read them? (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
In deference to the warning label on the peanuts bag. Some people have life threatening allergies to peanuts and take warnings such as that and warnings on cookies, etc very seriously. But then again, you'd think with the main label Peanuts would be sufficient. Perhaps, someone is making peanuts out of soy beans already. - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -Original Message- From: James Collum james.col...@usa.alcatel.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough Following a recent airline flight, I was given a bag of peanuts, marked Peanuts which contained a health warning contains peanuts. I was thinking that in a similar style that maybe electrical products could have an added warning may contain electricity. The may would elude to the connection of a mains cable for mains powered equipment, or even batteries in battery powered equipment. I think the IEC should be prompt to act in this vital area. Following this illogical train of thought, the swimming pool should have a warning contains water and the ladder could have a warning may alter altitude. But on a slightly more serious note (but not much) If I am ever present when someone is about to do something interesting with electricity I always advise that the person about to do the deed make sure to note who present will provide the kiss of life when it all goes pear shaped. It tends to work (although I don't know why, as I think I'm very kissable). Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Johnson Sent: woensdag 12 december 2001 19:28 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough I couldnââ¬â¢t help passing on this reference to a bit of unforeseeable misuse.?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum4/HTML/48.html Bob Johnson --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
