in-rush ratings......more

[Ted Rook]

having re-read the question

my answer is:

not aware of standards specifically for in-rush of switches,

but for safety recognition purposes most power switch makers seek approvals by 
National Labs like UL, BSI.

Electrical Switch standards:
UL20; 98; 1054; 1087; 1429; 1558

That spec includes the maximum power expressed as a combination of volts and 
amps. The switch had to go through flammability and withstand voltage tests to 
get the approval.




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Re: Switch Inrush Ratings

[John Woodgate]

I read in !emc-pstc that duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com wrote (in
<3642233...@snellwilcox.com>) about 'Switch Inrush Ratings', on Wed, 9
Jan 2002:
>Does anyone know how the inrush capability of switches is specified? Is
>there a particular standard for how inrush (with regard to switches not EMC) is
>specified? 
>
Try BS EN61508 (multi-part) for example. But have you not read clause
14.6 of BS EN60065:1998? You may only need part 1 of 61508.
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Re: radar

[John Woodgate]

I read in !emc-pstc that John Shinn  wrote (in
<001f01c1992f$09f5c960$0b3d1...@hadco.comsanmina.com>) about 'radar', on
Wed, 9 Jan 2002:
>Why would someone want to take a car out of UK with the
>steering wheel on the wrong side?

There are actually more *countries* where you drive on the left. Not
more RHD cars, though. (No, I don't have the list of RHD countries, but
it's on the web somewhere - everything is!)

Besides, it is *undeniable* that a British car has the steering wheel on
the right side.
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Re: Switch Inrush Ratings

[Ted Rook]

The starting point is the manufacturers data sheet where you will find the 
rated current, voltage and typical operating life under certain conditions.


A lot depends on the energy level of the in-rush in question.

When the application has a high in-rush current in proportion to the steady 
state condition then you may want to contact the manufacturer for guidance 
because there are a number of different ways to make a switch mechanism, each 
with particular advantages.
Each manufacturer usually publishes data for current rating which is based on 
two operating conditions: continuous AC or DC; start-stop cycles assuming 
inductance in the load. The later is usually the limiting case for in-rush and 
the switch maker had an application in mind when designing the switch package 
for example AC power control of 50/60Hz relays and motors; or, low voltage low 
current signal switching; or, incandescent lamp switching. The in-rush 
capability has two limiting factors: tendency of the transition to create 
conditions which encourage arcing; the frequency of operation and the required 
number of on off cycles in the life of the switch.

Because uncontrolled in-rush can be so destructive to the switching elements 
there are techniques for in-rush control which relieve the primary switch from 
some of the stress. Examples are a starting circuit that inserts resistance in 
series with the source for a short period; starting circuit that divides the 
load into segments that are connected sequentially..etc 

For many low to medium power applications there are simple two terminal 
temperature sensitive resistors, packaged under names like Surge Guard and 
In-rush limiter, which can be selected to handle the continuous load current 
and which have a 'cold' resistance appropriate to the transient condition.

We make power amplifiers and linear power supplies that always need AC turn-on 
in-rush to be considered. Our primary tool is the magnetic circuit breaker for 
which carefully defined integral delays have been developed to suit most 
applications.

Can provide names and numbers directly on request.


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RE: China authority for Radio equipment

[Leslie Bai]

Rich,

Thanks for quoting my last years' communication about
radio approval in China.

With the entry to WTO, China has been starting
streamlining its approval and certification process,
such as recently announced new CCC Mark for safety
(annouced on Dec 3, 2001, and will take effective from
May 1, 2002). Radio approval is another new regime
under implementation as well, details has yet been
released as far as I know.

Leslie

P/S: Under old scheme, both in-country testing and
in-country representative is required. The cost and
turn-around time of approval can be a nightmare.



--- richwo...@tycoint.com wrote:
> Here is something from my archive that was posted
> last year
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: Leslie Bai [mailto:leslie_...@yahoo.com]
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:46 PM
> 
> To: wo...@sensormatic.com;
> emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> 
> Subject: Re: Chinese Transmitter Approval
> 
>  
> 
> Richard,
> 
> We have been dealing with Chinese authority for
> radio
> 
> type approval in the past a few years. They requires
> 
> that radios being imported into the country go
> through
> 
> authorized representative located in their country.
> As
> 
> part of approval process, manufacturer need provide
> a
> 
> letter stating who their authorized representative
> is
> 
> to the Ministry of Information Industry (previously
> 
> Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications). 
> 
> The importer need to provide at least 2 samples for
> 
> audit testing at National Radio Audit Testing Labs
> 
> located in various cities (Baijing, Xi'an, Shanghai,
> 
> etc.) in the country. Parameters to be tested are
> 
> frequency stability, output power, spectrum mask,
> 
> occupied bandwidth, spurious emissions, co-channel
> and
> 
> adjecent-channel ineterferences, etc...
> 
> The interesting thing is that the sampling must
> follow
> 
> their procedures defined in GB10111 (in Chinese
> only).
> 
> GB 2828 specifies S-2 program to examine samples
> batch
> 
> by batch and GB 2829 Level 1 sampling program
> 
> specifies environment examinations.
> 
> I have not actually experiened short-ranged low
> power
> 
> radio type approval, such as Bluetooth devices, but
> as
> 
> far as I am aware, the importer is required to file
> a
> 
> copy of the FCC (Part 15.247), Canadian (RSS-210) ,
> or
> 
> ETSI (300 328) test report. Also a minimum of three
> to
> 
> five samples is required for audit testing. 
> 
> Anyone else wants to input their experience on
> 
> Bluetooth approval in China?
> 
> Leslie
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> --- wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Has anyone received a radio type approval in
> China?
> 
> > How did you go about the
> 
> > process? I am particularly interested in short
> range
> 
> > (low power) device type
> 
> > approval.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Richard Woods
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:56 AM
> To: emc-p...@ieee.org
> Subject: China authority for Radio equipment
> 
> 
> Hi every one, 
>  
> I am currently trying to get a radio device approved
> in China, 
>  
> Can any one tell me who the authority is in China, 
> or help with a contact e
> mail, Fax or Phone No ?
>  
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FW: ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

[Ken Javor]

Scott and other EMC engineers,

I looked up the referenced spec and saw it was an AUTOMOTIVE spec.  And the
injection level is near CONSTANT from 1 - 400 MHz, with an injection level
as high as 1 Amp at the low end (1 - 30 MHz).  Keith Armstrong, pay heed.
The unalterable physics of field-to-wire coupling predict that this limit
implies a field intensity of at least 700 V/m up to 30 MHz and at least 150
V/m and the vehicle is over 100 m long.  If there are any design impacts to
meeting this requirement (and I am sure there are when every penny counts)
this spec is massive overkill and needs to be completely revised.

Ken Javor
--
From: Ken Javor 
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:23:21 -0500
To: , 
Subject: Re: ISO 11452-4  Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

Scott,

I am not familiar with the standard you cite, but am quite familiar with BCI
testing in general and the equipment used specifically.  The injection clamp
used to 400 MHz is only good to 400 or 450 MHz, depending upon manufacturer.
The current probe used to monitor CUT-injected current will either be good
to 450 MHz or 1 GHz.  To my knowledge, there are no current probes in
general use above 1 GHz and measurement of current on an unmatched
transmission line (the CUT) becomes quite problematical even at 400 MHz.  So
my answer, not authoritative in a specification sense, but based on the
physics of the situation and the test equipment available is that you
control harmonics up to 400 MHz, and don't try to measure beyond that.

P.S.  You should have no such problems regardless.  The harmonic problem is
an issue when you are at the very low end of the frequency range of an
injection clamp and it is more efficient at the harmonics than at the
fundamental.  The high power tube amps used up to 220 MHz do have high
harmonic content (-16 dBc), but you should be able to use a lower power
solid-state amp with better performance, and in any case you have an easy
out.  There is a clamp that covers 0.01 - 100 MHz and another that covers 2
- 400 MHz. If you use the lower range clamp to 10 MHz or thereabouts you can
start using the upper range clamp at a frequency where its insertion loss is
flat with frequency.  The lower range clamp is flat from below 1 MHz and on
up.

Ken




on 1/9/02 2:41 PM, scott@jci.com at scott@jci.com wrote:

> 
> To All,
> 
> We are performing BCI testing according to the test method described in ISO
> 11452-4 (Test Range 1MHz - 400MHz)
> 
> We are unclear on the statement described in Section 3 - "Test Conditions"
> regarding measuring the harmonics.
> The standard indicates that if a deviation in product performance occurs,
> the first 5 harmonics (relative to the carrier) must be measured.  These
> harmonics must not exceed -9dBc.
> 
> Here's where my question originates...  The standard says "...it must be
> ensured that any of the first five harmonics (up to 400MHz) shall not
> exceed - 9dBc relative to the fundamental frequency."
> 
> 
> I am looking for help with interpreting the text in the specification.
> 
> 
> 1.  Does the text indicate that only harmonics with frequencies from 1 -
> 400MHz should be considered (carrier frequencies less than 80MHz)?
> 
> 2.  Does the text indicate that harmonics up to 2GHz (400MHz is the highest
> test frequency - multiplied by 5 harmonics = 2GHz) SHOULD BE MEASURED.?
> 
> 3. other?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Mee
> EMC Engineer
> 
> Johnson Controls Inc.
> PH:  616.394.2565
> EMAIL:  scott@jci.com
> 
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Re: ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

[Ken Javor]

Scott,

I am not familiar with the standard you cite, but am quite familiar with BCI
testing in general and the equipment used specifically.  The injection clamp
used to 400 MHz is only good to 400 or 450 MHz, depending upon manufacturer.
The current probe used to monitor CUT-injected current will either be good
to 450 MHz or 1 GHz.  To my knowledge, there are no current probes in
general use above 1 GHz and measurement of current on an unmatched
transmission line (the CUT) becomes quite problematical even at 400 MHz.  So
my answer, not authoritative in a specification sense, but based on the
physics of the situation and the test equipment available is that you
control harmonics up to 400 MHz, and don't try to measure beyond that.

P.S.  You should have no such problems regardless.  The harmonic problem is
an issue when you are at the very low end of the frequency range of an
injection clamp and it is more efficient at the harmonics than at the
fundamental.  The high power tube amps used up to 220 MHz do have high
harmonic content (-16 dBc), but you should be able to use a lower power
solid-state amp with better performance, and in any case you have an easy
out.  There is a clamp that covers 0.01 - 100 MHz and another that covers 2
- 400 MHz. If you use the lower range clamp to 10 MHz or thereabouts you can
start using the upper range clamp at a frequency where its insertion loss is
flat with frequency.  The lower range clamp is flat from below 1 MHz and on
up.

Ken




on 1/9/02 2:41 PM, scott@jci.com at scott@jci.com wrote:

> 
> To All,
> 
> We are performing BCI testing according to the test method described in ISO
> 11452-4 (Test Range 1MHz - 400MHz)
> 
> We are unclear on the statement described in Section 3 - "Test Conditions"
> regarding measuring the harmonics.
> The standard indicates that if a deviation in product performance occurs,
> the first 5 harmonics (relative to the carrier) must be measured.  These
> harmonics must not exceed -9dBc.
> 
> Here's where my question originates...  The standard says "...it must be
> ensured that any of the first five harmonics (up to 400MHz) shall not
> exceed - 9dBc relative to the fundamental frequency."
> 
> 
> I am looking for help with interpreting the text in the specification.
> 
> 
> 1.  Does the text indicate that only harmonics with frequencies from 1 -
> 400MHz should be considered (carrier frequencies less than 80MHz)?
> 
> 2.  Does the text indicate that harmonics up to 2GHz (400MHz is the highest
> test frequency - multiplied by 5 harmonics = 2GHz) SHOULD BE MEASURED.?
> 
> 3. other?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Mee
> EMC Engineer
> 
> Johnson Controls Inc.
> PH:  616.394.2565
> EMAIL:  scott@jci.com
> 
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RE: China authority for Radio equipment

[richwoods]

Here is something from my archive that was posted last year

-Original Message-

From: Leslie Bai [mailto:leslie_...@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:46 PM

To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org

Subject: Re: Chinese Transmitter Approval

 

Richard,

We have been dealing with Chinese authority for radio

type approval in the past a few years. They requires

that radios being imported into the country go through

authorized representative located in their country. As

part of approval process, manufacturer need provide a

letter stating who their authorized representative is

to the Ministry of Information Industry (previously

Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications). 

The importer need to provide at least 2 samples for

audit testing at National Radio Audit Testing Labs

located in various cities (Baijing, Xi'an, Shanghai,

etc.) in the country. Parameters to be tested are

frequency stability, output power, spectrum mask,

occupied bandwidth, spurious emissions, co-channel and

adjecent-channel ineterferences, etc...

The interesting thing is that the sampling must follow

their procedures defined in GB10111 (in Chinese only).

GB 2828 specifies S-2 program to examine samples batch

by batch and GB 2829 Level 1 sampling program

specifies environment examinations.

I have not actually experiened short-ranged low power

radio type approval, such as Bluetooth devices, but as

far as I am aware, the importer is required to file a

copy of the FCC (Part 15.247), Canadian (RSS-210) , or

ETSI (300 328) test report. Also a minimum of three to

five samples is required for audit testing. 

Anyone else wants to input their experience on

Bluetooth approval in China?

Leslie

 

 

--- wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:

> 

> Has anyone received a radio type approval in China?

> How did you go about the

> process? I am particularly interested in short range

> (low power) device type

> approval.

> 

> Richard Woods

> 

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From: Darren Pearson [mailto:dar...@genesysibs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:56 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: China authority for Radio equipment


Hi every one, 
 
I am currently trying to get a radio device approved in China, 
 
Can any one tell me who the authority is in China,  or help with a contact e
mail, Fax or Phone No ?
 
 
Thanks Darren.
 
Darren Pearson

RE: China authority for Radio equipment

[Lou Guerin]

Darren,
Below are two links that will give you some information regarding MII,
Ministry of Information Industry.  This is the authority you would be
looking for. I would give you the link for MII but it is in Chinese.  You
can also go to Google.com and search on MII in China, lots of links.
I am in the process of getting approval for a radio type device for the
telecom industry; we went direct to MII through our distributor in China.
This is not the way I would recommend you go. Find a "local" test house that
has an office in China and go through them. Unless you have a very simple
product and have a very competent representative in China, you will have a
difficult time. 
Contact me off line if you want more info, I have a folder full. 
 
Regards,
Lou Guerin
Littlefeet, Inc.
http://www.chinanex.com/company/agency/mii.htm
 
 
 
http://www.chinaonline.com/refer/ministry_profiles/MIIb3.asp
 
 
 
 
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From: Darren Pearson [mailto:dar...@genesysibs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:56 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: China authority for Radio equipment
 
Hi every one, 
 
I am currently trying to get a radio device approved in China, 
 
Can any one tell me who the authority is in China,  or help with a contact e
mail, Fax or Phone No ?
 
 
Thanks Darren.
 
Darren Pearson

RE: Exports to Chili

[jsarellano]

Hello to all,

Here is the attachment as stated in my previous email. If for some reason
you are not able to receive it, let me know and I will email it directly.

thanks,

Jorge

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From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:21 AM
To: jsarell...@tuvam.com
Cc: jim.bac...@paxar.com; pstc_ad...@garretson.org;
dave_he...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Exports to Chili





Hi Jorge:


>   I have this fact sheet that was distributed by our International
Compliance
>   Team. May be this will get you started.
>   please see the attachment.

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CHILE-~1.HTM
Description: Binary data

ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

[Scott . Mee]

To All,

We are performing BCI testing according to the test method described in ISO
11452-4 (Test Range 1MHz - 400MHz)

We are unclear on the statement described in Section 3 - "Test Conditions"
regarding measuring the harmonics.
The standard indicates that if a deviation in product performance occurs,
the first 5 harmonics (relative to the carrier) must be measured.  These
harmonics must not exceed -9dBc.

Here's where my question originates...  The standard says "...it must be
ensured that any of the first five harmonics (up to 400MHz) shall not
exceed - 9dBc relative to the fundamental frequency."


I am looking for help with interpreting the text in the specification.


1.  Does the text indicate that only harmonics with frequencies from 1 -
400MHz should be considered (carrier frequencies less than 80MHz)?

2.  Does the text indicate that harmonics up to 2GHz (400MHz is the highest
test frequency - multiplied by 5 harmonics = 2GHz) SHOULD BE MEASURED.?

3. other?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.


Regards,

Scott Mee
EMC Engineer

Johnson Controls Inc.
PH:  616.394.2565
EMAIL:  scott@jci.com


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RE: Exports to Chili

[jsarellano]

Hello Andrew,

I have this fact sheet that was distributed by our International Compliance
Team. May be this will get you started.
please see the attachment.

Regards,

Jorge Sarellano
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-Original Message-
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com [mailto:acar...@uk.xyratex.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:12 AM
To: emc
Subject: Exports to Chili



All

Does anyone out three know with the Safety and EMC requirements are to
import and sell IT products in Chili. Item in question is a mains
powered RAID box currently approved to UL60950, EN60950 and IEC60950,
with accompanying CB report.

Currently I have drawn a big zero on finding any information so anything
will be helpful.


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Switch Inrush Ratings

[duncan . hobbs]

 Group,
Does anyone know how the inrush capability of switches is specified? Is
there a particular standard for how inrush (with regard to switches not EMC) is
specified? 

Any ideas or comments would be most helpful.
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China authority for Radio equipment

[Darren Pearson]

Hi every one, 

I am currently trying to get a radio device approved in China, 

Can any one tell me who the authority is in China,  or help with a contact e 
mail, Fax or Phone No ?


Thanks Darren.

Darren Pearson

Re: Exports to Chili

[Jacob Schanker]

Andrew:

Chili, which is a suburb of Rochester, New York, follows the same
requirements as the rest of the United States. Since you already
have UL, you will need FCC Part 15 A or B non-intentional
radiator certification.

If you happened to be referring to Chile, the country in South
America, the situation is different. I believe there are no
specific requirements yet in Chile other than approvals somewhere
else in the civilised world. But, I could be wrong, and no doubt
someone will tell me so.

Regards,

Jack

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- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Carson" 
To: "emc" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: Exports to Chili


|
| All
|
| Does anyone out three know with the Safety and EMC requirements
are to
| import and sell IT products in Chili. Item in question is a
mains
| powered RAID box currently approved to UL60950, EN60950 and
IEC60950,
| with accompanying CB report.
|
| Currently I have drawn a big zero on finding any information so
anything
| will be helpful.
|
|
| --
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| Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014
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RE: MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.

[Price, Ed]

Peter:

First, calling out Test Method CE03 implies that you are not being asked to
apply the current version of Mil-Std-461 (the current version is "E", and
that document has the old Mil-Std-462 merged into it; Mil-Std-462 no longer
exists). The last version of 461/462 to use the older "CE03" method
designation was Mil-Std-461C, which was superseded by Mil-Std-461D in
January of 1993.

But, assuming you and your customer are really working to the 461C (and the
roughly contemporary Mil-Std-462, Notice 3), then you seem to be addressing
the old Narrowband / Broadband signal identification problem. The old
461/462 worked with the concept of two different emission limit levels; one
for "narrowband" signals and another for "broadband" signals. You had to
observe and test each signal, using three defined judgment criteria, and
declare each emission either NB or BB, and then compare those emissions to
the applicable limit figure.

You can do the signal identification manually, or some acquisition software
was able to do the task automatically. Without getting into a long
discussion, let me simply say that a classic NB signal was something like a
clock or local oscillator; most of it's energy was within a very "narrow"
frequency range. A classic BB signal was the distribution of energy from a
sharp pulse or step, such as motor brush arcing. Almost every signal you
encounter is somewhere in between these extremes.

Starting with 461D/462D, the NB/BB concept was abandoned. (Also, starting
with the "D" revision, 461 and 462 revisions were issued at the same time.
Prior to that, 461 and 462 were always a little unsynchronized. Now, there
is only Mil-Std-461E.

Regards,

Ed


Ed Price
ed.pr...@cubic.com
Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab
Cubic Defense Systems
San Diego, CA  USA
858-505-2780  (Voice)
858-505-1583  (Fax)
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Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis


>-Original Message-
>From: Erauw, Peter [mailto:peter.er...@barco.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:57 AM
>To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
>Subject: MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.
>
>
>
>A customer is requesting us to judge CE03 measurement results 
>according to
>MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.
>Does anyone have any experience with this ?
>Thanks,
>Peter Erauw
>R&D manager mechanics
>BarcoView - Avionics
>BELGIUM
>visit our website : http://www.barcoview.com

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Re: MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.

[Ken Javor]

Years of experience with narrowband/broadband discrimination and the
rationale behind it.  Tell me what you want to know.

Ken Javor


on 1/9/02 6:57 AM, Erauw, Peter at peter.er...@barco.com wrote:

> 
> A customer is requesting us to judge CE03 measurement results according to
> MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.
> Does anyone have any experience with this ?
> Thanks,
> Peter Erauw
> R&D manager mechanics
> BarcoView - Avionics
> BELGIUM
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RE: radar

[Price, Ed]

I was also under the impression that German law came down rather heavily if
you were found to be driving in excess of the speed rating for your tires.
Is this true, and do they have performance ratings for the whole vehicle?
 
Ed
 
 

Ed Price 
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San Diego, CA  USA 
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Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis 

-Original Message-
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com [mailto:acar...@uk.xyratex.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:40 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: radar


Only the Autobahns have an unrestricted speed limit. Even here the police
will stop you if they think you are driving too fast for the road
conditions. Think the general guide line is around 120mph being considered
too fast no matter what the conditions. Also all new cars sold in Germany
must have a speed limiter to stop them exceeding 150mph. 

Jim Freeman wrote: 


I didn't know that there were any speed limits in Germany. 

Jim Freeman 


Lothar Schmidt wrote: 


There are even better systems on the market. The German police use systems
which show the driver very clearly by placing the cameras so, that it takes
the front of the car.So please smile if you drive too fast Best
RegardsLothar Schmidt 

Technical Manager EMC/Radio 
BQB 
CETECOM Inc. 
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035 
* +1 408 586 6214 
* +1 408 586 6299 


-Original Message- 
From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com [ mailto:kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
 ] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:09 PM 
To: ghery.pet...@intel.com; nickjro...@cs.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
Subject: RE: radar
My own experience with photo radar showed a very clear picture of the rear
of the car, showing the license plate and also a good view of the back of my
head.  No court summons was involved as I did not attempt to fight it.  The
ticket went out to the registered owner of the vehicle...not the driver
hence no insurance impact.My two cent and and not that of my
employer,Regards,Kaz GawrzyjalDell 
-Original Message- 
From: Pettit, Ghery [ mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com
 ] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:34 PM 
To: 'Nick Rouse'; emc 
Subject: RE: radar
Does the photo show who was driving the car?  Can't say that I would be too
happy to be summoned to court when one of my kids (or wife) was
speeding.Ghery Pettit 
-Original Message- 
From: Nick Rouse [ mailto:nickjro...@cs.com  ] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:03 PM 
To: emc 
Subject: Re: radar
I don't know if the technique is used in America but the speed cameras in
the UK are triggered by radar but produce evidence by taking two pictures
illuminated by two strobe pulses timed about 150ms apart. Stripes are
painted across the road spaced so that between flashes a vehicle will
traverse one stripe pitch for every 10mph.If the pictures show you have
traversed more than 7 stripe pitches (on motorways)you will receive copies
of these photos together with a summons to appear in court.Nick Rouse
>Jim Freeman wrote: 

>Hi All, 
>   I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to work and 
>noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite of the 
>freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my attention was 
>what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have been 
>thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some ways of 
>taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar source. Any 
>help would be appreciated. 

>Thanks 
>Jim Freeman

Hi All, 
I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to work and 
noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite of the 
freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my attention was 
what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have been 
thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some ways of 
taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar source. Any 
help would be appreciated. 

Thanks 
Jim Freeman

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RE: Exports to Chili

[Andre, Pierre-Marie]

may be you can look at :

http://www.subtel.cl/marco_legal/index.htm

but it is in local language ,you should find some contacts with fax number
or e mail

good luck

Pierre-Marie Andre
 


-Original Message-
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com [mailto:acar...@uk.xyratex.com]
Sent: mercredi 9 janvier 2002 15:12
To: emc
Subject: Exports to Chili



All

Does anyone out three know with the Safety and EMC requirements are to
import and sell IT products in Chili. Item in question is a mains
powered RAID box currently approved to UL60950, EN60950 and IEC60950,
with accompanying CB report.

Currently I have drawn a big zero on finding any information so anything
will be helpful.


--

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Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014



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Exports to Chili

[Andrew Carson]

All

Does anyone out three know with the Safety and EMC requirements are to
import and sell IT products in Chili. Item in question is a mains
powered RAID box currently approved to UL60950, EN60950 and IEC60950,
with accompanying CB report.

Currently I have drawn a big zero on finding any information so anything
will be helpful.


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Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014



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RE: EMC for cardio : which standard apply?

[Jim Conrad]

Hi Paolo,

Yes, the 2nd ED has additional requirements but you will need to meet them
anyway by November 2004 which is the D.O.W. for the 1st ED of 60601-1-2.  In
addition, the FDA in the US is now looking for compliance to the 2nd ED.
That is, if you claim compliance to the 2nd ED on your 510K then they can
not ask you for additional information about EMC.  Japan also recognizes the
2nd ED.

With all that being said, you can still use the 1st ED for CE compliance
until November 2004.   After that date, any MEE shipped into Europe with the
CE mark will have to meet the requirements of the 2nd ED if you are going
the standards route of compliance to the MDD.  I hope this helps.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Paolo Peruzzi [mailto:paolo.peru...@esaote.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:53 AM
To: Jim Conrad
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMC for cardio : which standard apply?


Jim,
thanks for your suggestions.
Our product will be sold at least in Europe and US, so we need CE marking,
but not only that, I suppose.
Though there are some similarities between 60601-2-25 +A1 and 60601-1-2 2nd
ed, I think there are important differences too, to the extent that the
latter is in general more severe (more tests prescribed).
Best regards,
p.p.

-
ESAOTE S.p.A. Paolo Peruzzi
Research & Product DevelopmentDesign Quality Control
Via di Caciolle,15tel:+39.055.4229306
I- 50127 Florence fax:+39.055.4223305
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MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.

[Erauw, Peter]

A customer is requesting us to judge CE03 measurement results according to
MIL-STD-462 paragraph 4.2.6.
Does anyone have any experience with this ?
Thanks,
Peter Erauw
R&D manager mechanics
BarcoView - Avionics
BELGIUM
visit our website : http://www.barcoview.com


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Re: radar

[Andrew Carson]

Only the Autobahns have an unrestricted speed limit. Even here the
police will stop you if they think you are driving too fast for the road
conditions. Think the general guide line is around 120mph being
considered too fast no matter what the conditions. Also all new cars
sold in Germany must have a speed limiter to stop them exceeding 150mph.

Jim Freeman wrote:

> I didn't know that there were any speed limits in Germany.
>
> Jim Freeman
>
> Lothar Schmidt wrote:
>
>> There are even better systems on the market. The German police use
>> systems which show the driver very clearly by placing the cameras
>> so, that it takes the front of the car.So please smile if you drive
>> too fast Best RegardsLothar Schmidt
>>
>> Technical Manager EMC/Radio
>> BQB
>> CETECOM Inc.
>> 411 Dixon Landing Road
>> Milpitas, CA 95035
>> ( +1 408 586 6214
>> Ê +1 408 586 6299
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
>>  [mailto:kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:09 PM
>>  To: ghery.pet...@intel.com; nickjro...@cs.com;
>>  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
>>  Subject: RE: radar
>>  My own experience with photo radar showed a very clear
>>  picture of the rear of the car, showing the license plate
>>  and also a good view of the back of my head.  No court
>>  summons was involved as I did not attempt to fight it.
>>  The ticket went out to the registered owner of the
>>  vehicle...not the driver hence no insurance impact.My two
>>  cent and and not that of my employer,Regards,Kaz
>>  GawrzyjalDell
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:34 PM
>>  To: 'Nick Rouse'; emc
>>  Subject: RE: radar
>>  Does the photo show who was driving the car?  Can't say
>>  that I would be too happy to be summoned to court when one
>>  of my kids (or wife) was speeding.Ghery Pettit
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Nick Rouse [mailto:nickjro...@cs.com]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:03 PM
>>  To: emc
>>  Subject: Re: radar
>>  I don't know if the technique is used in America but the
>>  speed cameras in the UK are triggered by radar but produce
>>  evidence by taking two pictures illuminated by two strobe
>>  pulses timed about 150ms apart. Stripes are painted across
>>  the road spaced so that between flashes a vehicle will
>>  traverse one stripe pitch for every 10mph.If the pictures
>>  show you have traversed more than 7 stripe pitches (on
>>  motorways)you will receive copies of these photos together
>>  with a summons to appear in court.Nick Rouse  >Jim
>>  Freeman wrote:
>>
>>  > >Hi All,
>>  > >   I apologize for being off subject but I was driving
>>  > to work and
>>  > >noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the
>>  > opposite of the
>>  > >freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my
>>  > attention was
>>  > >what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I
>>  > have been
>>  > >thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has
>>  > some ways of
>>  > >taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the
>>  > radar source. Any
>>  > >help would be appreciated.
>>  >
>>  > >Thanks
>>  > >Jim Freeman
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I apologize for being off subject
>>> but I was driving to work and
>>> noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol
>>> officer on the opposite of the
>>> freeway an about 500 yards away. What
>>> brought him to my attention was
>>> what appeared to be a strobe light
>>> that was flashing. I have been
>>> thinking about and I was wondering if
>>> the new radar has some ways of
>>> taking pictures or if the strobe
>>> light really is the radar source. Any
>>>
>>> help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jim Freeman
>>
--

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Re: radar

[Andrew Carson]

Certainly been asked to show my licensee when ever the boy's in blue have 
pulled me over. Plus the mandatory check of,
is this your vehicle, is your tax disk in date and have you drinking anything. 
If they are feeling very vindictive,
you get a 7 day ticket and have to go to a police station to show your 
insurance details and MOT certificate.

Not having a constitution, we do not have any firm "rights" in this country. 
More a way of doing things that everyone
is happy with :-)

Robert Macy wrote:

> But on the up side,
> if you're stopped in England you don't have to produce a driver's license --
> considered an invasion of your rights, or such.
>
>   - Robert -
> -Original Message-
> From: Pettit, Ghery 
> To: 'Nick Rouse' ; emc 
> Date: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:09 PM
> Subject: RE: radar
>
> Does the photo show who was driving the car?  Can't say that I would be
> too happy to be summoned to court when one of my kids (or wife) was
> speeding.
>
> Ghery Pettit
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Rouse [mailto:nickjro...@cs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: emc
> Subject: Re: radar
>
> I don't know if the technique is used in America but the speed cameras
> in the UK are triggered by radar but produce evidence by taking two pictures
> illuminated by two strobe pulses timed about 150ms apart. Stripes are
> painted across the road spaced so that between flashes a vehicle will
> traverse one stripe pitch for every 10mph.If the pictures show you have
> traversed more than 7 stripe pitches (on motorways)you will receive copies
> of these photos together with a summons to appear in court.
> Nick Rouse
>
>  >Jim Freeman wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >   I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to work and
> >noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite of the
> >freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my attention
> was
> >what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have been
> >thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some ways
> of
> >taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar source.
> Any
> >help would be appreciated.
> >Thanks
> >Jim Freeman
>
> Hi All,
> I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to
> work and
> noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite
> of the
> freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my
> attention was
> what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have
> been
> thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some
> ways of
> taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar
> source. Any
> help would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Jim Freeman
>
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Fw: CEN Standards free on-line

[Alan E Hutley]

Hello

In response to posting by Eric Ernst and CEN this is the ref and extract
from press release.
You can understand why there has been some confusion.  The release was sent
by Enterprise and Information Society Commissioner Erkki Liikanen. Whilst I
suspect what Ernst says is the case the wording does not confirm that. I am
still waiting for response through official EU press channels.

Regards
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EMC Compliance Journal
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"IP/01/1837

Brussels, 17 December 2001

More European electronic standards available free of charge on-line

The European Commission has welcomed the decision of the European Committee
for Standardisation CEN to follow the European Telecommunications Standards
Institute (ETSI) in publishing electronic standards on-line and free of
charge from January 2002. This decision is part of the "eEurope Standards
Action Plan", which is aimed at benefiting entrepreneurs by ensuring that
new technology standards are sufficiently well-defined to make sure that
information and communication technology (ICT) systems are inter-operable.
e-Europe Action Plan standardisation work is sponsored by the Commission and
carried out by European standards organisations CEN, CENELEC and ETSI. More
than 3000 experts are currently actively involved in this work, which
provides a dynamic open platform for consensus-building that is attracting
growing interest from other regions in the world. eEurope standards are
defined in workshops whose agreements will be made available for downloading
free of charge from the CEN web site. This decision is a major step towards
better disseminating European standards and fostering eEurope."

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Earnst" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:52 PM
Subject: Fw: CEN Standards free on-line


>
> Hi all,
> I think this resolves the questions.
>
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sanson Stewart [mailto:stewart.san...@cenorm.be]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:42 AM
> To: Eric Earnst
> Subject: RE: Electronic copies of standards
>
>
> Dera Sir
>
> Thanks!
>
> I have traced the error.
>
> For SOME CEN Workshops Agreements (in the ICT) field, where there is a
> compensatory payment of some kind, these will be put free on the web
> (actually some have already been there, I believe).
>
> As for all othzr European Standards - no, I am afraid not!
>
> Regards
>
> ==
> Stewart Sanson - Public Relations
> Strategy and Business Development
>
> CEN - European Committee for Standardization
> Rue de Stassart 36, B-1050 Brussels
>
> Tel.: + 32 2 550 08 52
> Fax: + 32 2 550 08 19
> E-mail: mailto:stewart.san...@cenorm.be
> Web: http://www.cenorm.be
> ==
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Earnst [mailto:eear...@accuray.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 02:19
> To: Sanson Stewart
> Subject: RE: Electronic copies of standards
>
>
> Hello,
> Somebody sent a link on a mailing list that I subscribe to for a press
> release on the europa.eu.int website:
>
> http://europa.eu.int/rapid/start/cgi/guesten.ksh?p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=
> IP/01/1837|0|RAPID&lg=EN
>
> The key text seems to be:
>
> "The European Commission has welcomed the decision of the European
> Committee for Standardisation CEN to follow the European
> Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) in publishing electronic
> standards on-line and free of charge from January 2002."
>
> I think this is what caused people to believe that the standards would
> become available though there has subsequently been much confusion over
> what the press release really means.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
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RE: EMC for cardio : which standard apply?

[Paolo Peruzzi]

Jim,
thanks for your suggestions.
Our product will be sold at least in Europe and US, so we need CE marking,
but not only that, I suppose.
Though there are some similarities between 60601-2-25 +A1 and 60601-1-2 2nd
ed, I think there are important differences too, to the extent that the
latter is in general more severe (more tests prescribed).
Best regards,
p.p.

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Re: radar

[John Woodgate]

I read in !emc-pstc that Robert Macy  wrote (in
<001401c1988a$42e50a60$46e10...@robert.macy.california.com>) about
'radar', on Tue, 8 Jan 2002:
>But on the up side,
>if you're stopped in England you don't have to produce a driver's license --
>considered an invasion of your rights, or such.

Not really about 'rights', I think. It's 'traditional', and in the old
days people didn't necessarily carry their licence.

You are required to produce your licence **and certificate of
insurance** at a police station of your choice within 5 days. Certainly,
some people do not carry their certificate of insurance, and if it's a
company car, they usually don't have one; this is a security precaution
to prevent the car being taken out of UK without permission.
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk 
After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. 

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Re: European and North American Cordage

[Lou Aiken]

Oscar,  Here is what I learned from Feller, the supplier of the so called 
"universal cord".

Feller calls it HARSJT3x18AWG.

The limited applications are:

The jumper cable with the C13 & C14 connector and shrouded plug; we already 
knew about that.

The same, but to extend the mains cord when the socket outlet is located too 
far from the product.

This is the cost saving idea when the volumes are low:

The Feller customer orders the most common assembly consisting of the universal 
cord and the fully approved C13 connector.  Then, when the  customer ships to a 
country that needs a plug other than the most common plug, it is replaced with 
a rewirable plug for use in that particular country. This avoids a high unit 
price when the volumes are low, and still provides a fully approved assembly.  
It sounds clever to me.

Maybe that is what  Peter Merguerian had in mind when he asked where to get the 
cord.  He did not ask us if he should or should not specify the universal cord; 
he only wanted to know where to get it..

Regards, Lou



Lou Aiken
27109 Palmetto Drive
Orange Beach, AL
36561 USA

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fax +1 251 981 3054
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  - Original Message - 
  From: oover...@lexmark.com 
  To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:44 PM
  Subject: RE: European and North American Cordage





  Because of the different mains plugs required in the different countries I 
have
  never seen much advantage to "universal" cordage.
  The one exception to this is a "jumper" cord that has an  IEC320, C-13 
connector
  on one end and a C-14 connector on the other.
  This type of power cord is independent of the mains connector and can be used 
in
  any country that is within the current limits.
  This minimizes the number of part numbers of "jumper" cords that need to be
  stocked and keeps the possiblity of putting the wrong cord into the box.

  MOO
  (My Opinions Only)




  "WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1)" 
  on 01/08/2002 11:28:32 AM

  Please respond to "WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1)"


  To:   "'jrbar...@lexmark.com'" ,
Peter Merguerian ,
emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com
  cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark)
  Subject:  RE: European and North American Cordage




  Howdy all,

  Having been involved with power cords and cord sets for quite some time I
  have never seen an advantage in using "Universal" cordage. Therefore, I
  would be interested to hear from people what they have to say about their
  usage of "Universal" cordage and what they have benefited from using it. I
  am specifically interested in certification and material costs when using
  "Universal" cordage versus HAR or UL/CSA certified cordage.

  Regards,
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  -Original Message-
  From: jrbar...@lexmark.com [mailto:jrbar...@lexmark.com]
  Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:21 PM
  To: Peter Merguerian; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
  Subject: Re: European and North American Cordage





  Peter,
  We used a HARSVT 3x18AWG 1.00mm2 "Universal"   linecord from Feller on the
  Lexmark MarNet XLe External Network Adapter.  This had a Harmonized plus
  UL/CSA-listed cordage.  I can't find my Feller catalog right now, and their
  website (http://www.feller-at.com/ ) doesn't say, but I think that
  they
  had HARSVT cordage in 16AWG and 14AWG, along with HARSJT cordage.

John Barnes  Advisory Engineer
Lexmark International



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Re: radar

[Jim Freeman]

I didn't know that there were any speed limits in Germany.

Jim Freeman

Lothar Schmidt wrote:

> There are even better systems on the market. The German police use
> systems which show the driver very clearly by placing the cameras so,
> that it takes the front of the car.So please smile if you drive too
> fast Best RegardsLothar Schmidt
>
> Technical Manager EMC/Radio
> BQB
> CETECOM Inc.
> 411 Dixon Landing Road
> Milpitas, CA 95035
> ( +1 408 586 6214
> Ê +1 408 586 6299
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
>  [mailto:kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:09 PM
>  To: ghery.pet...@intel.com; nickjro...@cs.com;
>  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
>  Subject: RE: radar
>
>  My own experience with photo radar showed a very clear
>  picture of the rear of the car, showing the license plate
>  and also a good view of the back of my head.  No court
>  summons was involved as I did not attempt to fight it.  The
>  ticket went out to the registered owner of the vehicle...not
>  the driver hence no insurance impact.My two cent and and not
>  that of my employer,Regards,Kaz GawrzyjalDell
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:34 PM
>  To: 'Nick Rouse'; emc
>  Subject: RE: radar
>
>  Does the photo show who was driving the car?  Can't say that
>  I would be too happy to be summoned to court when one of my
>  kids (or wife) was speeding.Ghery Pettit
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Nick Rouse [mailto:nickjro...@cs.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:03 PM
>  To: emc
>  Subject: Re: radar
>
>  I don't know if the technique is used in America but the
>  speed cameras in the UK are triggered by radar but produce
>  evidence by taking two pictures illuminated by two strobe
>  pulses timed about 150ms apart. Stripes are painted across
>  the road spaced so that between flashes a vehicle will
>  traverse one stripe pitch for every 10mph.If the pictures
>  show you have traversed more than 7 stripe pitches (on
>  motorways)you will receive copies of these photos together
>  with a summons to appear in court.Nick Rouse  >Jim
>  Freeman wrote:
>
> > >Hi All,
> > >   I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to
> > work and
> > >noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the
> > opposite of the
> > >freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my
> > attention was
> > >what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I
> > have been
> > >thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has
> > some ways of
> > >taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the
> > radar source. Any
> > >help would be appreciated.
> >
> > >Thanks
> > >Jim Freeman
>
>   > Hi All,
>   > I apologize for being off subject
>   > but I was driving to work and
>   > noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol
>   > officer on the opposite of the
>   > freeway an about 500 yards away. What
>   > brought him to my attention was
>   > what appeared to be a strobe light
>   > that was flashing. I have been
>   > thinking about and I was wondering if
>   > the new radar has some ways of
>   > taking pictures or if the strobe light
>   > really is the radar source. Any
>   > help would be appreciated.
>   >
>   > Thanks
>   > Jim Freeman
>

Re: radar

[Cortland Richmond]

Remember the "Miss Piggy" driver? He wore a rubber mask so he could challenge
photo-radar citations. When I was there he had not lost a case, because
the photograph could not identify the driver, and there was at the time
no law requiring a driver to refrain from wearing a mask. I do believe
that has since been changed!
Who, moi?
Cortland
(What I write here is mine alone.
My employer does not
Concur, agree or else endorse
These words, their tone, or thought.)
Lothar Schmidt wrote:
 There
are even better systems on the market. The German police use systems which
show the driver very clearly by placing the cameras so, that it takes the
front of the car. So
please smile if you drive too fast





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RE: radar

[Pettit, Ghery]

I recall a similar story about the CHP.  Don't know if it's true or not.
Only speeding ticket I ever got was from a chippie, a bit over 21 years ago,
so I haven't really worried about it too much.  Seem to recall that she was
as good looking as the ones on the TV show, too.
 
Ghery
 
 
-Original Message-
From: James Collum [mailto:james.col...@usa.alcatel.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:22 PM
To: Pettit, Ghery; emc
Subject: Re: radar


Reminds me of a news article a while back from New Zealand where they also
use the roadside automated radar/camera setup (GATSO?) 

A chap received a fixed penalty ticket in the mail stating that his car had
been photographed speeding and that he had to pay a fine. 


He replied via mail with a photo of a cheque for the fine. 


The police responded also via mail with a photo of a pair of handcuffs. 


He paid up. 


Jim 


OBTW I thought that the CHP were not allowed radar as the Ca voters elected
by ballot that they would not pay taxes to allow the police to buy equipment
allowing them to raise more revenue from speeders. Hence only the local
police have radars and the CHP have to get behind you or time you over a
fixed distance from a spotter plane. Or is that an urban myth? 
  
  


"Pettit, Ghery" wrote: 


Does the photo show who was driving the car?  Can't say that I would be too
happy to be summoned to court when one of my kids (or wife) was
speeding.Ghery Pettit 
-Original Message- 
From: Nick Rouse [ mailto:nickjro...@cs.com  ] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:03 PM 
To: emc 
Subject: Re: radar 
 
I don't know if the technique is used in America but the speed cameras in
the UK are triggered by radar but produce evidence by taking two pictures
illuminated by two strobe pulses timed about 150ms apart. Stripes are
painted across the road spaced so that between flashes a vehicle will
traverse one stripe pitch for every 10mph.If the pictures show you have
traversed more than 7 stripe pitches (on motorways)you will receive copies
of these photos together with a summons to appear in court.Nick Rouse
>Jim Freeman wrote: 

>Hi All, 
>   I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to work and 
>noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite of the 
>freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my attention was 
>what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have been 
>thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some ways of 
>taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar source. Any 
>help would be appreciated. 

>Thanks 
>Jim Freeman

Hi All, 
I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to work and 
noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite of the 
freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my attention was 
what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have been 
thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some ways of 
taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar source. Any 
help would be appreciated. 

Thanks 
Jim Freeman

Re: radar

[James Collum]

Reminds me of a news article a while back from New Zealand where they
also use the roadside automated radar/camera setup (GATSO?)

A chap received a fixed penalty ticket in the mail stating that his car
had been photographed speeding and that he had to pay a fine.

He replied via mail with a photo of a cheque for the fine.

The police responded also via mail with a photo of a pair of handcuffs.

He paid up.

Jim

OBTW I thought that the CHP were not allowed radar as the Ca voters
elected by ballot that they would not pay taxes to allow the police to
buy equipment allowing them to raise more revenue from speeders. Hence
only the local police have radars and the CHP have to get behind you or
time you over a fixed distance from a spotter plane. Or is that an urban
myth?



"Pettit, Ghery" wrote:

> Does the photo show who was driving the car?  Can't say that I would
> be too happy to be summoned to court when one of my kids (or wife) was
> speeding.Ghery Pettit
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Rouse [mailto:nickjro...@cs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: emc
> Subject: Re: radar
>
> I don't know if the technique is used in America but the speed cameras
> in the UK are triggered by radar but produce evidence by taking two
> pictures illuminated by two strobe pulses timed about 150ms apart.
> Stripes are painted across the road spaced so that between flashes a
> vehicle will traverse one stripe pitch for every 10mph.If the pictures
> show you have traversed more than 7 stripe pitches (on motorways)you
> will receive copies of these photos together with a summons to appear
> in court.Nick Rouse  >Jim Freeman wrote:
>
>> >Hi All,
>> >   I apologize for being off subject but I was driving to work and
>> >noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on the opposite of the
>> >freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought him to my attention
>> was
>> >what appeared to be a strobe light that was flashing. I have been
>> >thinking about and I was wondering if the new radar has some ways
>> of
>> >taking pictures or if the strobe light really is the radar source.
>> Any
>> >help would be appreciated.
>>
>> >Thanks
>> >Jim Freeman
>
>  > Hi All,
>  > I apologize for being off subject but I was
>  > driving to work and
>  > noticed aCalifornia Highway Patrol officer on
>  > the opposite of the
>  > freeway an about 500 yards away. What brought
>  > him to my attention was
>  > what appeared to be a strobe light that was
>  > flashing. I have been
>  > thinking about and I was wondering if the new
>  > radar has some ways of
>  > taking pictures or if the strobe light really is
>  > the radar source. Any
>  > help would be appreciated.
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  > Jim Freeman
>