RE: Medical Device Emissions Limit?
Yes it is. The real frequency is 450 kHz ±100 kHz. Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:04 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Medical Device Emissions Limit? I read in !emc-pstc that Jim Conrad jc...@shore.net wrote (in ncbbkfbmfdcdcgaccfbaaeimgmaa.jc...@shore.net) about 'Medical Device Emissions Limit?', on Tue, 12 Feb 2002: ESU = Electro Surgical Unit - also know as the Bovie knife As opposed to Bowie. Or the German version thereof. and is used for cutting and coagulating in the operating room. It is essentially a 300 watt spark gap transmitter operating at 500 kHz. Charming! Isn't that still an International Distress Frequency? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Manufacturer's I.D. for Europe
I read in !emc-pstc that Enci e...@cinepower.com wrote (in 3.0.6.32.2 0020212191610.00b07...@mail.cinepower.com) about 'Manufacturer's I.D. for Europe', on Tue, 12 Feb 2002: If I recall correctly, in the EEC claims are not restricted to the final re-seller or the person/organisation to place the product on the market. Claims can also be pursued against any individual in the supply chain. I don't think this is anything special. Anyone who has a case to answer must be prepared to answer it. That does not mean that a clearly innocent party can, or is likely to, be pursued, in most countries. That might not be the case in at least one other, though. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CB - the abbreviation
To all, My, how cobwebs grow. I am not totally sure, but I seem to recall that back in the mid 80's, I read a book describing, amongst other things, the CB Scheme and there the CB was defined as Comite' Belge, or something like that (I believe that is was in French). As some of you may recall (and I may be incorrect here), the IECEE and the CB Scheme were originally based in Brussels, Belgium back then, hence, the reference to Belgium. Anyone actually remember that back then? BTW, I actually do have that book, but its in a box somewhere in my attic. And IMO, CBEMA has/had nothing to do with the CB Scheme. Comments? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com RGeorgerian@carrieracce ss.com To: dan.ro...@intel.com Sent by: cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordomSubject: RE: CB - the abbreviation o.ieee.org 02/12/02 11:07 AM Please respond to RGeorgerian Dan, I thought way back when, before the CB Scheme, the organization, Computer and Business Equipment Manufacturers Association (CBEMA), had a report format that manufacturer's can use for creating test reports. Can someone confirm, that the CBEMA format got changed to the 'CB Scheme' so it won't look like it is only for computers? Or do have my wire crossed someplace? Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com -Original Message- From: Roman, Dan [mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:26 AM To: Roman, Dan Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation Thanks, makes sense, but they do not mention what CB stands for even once on their web site, at least no place that I could find. Dan -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM To: Roman, Dan Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation CB = Certification Bodies See www.cbscheme.org for excellent info on CB Scheme. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list * This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution, or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return e-mail and delete
CE. What it may mean?
CE = Chocolate Eggs :) Enci --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Manufacturer's I.D. for Europe
Hi John, If I recall correctly, in the EEC claims are not restricted to the final re-seller or the person/organisation to place the product on the market. Claims can also be pursued against any individual in the supply chain. Enci At 07:19 12/02/02 -0800, John wrote: Also in the US (with UL anyway) there's 'Multiple Listing' where the re-seller's identity is displayed but the manufacturer's is shielded from the public, however it's traceable thru UL. In my personal opinion, the method in Europe where the final reseller is the responsible party is a double-edged sword. a. After the initial manufacture, there could be value-added modifications by a reseller that in theory could compromise the end-product's compliance therefore the manufacturer should not be responsible. b. Turns out the product's design had some safety-compromising flaws that became apparent after some time of use. Why should the final reseller be responsible? (But he can always take the manufacturer thru litigation). Tough call. This can be debated endlessly, with numerous valid points on bothe sides. My opinion only . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:52 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Manufacturer's I.D. for Europe What are your thoughts on this issue? The prevailing ITE safety standards (e.g. IEC 60950) require markings that include the manufacturer's name, trademark, or identification mark (section 1.7.1). It is not uncommon for a manufacturer to allow another company to market their products under the 2nd company's logo. Often the 2nd company will retain the certified machine model/type number, but prefers no reference to the original manufacturer, including on the power rating label. In the U.S., manufacturer identification marks can be listed by UL in their Yellow Books. For example, in the case above, the original manufacturer's identity can be preserved by the use of a listed graphic, which is not obvious to someone buying the product through the 2nd company. In addition, the use of agency file numbers with their marks maintains traceability to the original manufacturer. However, in Europe, I am not aware of any means by which manufacturer's identification marks can be registered or listed. In addition, European safety agency marks are not required to be accompanied by file numbers etc. Therefore, replacement of the original manufacturer's name and/or logo with that of a 2nd party obscures any traceability to the original manufacturer. This may be acceptable, for as I understand it, the EU holds the responsible party as being the one placing the product on the market, i,e, not the original manufacturer. George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and
RE: CB - the abbreviation
Dan, I thought way back when, before the CB Scheme, the organization, Computer and Business Equipment Manufacturers Association (CBEMA), had a report format that manufacturer's can use for creating test reports. Can someone confirm, that the CBEMA format got changed to the 'CB Scheme' so it won't look like it is only for computers? Or do have my wire crossed someplace? Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com -Original Message- From: Roman, Dan [mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:26 AM To: Roman, Dan Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation Thanks, makes sense, but they do not mention what CB stands for even once on their web site, at least no place that I could find. Dan -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM To: Roman, Dan Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation CB = Certification Bodies See www.cbscheme.org for excellent info on CB Scheme. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list * This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution, or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return e-mail and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. Thank you. *
Re: CE - the abbreviation
Certification Body I guess. Alan - Original Message - From: Roman, Dan dan.ro...@intel.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation My understanding also but here is one I've never figured out, what does CB stand for in the CB Scheme of things? Dan -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
.............. the abbreviation
C_ompletely B_ewildered... does it matter what the acronym, if any was ever intended, stands for? What matters is what the mark means.. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Hazard/Product Safety Opportunity
Posted for Steffani Brooks, please respond directly to her, only: sbro...@hallkinion.com mailto:sbro...@hallkinion.com location: Dallas, Texas duration: appriox. 1-month Douglas G. Frazee Lucent PSAX Compliance Manager dfra...@lucent.com mailto:dfra...@lucent.com -Original Message- From: Steffani Brooks [mailto:sbro...@hallkinion.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:49 AM To: dfra...@lucent.com Subject: Hazard/Product Safety Consultant Description Doug, Thank you so very much for your assistance regarding the contract opening I have here in Dallas. We have a client here in the Telecom Corridor who is currently in need of a Hazard/Product Safety Consultant who is well versed in UL, CE, and NEBS regulatory compliance issues. I have included a description below: Job Description- consultant to internal hazard analysis team specializing in the area of telecom regulatory agency issues including UL, NEBS and CE mark related to safety. Responsibilities to include active participation in meetings accumulating hazard risks inside an all optical router product, research into specific areas of regulations and/or upcoming changes on behalf of the team, assistance in identifying hazards based on past experience. Will also participate in generation of final report. Experience Required- B.S. Degree in electrical or related discipline, advanced degree a plus. Minimum 10 years relevant experience in the telecom field, particularly in the area of regulatory safety compliance. Experience in hazard analysis investigation and reporting a plus. Must be current on latest rules and regulations and be capable of quickly answering specific questions about the scope and intent of those rules and regulations. Must work well in team environment and be focused on getting a job done rather than simply exploring. Credentials and/or experience with any of the agencies listed above is a plus. Please let any interested party know that they can contact me directly by email at sbro...@hallkinion.com mailto:sbro...@hallkinion.com or toll free at 888-989-4254. Thank you again, Doug, and if you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me by phone or email. Hope you have a wonderful day! Best regards, Steffani Brooks Technical Recruiter Hall Kinion Associates Dallas, TX Local: 972-783-0100 x215 Toll Free: 888-989-4254 x215 Fax: 972-783-2740 www.hallkinion.com http://www.hallkinion.com
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Interestingly, if you go to : http://www.acronymfinder.com/ you will get 63 hits on CB. Only one is close to those used in the certification field, i.e. Certified Bodies. Both competent bodies and certification bodies have been used for some time, and abbreviated CB. The true meaning of CB depends on the context in which it is used. George --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Dan, Sorry about that. I should have checked first. The closest I found on the site was The operating units of the CB Scheme are the National Certification Bodies (NCB's). Like most such websites, there may actually be a definition somewhere if one looks at enough pages, but I won't tout it again. George Roman, Dan dan.roman%intel@interlock.lexmark.com on 02/12/2002 10:26:02 AM Please respond to Roman, Dan dan.roman%intel@interlock.lexmark.com To: Roman, Dan dan.roman%intel@interlock.lexmark.com cc: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation Thanks, makes sense, but they do not mention what CB stands for even once on their web site, at least no place that I could find. Dan -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM To: Roman, Dan Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation CB = Certification Bodies See www.cbscheme.org for excellent info on CB Scheme. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Bonjour de Montréal, I got this definition on the CSA-International web site. See for yourself: http://www.csa-international.org/international/outside/default.asp?load=cb_s cheme Regards, == Benoît Nadeau, ing., M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox == 1055, boul St-Régis Dorval (Québec) Canada H9P 2T4 Tel : (514) 822-6000 (2475) Fax : (514) 822-6275 mailto:bnad...@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com == -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Roman, Dan Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:26 To: Roman, Dan Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation Thanks, makes sense, but they do not mention what CB stands for even once on their web site, at least no place that I could find. Dan -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM To: Roman, Dan Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation CB = Certification Bodies See www.cbscheme.org for excellent info on CB Scheme. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Thanks, makes sense, but they do not mention what CB stands for even once on their web site, at least no place that I could find. Dan -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:15 AM To: Roman, Dan Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation CB = Certification Bodies See www.cbscheme.org for excellent info on CB Scheme. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Manufacturer's I.D. for Europe
Also in the US (with UL anyway) there's 'Multiple Listing' where the re-seller's identity is displayed but the manufacturer's is shielded from the public, however it's traceable thru UL. In my personal opinion, the method in Europe where the final reseller is the responsible party is a double-edged sword. a. After the initial manufacture, there could be value-added modifications by a reseller that in theory could compromise the end-product's compliance therefore the manufacturer should not be responsible. b. Turns out the product's design had some safety-compromising flaws that became apparent after some time of use. Why should the final reseller be responsible? (But he can always take the manufacturer thru litigation). Tough call. This can be debated endlessly, with numerous valid points on bothe sides. My opinion only . . . John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:52 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Manufacturer's I.D. for Europe What are your thoughts on this issue? The prevailing ITE safety standards (e.g. IEC 60950) require markings that include the manufacturer's name, trademark, or identification mark (section 1.7.1). It is not uncommon for a manufacturer to allow another company to market their products under the 2nd company's logo. Often the 2nd company will retain the certified machine model/type number, but prefers no reference to the original manufacturer, including on the power rating label. In the U.S., manufacturer identification marks can be listed by UL in their Yellow Books. For example, in the case above, the original manufacturer's identity can be preserved by the use of a listed graphic, which is not obvious to someone buying the product through the 2nd company. In addition, the use of agency file numbers with their marks maintains traceability to the original manufacturer. However, in Europe, I am not aware of any means by which manufacturer's identification marks can be registered or listed. In addition, European safety agency marks are not required to be accompanied by file numbers etc. Therefore, replacement of the original manufacturer's name and/or logo with that of a 2nd party obscures any traceability to the original manufacturer. This may be acceptable, for as I understand it, the EU holds the responsible party as being the one placing the product on the market, i,e, not the original manufacturer. George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
CB = Certification Bodies See www.cbscheme.org for excellent info on CB Scheme. Roman, Dan dan.roman%intel@interlock.lexmark.com on 02/12/2002 09:40:23 AM Please respond to Roman, Dan dan.roman%intel@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation My understanding also but here is one I've never figured out, what does CB stand for in the CB Scheme of things? Dan -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Bonjour de Montréal, CB means Competent Body, any other interpretations? Regards, == Benoît Nadeau, ing., M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox == 1055, boul St-Régis Dorval (Québec) Canada H9P 2T4 Tel : (514) 822-6000 (2475) Fax : (514) 822-6275 mailto:bnad...@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com == -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Roman, Dan Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 09:40 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE - the abbreviation My understanding also but here is one I've never figured out, what does CB stand for in the CB Scheme of things? Dan -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Hello Dan, CB stands for Certification Body. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Roman, Dan wrote: My understanding also but here is one I've never figured out, what does CB stand for in the CB Scheme of things? Dan -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
My understanding also but here is one I've never figured out, what does CB stand for in the CB Scheme of things? Dan -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
The way I understood it since the 'EC 1992' hype is as Alan noted below. However, I think the more important meaning is: 'I have a job'. John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com - Original Message - From: am...@westin-emission.no To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: CE - the abbreviation Hi all, We had a short discussion last autumn about the abbreviation of 'CE'. Did we conclude that the characters CE didn't mean anything? I have seen papers recently that says CE is 'Communauté Européen', but we did conclude that it was incorrect, didn't we ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Medical Device Emissions Limit?
I read in !emc-pstc that Jim Conrad jc...@shore.net wrote (in ncbbkfbmfdcdcgaccfbaaeimgmaa.jc...@shore.net) about 'Medical Device Emissions Limit?', on Tue, 12 Feb 2002: ESU = Electro Surgical Unit - also know as the Bovie knife As opposed to Bowie. Or the German version thereof. and is used for cutting and coagulating in the operating room. It is essentially a 300 watt spark gap transmitter operating at 500 kHz. Charming! Isn't that still an International Distress Frequency? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Medical Device Emissions Limit?
ESU = Electro Surgical Unit - also know as the Bovie knife and is used for cutting and coagulating in the operating room. It is essentially a 300 watt spark gap transmitter operating at 500 kHz. Sorry about that. Best regards, Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:47 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Medical Device Emissions Limit? I read in !emc-pstc that Jim Conrad jc...@shore.net wrote (in ncbbkfbmfdcdcgaccfbageihgmaa.jc...@shore.net) about 'Medical Device Emissions Limit?', on Mon, 11 Feb 2002: you should also consider ESU testing even thought it is not specifically mentioned (at this time) in standards you mentioned below. What is 'ESU testing'? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: CE - the abbreviation
Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com - Original Message - From: am...@westin-emission.no To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: CE - the abbreviation Hi all, We had a short discussion last autumn about the abbreviation of 'CE'. Did we conclude that the characters CE didn't mean anything? I have seen papers recently that says CE is 'Communauté Européen', but we did conclude that it was incorrect, didn't we ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Medical Device Emissions Limit?
I read in !emc-pstc that Jim Conrad jc...@shore.net wrote (in ncbbkfbmfdcdcgaccfbageihgmaa.jc...@shore.net) about 'Medical Device Emissions Limit?', on Mon, 11 Feb 2002: you should also consider ESU testing even thought it is not specifically mentioned (at this time) in standards you mentioned below. What is 'ESU testing'? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Medical Device Emissions Limit?
Hi Kevin, Hospitals are generally considered Class A. If the device will be used in the OR, you should also consider ESU testing even thought it is not specifically mentioned (at this time) in standards you mentioned below. Your customers in the OR will be real unhappy when the Bovie goes off and your product fails to function. Best regards, Jim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Hight Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:16 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Medical Device Emissions Limit? Good Morning, I am in desperate need of your expert assistance. I need to define the requirements for a device that is located in a hospital operating room. Device 'X' is used during surgery and makes contact to the patient. The device will be compliant with EN 60601-1, EN 60601-1-1, EN 60601-1-2 (2001). Question: For Radiated Emissions, is this product a Class A or a Class B device? Regards, __ Kevin J. Hight - Principal Compliance Engineer Colorado MEDtech, Inc. 6175 Longbow Drive, Boulder, Colorado 80301 Phone: (303) 530-8288 x-3111 Fax: (303) 581-1003 Email: k...@cmed.com mailto:k...@cmed.comhttp://www.cmed.com http://www.cmed.com Great crises produce great men, and great deeds of courage. -- John F. Kennedy --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
