RE: UL and multiple brand names
Yup, I stand corrected. The Listing mark must contain the parts I identified this morning, but section 1.7.1 (when you read donw the page far enough) says. Manufacturer's name or trade-mark or identification mark And I don't see any exclusions following that comment. Gary -Original Message- From: Peter L. Tarver [mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:17 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: UL and multiple brand names There seems to be some confusion regarding my question to Kristiaan Carpentier, regarding using the Listing Mark Control Number (LMCN) as the company ID for a product. I did not ask what a LMCN is. For those who don't know me, I worked at UL for over ten years and possess a reasonable understanding of such items. My question relates exclusively to the use of the LMCN as a company ID, in place of a formal or full company name, tradename, or trademark. Since I happened to need to speak to a person in UL's Label Services group this morning for another issue, I put the question them; their response was an emphatic NO. So, unless Kris has something in writing from UL to support the claim that the LMCN may be used as a company ID, that is not a valid option. Even if Kris does have something in writing, the validity of that is questionable and the source needs to be verified and the information cross-checked for accuracy. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com -Original Message- From: Peter L. Tarver Kris - I had enquired about use of the Listing Mark Control Number as a company ID some years ago and was told that it was unacceptable and that some other marking was required for traceability. Do you have this in writing from UL? Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: UL and multiple brand names
There seems to be some confusion regarding my question to Kristiaan Carpentier, regarding using the Listing Mark Control Number (LMCN) as the company ID for a product. I did not ask what a LMCN is. For those who don't know me, I worked at UL for over ten years and possess a reasonable understanding of such items. My question relates exclusively to the use of the LMCN as a company ID, in place of a formal or full company name, tradename, or trademark. Since I happened to need to speak to a person in UL's Label Services group this morning for another issue, I put the question them; their response was an emphatic NO. So, unless Kris has something in writing from UL to support the claim that the LMCN may be used as a company ID, that is not a valid option. Even if Kris does have something in writing, the validity of that is questionable and the source needs to be verified and the information cross-checked for accuracy. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com -Original Message- From: Peter L. Tarver Kris - I had enquired about use of the Listing Mark Control Number as a company ID some years ago and was told that it was unacceptable and that some other marking was required for traceability. Do you have this in writing from UL? Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Test Equipment available.
I don't want to tie up the system so I'll keep this short sweet. Giving up consulting (too busy at work) and want sell everything. I have both EMC test instruments, accessories a few other nice lab instruments (no junk). All items are in good to excellent condition, most are GPIB and calibrated. The list includes Sig Gen's (4), Spectrum analyzers (3), HP-8714C network analyzer Fischer probes (3), Antenna's (4), near field probe kits (2), and misc. stuff. All of the EMC stuff is useable to the current standards. Great stuff for lab expansion or a new in-house lab on limited budget. Anyone interested please contact me OFF-LINE for the list (word-97). Regards to all, Michael Taylor Colorado mtay...@hach.com
RE: UL and multiple brand names
Peter, Form the Listing Mark Data Page (LMPD) which is required to be filed immediately afater the authorization paged, in the UL report The Listing Mark consist of four elements placed in close proximity and shall appear on Listed Products only. I'm paraphrasing the rest. They are: The UL in a circle logo The word Listed = the control number assigned by UL or /Applicant/Listee's file number Product Identity e.g. ITE (there are exceptions to this and to where it can be placed Gary -Original Message- From: Peter L. Tarver [mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:18 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: UL and multiple brand names Kris - I had enquired about use of the Listing Mark Control Number as a company ID some years ago and was told that it was unacceptable and that some other marking was required for traceability. Do you have this in writing from UL? Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: Carpentier Kristiaan To avoid (the cost of) multiple listing: The UL file number does not have to be placed on the product. There is no reference to the manufacturer required anywhere on the product. UL assigns a control number to your Listing mark. This control number is proprietary with UL and not available to anyone unless. It is for their use only. Of course, some-one who has lots of time may compare this controlnumber between different products and finally makes a link to the UL filenumber of the listee. Regards, Kris --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
BlueTooth
Hi all Does anyone have a world wide list over Bluetooth approval requirements or can point me to a web page with good information. It is not the BT approval itself but the short range devices approval/requirements I seek. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark attachment: kimboll.vcf
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RE: Compliance Engineering Status Report
Please disregardagain. Sigh. Where is my coffee? -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:02 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: Compliance Engineering Status Report File: deliverables.docFile: Test sched master.xls --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Compliance Engineering Status Report
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Reminder NPSS Vendors Night Next Week on Thursday, November 21
All, The Northeast Product Safety Society invites you to the 8th annual Vendors Night to be held at the Marlboro Holiday Inn on Thursday evening, November 21st from 5:00 to 9:30 PM. Complementary technical seminars from 1:00 to 4:00 PM titled Design for Compliance and International Approvals in Particular Japan and Russia will be offered by TUV Rheinland and M.A. Lamothe Associates. Vendor's Night is opportunity to get answers to all your product safety/EMC questions in one evening from up to 50 certification agencies, qualified testing laboratories, independent consultants and suppliers of services, test equipment and components. The Vendors Night registration and cash bar opens at 5:00 PM and the Exhibition with appetizers opens at 5:30 PM. The buffet dinner from 6:30 to 8:00 is free to paid NPSS members and available to non-members for $15.00. The Exhibition closes at 9:30 but will remain open during the buffet. If you join NPSS and pay your annual $28 dues during registration on the 21st, the buffet will be included with your membership, which will be valid for 2003. An attendee Vendors Night registration form is available on the NPSS web site at http://www.nepss.org/vendors2001/registration.htm. An NPSS membership application form with brief NPSS brochure is also available on the NPSS site at http://www.nepss.org/membership/npssbroc.txt. There are still a few tables available for any vendor that would like to participate in the 8th Annual Vendors Night. A Vendor exhibit space application form is available on the NPSS web site at http://www.nepss.org/vendors2001/vendorform.htm. Please feel free to contact myself or any other NPSS AdCom officer for more information about Vendors Night. The complementary seminars are aimed at designers, product safety and regulatory compliance specialists involved in the development and manufacture of electrical products. Attendance is welcome at either or both sessions. The International Approvals in particular Japan and Russia session will start at 1:00 PM and covers compliance requirements and provides an overview of the approvals needed to sell in various countries. The Design for Compliance session will start at 3:00 PM and covers practical application of electrical product safety standards for regulatory compliance as well as design for compliance requirements for construction, components, layout, etc. Further information regarding these sessions is available on the Lamothe Associates web site at http://www.lamothe-approvals.com/seminars.htm. Further information about the Northeast Product Safety Society and how to become a member is available at http://www.nepss.org. You can also contact one of the NPSS officers via links at http://www.nepss.org/secretary/officerskf.html. The 8th Annual Vendors Night location is: Marlborough Holiday Inn 265 Lakeside Ave. Marlborough, MA (508) 480-0015 From Route 495 take exit 24 to Route 20 East in Marlboro If Southbound on Route 495, the exit is the second of the two Route 20 exits. If Northbound on Route 495, the exit is the first of the two Route 20 exits. The entrance to the Holiday Inn is the first left just beyond the Route 495 ramps. Matt Campanella NPSS Secretary Compliance Engineer Motorola, Inc. Broadband Communications Sector 3 Highwood Drive East Tewksbury, MA 01876 (978) 858-2303 Direct (978) 858-2300 Main (978) 858-2399 Fax matthew.campane...@motorola.com email --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Antenna mast
I read in !emc-pstc that HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) ken_h...@hp.com wrote (in 6bd67ffb937fd411a04f00d0b74fe8781050e...@xrose06.rose.hp.com ) about 'Antenna mast' on Thu, 14 Nov 2002: The HD MA 240 is listed in their catalog and on the WEB site. I guess you may not want to buy one from them since they do not support it. Not a very good business policy. Indeed. Maybe they think you have to contact Guy Rope to support an antenna mast. (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Antenna mast
Hello, The HD MA 240 is listed in their catalog and on the WEB site. I guess you may not want to buy one from them since they do not support it. Not a very good business policy. Ken hall -Original Message- From: KC CHAN [PDD] [mailto:kcc...@hkpc.org] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 5:01 PM To: ken_h...@hp.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Antenna mast But, HDusa doesn't support that. HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) ken_h...@hp.com 11/14/02 10:56pm Hello, Check www.hdusa.net HDusa. regards, Ken Hall -Original Message- From: KC CHAN [PDD] [mailto:kcc...@hkpc.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:22 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Antenna mast Dear all I would like to see if anyone who knows the contract of HD GmbH in Germany as I have one antenna mast, MA-240 that need to be fixed. The office in US said they cannot provide repair service. Or any service centre in Asian area? Thank you KC Chan --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Antenna mast
But, HDusa doesn't support that. HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) ken_h...@hp.com 11/14/02 10:56pm Hello, Check www.hdusa.net HDusa. regards, Ken Hall -Original Message- From: KC CHAN [PDD] [mailto:kcc...@hkpc.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:22 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Antenna mast Dear all I would like to see if anyone who knows the contract of HD GmbH in Germany as I have one antenna mast, MA-240 that need to be fixed. The office in US said they cannot provide repair service. Or any service centre in Asian area? Thank you KC Chan --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
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Brian, Basically, you need to conduct a reserve polarity test. Ramon Torres, P.E. Manager International EMC NEBS Services Underwriters Laboratories Inc. 2600 N.W. Lake Road Camas, WA 98607-8542, USA (P) 360-817-5544 (F) 360-817-6034 Email: ramon.j.tor...@us.ul.com UL - Working for a Safer World Brian O'Connell boconn...@t-yuden.comTo: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordomSubject: o.ieee.org 11/14/2002 02:23 PM Please respond to Brian O'Connell Good People of PSTC: Clause 1.4.5 of EN60950:2000 states When testing equipment for d.c. only, the possible influence of polarity shall be taken into account. What test conditions can be infered from this sentence? R/S, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc. -- For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca, or contact your local sales representative. -- * Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. Underwriters Laboratories Inc. and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
