RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?)
Sorry -- Something got lost in the translation. Try again. It was not supposed to be a map. Apparently the p got lost. http://tinyurl.com/69na9p John From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Shinn Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:35 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Take a look at this. http://tinyurl.com/69na9 Regards, John Shinn, P.E. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?)
...and all this from an expert in the field. Ian Gordon From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hone Sent: 18 August 2008 17:50 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Gentlemen - It seems to me this is such a hot potato and has bean such a topic of debate, that we should hold out a carrot to anyone who can sort out the wheat from the chaff in this correspondence, be they Swede or from Brussels, without making a meal of it. Lettuce finish here regarding this field of discussion lest the details leek out and the press get hold of it. Unless of course it's someone's oats. Regards, Mark (Sorry) Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com 18/08/08 17:03:51 John Woodgate wrote... Zoom in. No, much more than that! Oh! Am I now supposed to say Goodness Me? (If it is, it doesn't look too healthy!) Is that why the fields around there are getting special treatment in terms of satellite resolution? Regards Tim - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and are provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any copying, disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and strictly prohibited and you should please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments from your system. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?)
It is an interesting video, but it could easily have been staged. The view under the table was blocked and we are presented with only a narrow view of events seen through the camera's lens. It would be easy enough to run and document a scientific experiment. I doubt you will find any such experiment on the web or anywhere else. The whole concept seems a bit outlandish. Put a few kernels of corn in a microwave oven and you will find that it takes much longer. Am I to believe that a 1000 watt oven designed to contain the energy within a fixed space has more trouble popping corn than a few low power cell phones can do in open space? Am I to believe that a cell phone can pop corn within seconds yet causes no noticeable heating to my hand when I hold it when it rings? The amount of energy required to raise the water in one kernel of corn to boiling is very low. It takes only 418 mW to raise one milligram of water 100 degrees Celsius. However, the actual energy reaching a kernel of corn from the cell phone is going to be far less than that. The phone's energy is not concentrated in one direction. It is interesting to me that the cell phones' antenna tips are pointed at the corn even though that is not the direction that the most energy would be radiated. This appears to be a well staged hoax but nothing more. Ted Eckert The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, John Shinn jmsh...@pacbell.net wrote: From: John Shinn jmsh...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:32 PM Sorry -- Something got lost in the translation. Try again. It was not supposed to be a map. Apparently the p got lost. http://tinyurl.com/69na9p John -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Shinn Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:35 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Take a look at this. http://tinyurl.com/69na9 Regards, John Shinn, P.E. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?)
Fun to watch, but a hoax. http://www.snopes.com/science/cookegg.asp Regards, Conan From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ted Eckert Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:44 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) It is an interesting video, but it could easily have been staged. The view under the table was blocked and we are presented with only a narrow view of events seen through the camera's lens. It would be easy enough to run and document a scientific experiment. I doubt you will find any such experiment on the web or anywhere else. The whole concept seems a bit outlandish. Put a few kernels of corn in a microwave oven and you will find that it takes much longer. Am I to believe that a 1000 watt oven designed to contain the energy within a fixed space has more trouble popping corn than a few low power cell phones can do in open space? Am I to believe that a cell phone can pop corn within seconds yet causes no noticeable heating to my hand when I hold it when it rings? The amount of energy required to raise the water in one kernel of corn to boiling is very low. It takes only 418 mW to raise one milligram of water 100 degrees Celsius. However, the actual energy reaching a kernel of corn from the cell phone is going to be far less than that. The phone's energy is not concentrated in one direction. It is interesting to me that the cell phones' antenna tips are pointed at the corn even though that is not the direction that the most energy would be radiated. This appears to be a well staged hoax but nothing more. Ted Eckert The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, John Shinn jmsh...@pacbell.net wrote: From: John Shinn jmsh...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:32 PM Sorry -- Something got lost in the translation. Try again. It was not supposed to be a map. Apparently the p got lost. http://tinyurl.com/69na9p John -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Shinn Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:35 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Take a look at this. http://tinyurl.com/69na9 Regards, John Shinn, P.E. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?)
I agree with both Ted and Conan. It most likely is a hoax, but it fits the topic. In Fact, I am quite sure it is a hoax. John From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Boyle, Conan Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:45 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Fun to watch, but a hoax. http://www.snopes.com/science/cookegg.asp Regards, Conan From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ted Eckert Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:44 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) It is an interesting video, but it could easily have been staged. The view under the table was blocked and we are presented with only a narrow view of events seen through the camera's lens. It would be easy enough to run and document a scientific experiment. I doubt you will find any such experiment on the web or anywhere else. The whole concept seems a bit outlandish. Put a few kernels of corn in a microwave oven and you will find that it takes much longer. Am I to believe that a 1000 watt oven designed to contain the energy within a fixed space has more trouble popping corn than a few low power cell phones can do in open space? Am I to believe that a cell phone can pop corn within seconds yet causes no noticeable heating to my hand when I hold it when it rings? The amount of energy required to raise the water in one kernel of corn to boiling is very low. It takes only 418 mW to raise one milligram of water 100 degrees Celsius. However, the actual energy reaching a kernel of corn from the cell phone is going to be far less than that. The phone's energy is not concentrated in one direction. It is interesting to me that the cell phones' antenna tips are pointed at the corn even though that is not the direction that the most energy would be radiated. This appears to be a well staged hoax but nothing more. Ted Eckert The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, John Shinn jmsh...@pacbell.net wrote: From: John Shinn jmsh...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:32 PM Sorry -- Something got lost in the translation. Try again. It was not supposed to be a map. Apparently the p got lost. http://tinyurl.com/69na9p John -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Shinn Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:35 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Take a look at this. http://tinyurl.com/69na9 Regards, John Shinn, P.E. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
