Re: [PSES] Training Delivery in the EU
I agree with John, use a *technical* translator. I’ve had great success finding low cost translation (and other) services from freelancer web sites. The one I use is www.freelancer.com http://www.freelancer.com/ , there are of course other similar sites. My experience of using the above site has been universally positive for translation and other spurious engineering tasks. But do remember when specifying your requirements – GIGO. Hope this helps. Tony - Original Message - From: John Woodgate Sent: 11/23/11 05:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Training Delivery in the EU In message 1ad19e73-8e37-40ca-80e4-a064e9239...@mac.com, dated Tue, 22 Nov 2011, Doug Nix d...@mac.com writes: I have a client who asked me a question that stumped me today. This is in relation to a CE marked machine that will be installed in Turkey. Is it acceptable to provide training in English with a local technical translator bridging the potential language issues? I am well aware that Information for Use (MD Annex 1, 1.7) is required to be provided in the official language of the country of use, and training is certainly information for use, but how to bridge the language gap for live training? Any thoughts will be appreciated.. It seems to me that it is a reasonable way to do it. You almost certainly won't get explicit rulings on things like this in standards or regulations, so we are down to consider what the putative 'reasonable person' of the courtroom would decide. Knowing translators, I recommend that you get the script translated by a qualifi! ed professional *technical* translator, and make sure that the live interpreter doesn't deviate too far from it without explaining why. Languages change over quite short times, for example, and the translator may produce a translation in 1950s language, which would sound odd now. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Some people who are peeling the finch of the financial crisis are thinking of biting a rook. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ie! ee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/li strules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Green multi conductor wire
Hi all I have a medico HF surgical handset where the designer has chosen green as a main color for parts of the product. Also the 3 wire cable to the handset has a green outer insulation over the 3 wires. Internal in the cable the 3 wires are blue, red and white. The product is for single use and cant be re-wired. Green is normally used for earth connection in US and Canada. But can we use green on a mulit-wire cable. National deviations to IEC 60601-1 claims; A PROTECTIVE EARTH CONDUCTOR or a PROTECTIVE EARTH CONNECTION or insulation shall be identified by either green or green and yellow colour. Colours of neutral and POWER SUPPLY CORD conductors shall be in accordance with the Canadian Electrical Code (CEC), Part I, CSA C22.2 No. 21, and CSA C22.2 No. 49. Can we use green on a mulit-wire cable? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Green multi conductor wire
In message 009401cca9cf$b3f87230$1be95690$@dk, dated Wed, 23 Nov 2011, Kim Boll Jensen k...@bolls.dk writes: Can we use green on a mulit-wire cable? Yes, for the *sheath* (outer layer of insulation). -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Some people who are peeling the finch of the financial crisis are thinking of biting a rook. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Training Delivery in the EU
Thanks for all the responses! Very much appreciated! Doug Nix d...@mac.com The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read these books. Mark Twain On 2011-11-23, at 00:30 , John Woodgate wrote: It seems to me that it is a reasonable way to do it. You almost certainly won't get explicit rulings on things like this in standards or regulations, so we are down to consider what the putative 'reasonable person' of the courtroom would decide. Knowing translators, I recommend that you get the script translated by a qualified professional *technical* translator, and make sure that the live interpreter doesn't deviate too far from it without explaining why. Languages change over quite short times, for example, and the translator may produce a translation in 1950s language, which would sound odd now. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Industrial Panel Shop for UL
John, You can start with EN 61439-1:2011 - Low-voltage switchgear and controlgear assemblies - Part 1: General rules. Years ago, we VDE-Certified a non-North American circuit-breaker panel using EN 60439-1, the above standard's predecessor. Hope this helps, DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY _ From: jral...@productsafetyinc.com [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Industrial Panel Shop for UL Hi, Has anyone worked with Industrial Panel shops for CE? UL508A is for Panel Shops in the USA. Is EN60204 the equivalent for the EU? Thanks, John Allen Product Safety Consulting, Inc. 605 Country Club Drive, Suites I J Bensenville, IL 60106 P - 630 238-0188 / F - 630 238-0269 1-877-804-3066 mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com jral...@productsafetyinc.com http://www.productsafetyinc.com http://www.productsafetyinc.com/ Although PSC maintains the highest level of virus protection, this e-mail and any attachments should be scanned by your virus protection software. It is the responsibility of the recipient to check that it is virus free. PSC does not accept any responsibility for data loss or systems damage arising in any way from its use. This message is confidential and intended only for the individual to whom or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or addressee, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying, in whole or part, of this message is strictly prohibited. If you believe that you have been sent this message in error, please do not read it. Please immediately reply to sender that you have received this message in error. Then permanently delete all copies of the message. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Green multi conductor wire
The USA agrees with the UK. Best regards, Richard Nute Vancouver, Washington, U.S.A. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Green multi conductor wire In message 009401cca9cf$b3f87230$1be95690$@dk, dated Wed, 23 Nov 2011, Kim Boll Jensen k...@bolls.dk writes: Can we use green on a mulit-wire cable? Yes, for the *sheath* (outer layer of insulation). -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Some people who are peeling the finch of the financial crisis are thinking of biting a rook. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Training Delivery in the EU
Doug, et al, A lot of good comments were made on this topic. I have done a number of CE marking jobs for equipment bound for Turkey. Remember that Turkey is still an EU 'wannabee' country; implementation of EU requirements seems to be a work in progress. I have found that the local feedback on meeting the requirements varies all over the place; mostly a not too strict an interpretation of implementing the requirements. Meeting the customer expectations should be, in my opinion, the most important goal. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Regulatory Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Green multi conductor wire
In message 3FE6A3972FF74EFB8A9B276E7DF1A3F8@RichardHPdv6, dated Wed, 23 Nov 2011, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: The USA agrees with the UK. How unexciting.(;-) No international incident to enliven the day. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Some people who are peeling the finch of the financial crisis are thinking of biting a rook. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
