[PSES] Canada/IC Import Restrictions Compared to US/FCC
Hello All- I am looking for information regarding any import restrictions Canada/IC may have that are similar to the US/FCC rules from Part 2. Specifically the importation of devices that are not fully tested or certified but will not be offered for sale (ex: fill the local warehouse in preparation of distribution and sale). In the US FCC Part 2 allows importation of 4000 units prior to equipment authorization, just wondering if Canada/IC have a similar law on the books. Thanks Ian Schroeder - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
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[PSES] Fixed Installation vs Apparatus
Hi group, At which point could you define a piece of machinery a fixed Installation? What are the differences in reference to EMC testing? It looks to me that regardless of a piece of machinery being considered an apparatus or a fixed installation, it still has to be tested to comply with EMC requirements. Thanks Dieter Paasche - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Fixed Installation vs Apparatus
In message 99532047d6a52847ab271f822ae9efdcacc10...@cktexmb01.cds.int, dated Wed, 10 Jul 2013, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com writes: At which point could you define a piece of machinery a fixed Installation? What are the differences in reference to EMC testing? It looks to me that regardless of a piece of machinery being considered an apparatus or a fixed installation, it still has to be tested to comply with EMC requirements. The Directive and the Guide make it quite reasonably clear about the difference between a product (one of a kind) and a fixed installation (something unique). -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why is the stapler always empty just when you want it? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Fixed Installation vs Apparatus
Hi , I have the feeling I am still in the grey area, mainly in the definition of what is a mobile system. Also, the guidelines mentions in section 1.3.1 (4th Paragraph) that Large machines, in the usual sense of this term, are normally apparatus and have to be treated as such. In my opinion, if the machine has its own control panel and can operate its function independently, then it is to be considered as an apparatus. Am I wrong? It looks however from John's comments that a machine is a fixed installation, if it is custom made and there will never be another machine like that in another place. So, if I have two of the same machines in different locations, then they are not fixed installation. Is that correct? In any case, apparatus and fixed installation reference Article 5, so strictly speaking from the testing point of view, both have to be tested for EMC. Is that correct? Thanks Dieter Paasche From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@complianceinsight.ca] Sent: July 10, 2013 2:37 PM To: Paasche, Dieter Subject: Re: [PSES] Fixed Installation vs Apparatus Dieter, Have a look at the attached Guidance document from the EC. On page 15, Section 1.1.5 and flowchart 2 show how to determine whether the equipment is apparatus or a fixed installation. Regards, Doug NIX, C.E.T. Compliance InSight Consulting Inc. Know Risk... Design Safety Office: +1 (519) 650-4753 Mobile: +1 (519) 729-5704 Skype: cic-inc email: d...@complianceinsight.camailto:d...@complianceinsight.ca Want to meet?http://doodle.com/DougNix On 10-July-2013, at 14:22, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.commailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Hi group, At which point could you define a piece of machinery a fixed Installation? What are the differences in reference to EMC testing? It looks to me that regardless of a piece of machinery being considered an apparatus or a fixed installation, it still has to be tested to comply with EMC requirements. Thanks Dieter Paasche - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Fixed Installation vs Apparatus
Dieter, IMO, the key words are ...intended to be used permanently at a predefined location. If the machine could be purchased by any customer and used in any location, even if it's a one-off, then it is apparatus under the definitions in the directive. If it can only be installed in one location and is designed specifically for that location and application, then it would be a fixed installation under the definition. Based on my knowledge of your company's products, I don't think anything you normally build would meet the definition for a fixed installation. I am available to discuss on the phone if you want to chat about it. Regards, Doug NIX, C.E.T. Compliance InSight Consulting Inc. Know Risk... Design Safety Office: +1 (519) 650-4753 Mobile: +1 (519) 729-5704 Skype: cic-inc email: d...@complianceinsight.ca Want to meet? On 10-July-2013, at 16:49, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Hi , I have the feeling I am still in the grey area, mainly in the definition of what is a mobile system. Also, the guidelines mentions in section 1.3.1 (4th Paragraph) that “Large machines, in the usual sense of this term, are normally apparatus and have to be treated as such.” In my opinion, if the machine has its own control panel and can operate its function independently, then it is to be considered as an apparatus. Am I wrong? It looks however from John’s comments that a machine is a fixed installation, if it is custom made and there will never be another machine like that in another place. So, if I have two of the same machines in different locations, then they are not fixed installation. Is that correct? In any case, apparatus and fixed installation reference Article 5, so strictly speaking from the testing point of view, both have to be tested for EMC. Is that correct? Thanks Dieter Paasche From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@complianceinsight.ca] Sent: July 10, 2013 2:37 PM To: Paasche, Dieter Subject: Re: [PSES] Fixed Installation vs Apparatus Dieter, Have a look at the attached Guidance document from the EC. On page 15, Section 1.1.5 and flowchart 2 show how to determine whether the equipment is apparatus or a fixed installation. Regards, Doug NIX, C.E.T. Compliance InSight Consulting Inc. Know Risk... Design Safety Office: +1 (519) 650-4753 Mobile: +1 (519) 729-5704 Skype: cic-inc email: d...@complianceinsight.ca Want to meet? On 10-July-2013, at 14:22, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Hi group, At which point could you define a piece of machinery a fixed Installation? What are the differences in reference to EMC testing? It looks to me that regardless of a piece of machinery being considered an apparatus or a fixed installation, it still has to be tested to comply with EMC requirements. Thanks Dieter Paasche - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All
[PSES] Keytek PK1001D diff probe
All, Does anyone happen to know where I can find a specificaiton or data sheet for the Keytek PK1001D 6kV differential probe that includes the input impedance? I thought this would be easy but it's turning into a challenge. Thanks, -doug - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
