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Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread John Allen

When we comb through the Directives it always says "manufacturer or authorised 
representative"




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From: Kunde, Brian 
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:19 PM
To: John Allen; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Authorised Representative


John,



In reference to what?  The name and address displayed on the EE?, the 
responsible party within the EU?, information appearing on the DoC?



I've always understood that an Authorized Representative within the EU was 
required for manufacturers outside the EU; and I thought this was a 
requirements for most all Directives (I'm not familiar with all of them).



The Other Brian



From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:32 PM
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Subject: [PSES] Authorised Representative



Hi,



I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
manufacturer "or" authorised representative.



If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.

Thanks,



John







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Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread Nick Williams

The requirement for the techical documentation to be kept on EU soil was never 
enforceable in practice and has been removed from the directives re-issued 
under the New Legislative Framework. 

The appointment of an Authorised Representative is optional for all directives 
except for the ones which deal with medical devices. 

The Machinery Directive (and the new Marine Equipment Directive, which is not a 
CE marking directive) requires there to be someone who can act as a delivery 
point for the technical file who is resident in Europe. This is not the same 
role as that of an Authorised Representative. 

Nick. 

> On 1 Nov 2016, at 21:40, Nyffenegger, Dave  
> wrote:
> 
> I recall the authorized representative is optional for MD and LDV with 
> respect to who is responsible for placing product into market, either 
> manufacturer or authorized representative.  However, the party responsible 
> for the technical file must be resident inside the EU.  If the manufacturer 
> is not resident inside the EU then there must be an authorized representative 
> who is and identified on the DoC/DoI.
>  
> -Dave 
>  
> From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:20 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> Subject: Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative
>  
> John,
>  
> In reference to what?  The name and address displayed on the EE?, the 
> responsible party within the EU?, information appearing on the DoC?
>  
> I’ve always understood that an Authorized Representative within the EU was 
> required for manufacturers outside the EU; and I thought this was a 
> requirements for most all Directives (I’m not familiar with all of them).
>  
> The Other Brian
>  
> From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> Subject: [PSES] Authorised Representative
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
> option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
> manufacturer "or" authorised representative.
>  
> If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.
> 
> Thanks,
>  
> John
>  
>  
>  

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Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread Charlie Blackham

John

Annex II of the machinery directive requires

The EC declaration of conformity must contain the following particulars:
1. ...
2. name and address of the person authorised to compile the technical file, who 
must be established in the Community;
3. .

That may or may not be the manufacturer, but they must be in the EU. That's not 
the same thing as an "authorised representative" which is optional for the 
Machinery (and many other) Directive(s).

Regards
Charlie

From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com]
Sent: 01 November 2016 19:32
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Authorised Representative


Hi,



I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
manufacturer "or" authorised representative.



If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.

Thanks,



John







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Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread John Allen

Hi Charlie,


I missed that in Annex II.  Thank you!!


John


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From: Charlie Blackham 
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 4:40 PM
To: John Allen; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Authorised Representative


John



Annex II of the machinery directive requires



The EC declaration of conformity must contain the following particulars:

1. ...

2. name and address of the person authorised to compile the technical file, who 
must be established in the Community;

3. .



That may or may not be the manufacturer, but they must be in the EU. That's not 
the same thing as an "authorised representative" which is optional for the 
Machinery (and many other) Directive(s).



Regards

Charlie



From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com]
Sent: 01 November 2016 19:32
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Authorised Representative



Hi,



I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
manufacturer "or" authorised representative.



If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.

Thanks,



John







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Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave

I recall the authorized representative is optional for MD and LDV with respect 
to who is responsible for placing product into market, either manufacturer or 
authorized representative.  However, the party responsible for the technical 
file must be resident inside the EU.  If the manufacturer is not resident 
inside the EU then there must be an authorized representative who is and 
identified on the DoC/DoI.

-Dave

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

John,

In reference to what?  The name and address displayed on the EE?, the 
responsible party within the EU?, information appearing on the DoC?

I've always understood that an Authorized Representative within the EU was 
required for manufacturers outside the EU; and I thought this was a 
requirements for most all Directives (I'm not familiar with all of them).

The Other Brian

From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Authorised Representative


Hi,



I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
manufacturer "or" authorised representative.



If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.

Thanks,



John







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Re: [PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread Kunde, Brian

John,

In reference to what?  The name and address displayed on the EE?, the 
responsible party within the EU?, information appearing on the DoC?

I've always understood that an Authorized Representative within the EU was 
required for manufacturers outside the EU; and I thought this was a 
requirements for most all Directives (I'm not familiar with all of them).

The Other Brian

From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Authorised Representative


Hi,



I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
manufacturer "or" authorised representative.



If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.

Thanks,



John







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[PSES] Authorised Representative

2016-11-01 Thread John Allen

Hi,


I always thought an Authorized Representative was required for Machinery but 
option for other Directives.  I searched Machinery and LVD and only see 
manufacturer "or" authorised representative.


If I'm wrong please point me to the particular section of the Directive.

Thanks,


John




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