Re: [PSES] Resource for info on cities which require field labeling/certification?

2018-10-18 Thread Ronald R. Wellman 
Having done field labelling and listings for an NRTL, I would ask your
Customer what they need. It could be an internal company requirement for
NRTL listing or field labelling. Not necessarily the local jurisdiction
requiring it. However, if you really want to know what is locally required,
call the local electrical inspection department and ask them. 

 

Ron Wellman 

 

From: Kevin Robinson  
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 6:26 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Resource for info on cities which require field
labeling/certification?

 

Lauren, 

 

If the product is NRTL certified, there should be no need to have the
product Field labeled.  If it is an electrical product used in the
workplace, you almost certainly need to have the product NRTL certified as
that is a Federal requirement (there are alternatives to NRTL certification,
but they apply only to custom made equipment and equipment that no NRTL can
certify.  

 

Kevin Robinson

 

Kevin

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From: Lauren Crane mailto:lauren.cr...@us.tel.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:15:10 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] Resource for info on cities which require field
labeling/certification? 

 

Hello All, 

 

I am looking for a consolidated resource indicating which US cities/states
require "field certification" (a.k.a. "field labeling") for industrial
machinery (e.g., to NFPA 79 / UL 1010). Some cities have this information
prominently on websites, others do not. 

 

I am particularly interested in the city of Albuquerque, but so far, no
luck. 

 

Regards, 

Lauren Crane

Tokyo Electron

 

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Re: [PSES] Resource for info on cities which require field labeling/certification?

2018-10-18 Thread Kevin Robinson 
Lauren,

If the product is NRTL certified, there should be no need to have the product 
Field labeled.  If it is an electrical product used in the workplace, you 
almost certainly need to have the product NRTL certified as that is a Federal 
requirement (there are alternatives to NRTL certification, but they apply only 
to custom made equipment and equipment that no NRTL can certify.

Kevin Robinson

Kevin

From: Lauren Crane 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:15:10 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Resource for info on cities which require field 
labeling/certification?

Hello All,

I am looking for a consolidated resource indicating which US cities/states 
require “field certification” (a.k.a. “field labeling”) for industrial 
machinery (e.g., to NFPA 79 / UL 1010). Some cities have this information 
prominently on websites, others do not.

I am particularly interested in the city of Albuquerque, but so far, no luck.

Regards,
Lauren Crane
Tokyo Electron

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Re: [PSES] safety standards--outdoor electric machine

2018-10-18 Thread Peter Tarver 
Hi, Chet.

I don’t know if you’re planning to use UL for as an NRTL, but I found the 
following.

I searched UL’s on-line certifications data base on the keyword conveyor. That 
led to several pages of certifications under a few product categories. The best 
match (in concept) was UL’s product category for Conveyors. Unfortunately, the 
UL Guide Card for this product category  explicitly states that it only covers 
equipment for use “within a building structure.“ While UL 73 does contain 
outdoor equipment requirements, this one product category that uses UL 73 
doesn’t allow certifications for outdoor use.

If you are planning to use UL, they can be convinced to create an outdoor 
conveyor category, since UL 73 does include outdoor equipment requirements. 
This process takes some time to accomplish and might not be completed before 
you’re ready to ship safety certified product.

Another option could be to use Outline of Investigation for Factory Automation 
Equipment, UL Subject 2011. Even though this Outline doesn’t explicitly include 
outdoor equipment requirements, it might fit the bill. (2011 does reference 
other standards that do have outdoor equipment requirements, so it’s a short 
leap to including the in the certification.) The product category for Factory 
Automation Equipment doesn’t limit the applications to indoor use. Subject 2011 
is used in conjunction with NFPA 79.


Regards,

Peter Tarver

From: Chester Summers 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 10:21
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] safety standards--outdoor electric machine

Hi, Doug—

Many thanks for the advice, and for the conveyor pub.  The guarding figures and 
accompanying rationale are really well done.  I’m quickly learning that 
conveyor systems in general are rather complex beasties concerning machinery 
safety!

Best regards,
Chet Summers


From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@ieee.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:33 PM
To: Chester Summers 
Cc: IEEE EMC PSTC 
Subject: Re: [PSES] safety standards--outdoor electric machine

Hi Chet,

I don’t have any opinion as to UL 73, as I am not familiar with that standard, 
sorry. I just wanted to be sure that the mechanical safety aspects were not 
forgotten.

There are some excellent ISO standards that you might also find useful, 
although they are aimed at a broader audience than “just” North America. Also, 
you might be interested in this conveyor safety guide produced by IRRST. 
Excellent stuff. English translation by the WSPS in Ontario, Canada.

http://www.wsps.ca/WSPS/media/Site/Resources/Downloads/User-Guide-to-Conveyor-Belt-Safety.pdf?ext=.pdf

Doug Nix
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On 16-Oct-18, at 16:17, Chester Summers 
mailto:csummers@CHARLESMACHINE.WORKS>> wrote:

Hi, Doug—
Yes, ASME B20.1 applies and certain aspects of it were included in the initial 
risk assessment.

What’s your opinion as far as UL-73 is concerned?

Chet

From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@ieee.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 1:38 PM
To: Chester Summers 
mailto:csummers@charlesmachine.works>>
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mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>>
Subject: Re: [PSES] safety standards--outdoor electric machine

Hi Chester,

Don’t forget that this kind of equipment should conform to ASME B20.1, Safety 
Standard for Conveyors and Related Equipment.

Doug Nix
d...@ieee.org
+1 (519) 729-5704


On 16-Oct-18, at 12:03, Chester Summers 
mailto:csummers@CHARLESMACHINE.WORKS>> wrote:

Hello, listmates—

I’m scoping North American electrical safety standards for an a.c. mains 
powered, portable conveyor system to support an outdoor construction process.  
Used to assist in handling pipe lining fabric at the jobsite.  The motor will 
likely be no greater than ¾ HP single phase, 120Vac/60Hz.  VFD motor speed 
controller to manage the short conveyor belt (approximately 6ft long).  There 
are no product specific standards for this type of equipment, however UL-73 for 
Motor Operated Appliances appears to check all the appropriate electrical 
safety boxes.  Conveyor-specific safety will be addressed with ASME B20.1.

I welcome expert opinions from the group—is UL-73 sufficient to evaluate this 
product?

Many thanks in advance,
Chet Summers


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[PSES] Job opening - Product Safety Compliance Engineer

2018-10-18 Thread Lauren Crane 
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[PSES] Resource for info on cities which require field labeling/certification?

2018-10-18 Thread Lauren Crane 
Hello All,

I am looking for a consolidated resource indicating which US cities/states 
require "field certification" (a.k.a. "field labeling") for industrial 
machinery (e.g., to NFPA 79 / UL 1010). Some cities have this information 
prominently on websites, others do not.

I am particularly interested in the city of Albuquerque, but so far, no luck.

Regards,
Lauren Crane
Tokyo Electron


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