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Re: [PSES] OATS installation

2021-03-10 Thread Manny Barron

On second thought EMC consultant Ghery Pettit is an excellent better
starting point.

https://pettitemcconsulting.com/

Ghery has been directly involved with the design and build of several EMC
test sites including a 30 meter OATS.

Regards,

Manny



On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:11 AM Manny Barron  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> ETS-Lindgren is a good starting point:
> http://www.ets-lindgren.com/
>
> Also here's an interesting helpful article:
>
> https://incompliancemag.com/article/lessons-learned-from-the-design-and-construction-of-an-open-area-test-site-oats-and-sound-measurement-building/
>
> There are important factors and challenges to consider when building an
> OATS.  Do some Google-ing, you can learn a lot from web searching.
>
> Regards,
>
> Manny Barron
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:50 AM Stultz, Mark <
> 0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> In an effort to get more accurate pre-compliance measurements, we’re
>> looking into building an OATS setup.  Does anyone know of any companies in
>> the US that will install/build one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mark Stultz*
>>
>> 10175 Philipp Parkway
>> 
>>
>> Senior Mechanical Development Engineer
>>
>> Streetsboro, OH 44241
>>
>> CMSE® – Certified Machinery Safety Expert (TÜV NORD)
>>
>> 330-342-2402
>>
>> Automated Packaging Systems
>>
>>
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Re: [PSES] FW: Testing to IEC 60601-1-2-2014 + A1-2020

2021-03-10 Thread T.Sato

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:03:43 +,
  David Shidlovsky  wrote:

> Any opinions as to when testing conducted and radiated missions of a medical 
> device being tested to IEC 60601-1-2 can be performed to CISPR 14-1 or CISPR 
> 32 instead of CISPR 11?
> Would it be more appropriate to test a medical device used in home health 
> care environment using CISPR 14-1 instead of CISPR 11 since CISPR 14-1 is 
> four household devices?
> Any ideas as to when testing using CISPR 32 instead of CISPR 11 is 
> appropriate. Many modern medical devices/systems incorporate multimedia 
> devices (some of which have not been tested to CISPR 32).

CISPR 14-1 is applicable to ME EQUIPMENT whose main functions are performed
by motors and switching or regulating devices. Examples include motor-driven
electromedical apparatus such as simple dental drills and simple operation
tables. (see clause 7.1.7)

CISPR 32 is applicable to multimedia equipment connected to ME EQUIPMENT and
ME SYSTEMS. (see clause 7.1.3)
For example, personal computer, external LCD mointor, video recorder,
network equipments which comply with CISPR 32 may be connected to
me equipment without re-testing them with CISPR 11.

Regards,
Tom

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Re: [PSES] OATS installation

2021-03-10 Thread Manny Barron

Hi Mark,

ETS-Lindgren is a good starting point:
http://www.ets-lindgren.com/

Also here's an interesting helpful article:
https://incompliancemag.com/article/lessons-learned-from-the-design-and-construction-of-an-open-area-test-site-oats-and-sound-measurement-building/

There are important factors and challenges to consider when building an
OATS.  Do some Google-ing, you can learn a lot from web searching.

Regards,

Manny Barron



On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:50 AM Stultz, Mark <
0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In an effort to get more accurate pre-compliance measurements, we’re
> looking into building an OATS setup.  Does anyone know of any companies in
> the US that will install/build one?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mark Stultz*
>
> 10175 Philipp Parkway
> 
>
> Senior Mechanical Development Engineer
>
> Streetsboro, OH 44241
>
> CMSE® – Certified Machinery Safety Expert (TÜV NORD)
>
> 330-342-2402
>
> Automated Packaging Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> autobag.com 
>
> SealedAir.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PSES] OATS installation

2021-03-10 Thread Wiseman, Joshua

Last time I did this was 20 yrs ago. At the time the company I was with 
partnered with a smaller EMC lab who consulted with us and helped with the NSA 
measurements. We ended up sharing a set of dipole antennas through the 
arrangement.

Josh

Joshua Wiseman
Systems Engineering
Staff Engineer, Product Safety/EMC
Ortho Clinical Diagnostics

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:59 AM
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Hi Mark,

Been a couple decades (at least) since I looked into this but ETS-Lindgren 
might be one company to look at.

Dan


From: Stultz, Mark [mailto:0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:50 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] OATS installation

Hello,
In an effort to get more accurate pre-compliance measurements, we're looking 
into building an OATS setup.  Does anyone know of any companies in the US that 
will install/build one?

Thanks,




Mark Stultz
10175 Philipp Parkway
Senior Mechanical Development Engineer
Streetsboro, OH 44241
CMSE® - Certified Machinery Safety Expert (TÜV NORD)
330-342-2402
Automated Packaging Systems



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Re: [PSES] OATS installation

2021-03-10 Thread Dan Roman

Hi Mark,

 

Been a couple decades (at least) since I looked into this but ETS-Lindgren
might be one company to look at.

 

Dan

 

 

From: Stultz, Mark [mailto:0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org]

Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:50 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] OATS installation

 

Hello,

In an effort to get more accurate pre-compliance measurements, were looking
into building an OATS setup.  Does anyone know of any companies in the US
that will install/build one?

 

Thanks,

 

 


 

 


Mark Stultz

10175 Philipp Parkway


Senior Mechanical Development Engineer

Streetsboro, OH 44241


CMSE®  Certified Machinery Safety Expert (TÜV NORD)

330-342-2402


Automated Packaging Systems

 


 

 




 

 


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[PSES] OATS installation

2021-03-10 Thread Stultz, Mark

Hello,
In an effort to get more accurate pre-compliance measurements, we're looking 
into building an OATS setup.  Does anyone know of any companies in the US that 
will install/build one?

Thanks,




Mark Stultz
10175 Philipp Parkway
Senior Mechanical Development Engineer
Streetsboro, OH 44241
CMSE® - Certified Machinery Safety Expert (TÜV NORD)
330-342-2402
Automated Packaging Systems



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Re: [PSES] ESD Failure per EN 301 489-1 vs EN 55035

2021-03-10 Thread Charlie Blackham

David

There's further guidance on the application of performance criteria to radio 
and non-radio function in ETSI EN 303 446-1 V1.2.1, 
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/303400_303499/30344601/01.02.01_60/en_30344601v010201p.pdf

Best regards
Charlie

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From: Dürrer Bernd 
Sent: 10 March 2021 09:07
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] AW: ESD Failure per EN 301 489-1 vs EN 55035

Hi David,

I understand that only non-radio functions are affected by ESD testing, but 
that you deem this acceptable according to the non-radio product immunity 
requirements of EN 55035. The introduction of EN 301 489-1 states: "When it is 
required to evaluate the EMC performance of "combined radio and non-radio 
equipment", ETSI EG 203 367 [i.3] provides guidance upon the application of the 
various harmonised standards, including the present document, that could 
potentially apply to such equipment." Clause 5.1.2.3.1 of ETSI EG 203 367 
V1.1.1 defines: "When assessing the immunity of the non-radio function of the 
combined equipment, the performance criteria from the relevant harmonised EMC 
standard should be used. In most cases these will be contained within the 
harmonized standard that the non-radio part of the combined equipment would 
have found itself falling under." Based on this guidance, the behaviour 
described may be deemed acceptable, if the radio function is not affected by 
ESD.

Kind regards,

Bernd

Von: David Shidlovsky mailto:dav...@itlglobal.org>>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2021 08:02
An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Betreff: [PSES] FW: ESD Failure per EN 301 489-1 vs EN 55035

Hello all,

  1.  One of our customers manufactures coffee printers.
  2.  Recently the customer has manufactured a new model to which he has added 
a CE approved radio 2.4 GHz module.
  3.  Since the coffee printer is not equivalent to the host used for the 
initial assessment of the module, according to ETSI EG 203 367 V1.1.1 
(2016-06), the printer needs to be fully tested for both EN 301 489-1;-17 and 
the relevant EMCD standards.
  4.  The radio transmission is used to send information via Wi-Fi to the 
printer and the printer starts printing after receiving the information. The 
TX/RX do not operate at the same time as the printing.
  5.  According to EN 301 489-1 Clause 6.2:
 *   The application of the transient phenomena shall not result in a 
change of the mode of operation (e.g. unintended transmission) or the loss of 
critical stored data.
 *   After application of the transient phenomena, the equipment shall 
operate as intended.
  6.  During ESD testing, the printer stopped printing and the customer had to 
press a button on the control panel to continue printing. TX/Rx was not 
interrupted.
  7.  For EN 55035 the pressing of the button to continue the print job is OK 
in our opinion.
  8.  Is the stopping of the print job considered "the equipment shall operate 
as intended" according clause 6.2 of EN 301 489-1?
  9.  There is some internal some disagreement concerning this issue.
  10. I would appreciate any opinions.
Thanks in advance for any responses.

Best Regards,
David Shidlowsky
Technical Reviewer
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[PSES] AW: ESD Failure per EN 301 489-1 vs EN 55035

2021-03-10 Thread Dürrer Bernd

Hi David,

I understand that only non-radio functions are affected by ESD testing, but 
that you deem this acceptable according to the non-radio product immunity 
requirements of EN 55035. The introduction of EN 301 489-1 states: "When it is 
required to evaluate the EMC performance of "combined radio and non-radio 
equipment", ETSI EG 203 367 [i.3] provides guidance upon the application of the 
various harmonised standards, including the present document, that could 
potentially apply to such equipment." Clause 5.1.2.3.1 of ETSI EG 203 367 
V1.1.1 defines: "When assessing the immunity of the non-radio function of the 
combined equipment, the performance criteria from the relevant harmonised EMC 
standard should be used. In most cases these will be contained within the 
harmonized standard that the non-radio part of the combined equipment would 
have found itself falling under." Based on this guidance, the behaviour 
described may be deemed acceptable, if the radio function is not affected by 
ESD.

Kind regards,

Bernd

Von: David Shidlovsky 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2021 08:02
An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Betreff: [PSES] FW: ESD Failure per EN 301 489-1 vs EN 55035

Hello all,

  1.  One of our customers manufactures coffee printers.
  2.  Recently the customer has manufactured a new model to which he has added 
a CE approved radio 2.4 GHz module.
  3.  Since the coffee printer is not equivalent to the host used for the 
initial assessment of the module, according to ETSI EG 203 367 V1.1.1 
(2016-06), the printer needs to be fully tested for both EN 301 489-1;-17 and 
the relevant EMCD standards.
  4.  The radio transmission is used to send information via Wi-Fi to the 
printer and the printer starts printing after receiving the information. The 
TX/RX do not operate at the same time as the printing.
  5.  According to EN 301 489-1 Clause 6.2:
 *   The application of the transient phenomena shall not result in a 
change of the mode of operation (e.g. unintended transmission) or the loss of 
critical stored data.
 *   After application of the transient phenomena, the equipment shall 
operate as intended.
  6.  During ESD testing, the printer stopped printing and the customer had to 
press a button on the control panel to continue printing. TX/Rx was not 
interrupted.
  7.  For EN 55035 the pressing of the button to continue the print job is OK 
in our opinion.
  8.  Is the stopping of the print job considered "the equipment shall operate 
as intended" according clause 6.2 of EN 301 489-1?
  9.  There is some internal some disagreement concerning this issue.
  10. I would appreciate any opinions.
Thanks in advance for any responses.

Best Regards,
David Shidlowsky
Technical Reviewer
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Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 6117, LOD7120101   Israel
Tel: 972-8-9186100 Ext. 213 Direct: 972-8-9186113   Fax: 972-8-9153101
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