Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

2023-06-10 Thread John Woodgate 
I don't think that the original suggestion was serious. But a chatbot 
trained only on standards from one SMB could probably do quite a good 
job, apart from assigning numbers to specifications.


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On 2023-06-10 14:44, Vincent Lee wrote:

Hi all,

ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes.
It can only give very general results, then it is the job of product 
safety professionals to add the missing details.


In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for 
product safety which is a highly specialized engineering field.
In my view, ChatGPT is a toy to ask for very general questions. It 
cannot replace product safety professionals. Moreover, who is going to 
be responsible if a product fails and causes harms to users when one 
used the test plan generated by ChatGPT ?


Regards, Vincent


On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell 
 wrote:



Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've 
tried a few things myself.  For example, "/write a complete test 
protocol for IEC 62368-1 for a desktop audio streaming amplifier 
weighing less than 7 kg./"


Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete 
responses under these topic headings.


1. Objective:
2. Test Equipment:
3. Test Setup:
4. Test Procedures:
4.1.2. Lifting Test:
4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test:
4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test:
4.2.3. Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test:
4.3.1. Audio Performance Test:
4.3.2. Power Consumption Test:
4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable):
5. Test Criteria:
6. ... /after this point it was left blank .../


In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force 
of 200 N in the upward direction"


-Doug


Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
LinkedIn 

(UTC -06:00, US-MDT)


On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell 
 wrote:


Friday’s attempt at humor…

So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the
standard draft?

Chuck in Berkeley

*From:*Vincent Lee <08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO
standards for safety

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Huff,

No national nor international is available yet.

AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.

And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were
AI winter in 1980s - 1990s.

Regards, Vincent

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff
 wrote:

All,

I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence
and machine vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and
I am looking for ISO or IEC standards or similar related
guidance.  My theory is that this is such new territory very
little guidance exists yet.  Are there any recommendations for
international guidance.

Thanks,

David

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[PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

2023-06-10 Thread Vincent Lee 
Hi all,
ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes.It can only 
give very general results, then it is the job of product safety professionals 
to add the missing details.
In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for product 
safety which is a highly specialized engineering field.In my view, ChatGPT is a 
toy to ask for very general questions. It cannot replace product safety 
professionals. Moreover, who is going to be responsible if a product fails and 
causes harms to users when one used the test plan generated by ChatGPT ?
Regards, Vincent 

On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell 
 wrote:  
 
 Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've tried a few 
things myself.  For example, "write a complete test protocol for IEC 62368-1 
for a desktop audio streaming amplifier weighing less than 7 kg." 
Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete responses under 
these topic headings.  

1. Objective:2. Test Equipment:3. Test Setup:4. Test Procedures:4.1.2. Lifting 
Test:4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test:4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test:4.2.3. 
Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test:4.3.1. Audio Performance Test:4.3.2. Power 
Consumption Test:4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable):5. Test Criteria:6. 
... after this point it was left blank ...

In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force of 200 N 
in the upward direction"
-Doug

Douglas E PowellLaporte, Colorado USALinkedIn

(UTC -06:00, US-MDT)


On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell  
wrote:


Friday’s attempt at humor…

So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the standard draft?

 

 

Chuck in Berkeley

 

From: Vincent Lee <08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety

 

[THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]

Huff,

 

No national nor international is available yet.

 

AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.

And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were AI winter in 
1980s - 1990s.

 

Regards, Vincent

 

 

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff  
wrote:

 

 

All,

I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence and machine 
vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and I am looking for ISO or 
IEC standards or similar related guidance.  My theory is that this is such new 
territory very little guidance exists yet.  Are there any recommendations for 
international guidance.

 

Thanks,

David

 

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