Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

Sat, 10 Jun 2023 07:47:07 -0700

I don't think that the original suggestion was serious. But a chatbot trained only on standards from one SMB could probably do quite a good job, apart from assigning numbers to specifications. 

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On 2023-06-10 14:44, Vincent Lee wrote:

Hi all,

ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes.
It can only give very general results, then it is the job of product safety professionals to add the missing details.
In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for product safety which is a highly specialized engineering field. In my view, ChatGPT is a toy to ask for very general questions. It cannot replace product safety professionals. Moreover, who is going to be responsible if a product fails and causes harms to users when one used the test plan generated by ChatGPT ? 

Regards, Vincent
On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've tried a few things myself.  For example, "/write a complete test protocol for IEC 62368-1 for a desktop audio streaming amplifier weighing less than 7 kg./"
Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete responses under these topic headings. 

    1. Objective:
    2. Test Equipment:
    3. Test Setup:
    4. Test Procedures:
    4.1.2. Lifting Test:
    4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test:
    4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test:
    4.2.3. Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test:
    4.3.1. Audio Performance Test:
    4.3.2. Power Consumption Test:
    4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable):
    5. Test Criteria:
    6. ... /after this point it was left blank .../
In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force of 200 N in the upward direction" 

-Doug


Douglas E Powell
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On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell <chu...@meyersound.com> wrote: 

    Friday’s attempt at humor…

    So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the
    standard draft?

    Chuck in Berkeley

    *From:*Vincent Lee <000008e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
    *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM
    *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
    *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO
    standards for safety

    [THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]

    Huff,

    No national nor international is available yet.

    AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.

    And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were
    AI winter in 1980s - 1990s.

    Regards, Vincent

    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff
    <dh...@vermeer.com> wrote:

    All,

    I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence
    and machine vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and
    I am looking for ISO or IEC standards or similar related
    guidance.  My theory is that this is such new territory very
    little guidance exists yet.  Are there any recommendations for
    international guidance.

    Thanks,

    David

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