Re: RTTE Directive
John, A few years ago, the European Commission has determined that there is no need for technical requirements against which to assess wired telecommunication products. Further work on the technical basis for regulation (TBRs) has been suspended and many CTRs (CTR 21 included) have been removed from the list of harmonized standards under the RTTE Directive. The only requirements deemed essential for wired telecommunication apparatus are the safety and EMC requirements. John Radomski Clare Inc. John Juhasz jjuhasz@Fiberoptions.To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org com cc: Sent by: Subject: RTTE Directive owner-emc-pstc@majordo mo.ieee.org 05/08/02 10:46 AM Please respond to John Juhasz Having been out of the telecom arena for a few years, I am seeking some clarification on the RTTE Directive as it relates to a single-line, simple, analog POTS unit. With regard to specific testing of the telephone interface, the way I am reading the directive and associated guidance documents on Europa.EU http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/gener.htm it appears that it is not required to test the interface itself to 'telecom specs' such as those in the CTR21. Testing to those specs is recommended only to ensure that the product works properly when connected to the PSTN and it doesn't harm the network. Am I misunderstanding this? GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Product Qualification Compliance Engr. Fiber Options Div. 80 Orville Dr. Suite 102, Bohemia, NY 11716 631-419-2324, Fax: 631-567-8322 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question
Kevin, Here is my interpretation: since the requirements of the EMC Directive are integral part of the essential requirements under the RTTE Directive, a single declaration to the RTTE Directive should be sufficient. But if the scope of the RTTE Directive regarding your product is not completely clear or you feel that your product may be regarded as failing under either directive, depending on its various application, you may choose to declare conformity under both directives (dual declaration). John Radomski Clare Kevin Harris harr...@dscltd.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordom Subject: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question o.ieee.org 03/06/02 12:27 PM Please respond to Kevin Harris Hello, I just had an interesting conversation with the head of a approvals authority for a country in Europe for our type of products. The discussion centred around DoCs for the RTTE directive. His claim was since I had a product that has a RTTE element to it then I just make a declaration to the RTTE directive and not to the EMC directive. To support his claim he refers to Article 3.1(b) of the RTTE directive which states 1.The following essential requirements are applicable to all apparatus and part (b) the protection requirements with respect to electromagnetic compatibility contained in Directive 89/336/EEC. His interpretation is, then, that any standard published in the OJ for the EMC standard is (by this clause) also valid for the RTTE directive and one should make their declaration accordingly. My interpretation of this statement is slightly different. I believe that I cannot make an RTTE directive DoC using EMC published standards. I felt that the intention of this clause meant that just because you are declaring to the RTTE directive you are in no way relieved of the obligations of the EMC directive. Accordingly we produce a EMC declaration and a RTTE declaration. The EMC declaration uses standards published in the EMC OJ to show compliance and the RTTE directive DoC is to the standards published in the OJ for that directive. In the end I suppose this is all semantics as you end up doing the same test suite regardless but What are the feeling of this group. Do you agree with either position? Do you have another interpretation? Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 Email: harr...@dscltd.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Japan mains voltage
Darren, The mains voltage in Japan is 100V +/- 10%. Half of Japan is supplied from a 50Hz system and another half is supplied from a 60Hz system. John Radomski Clare Darren Pearson dar...@genesysibs.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordom Subject: Japan mains voltage o.ieee.org 02/20/02 07:46 AM Please respond to Darren Pearson Can anyone tell me what the mains voltage is in Japan, I think it is 110V but I do not know the frequency. apart from this, does any one know of a web site that gives information about the mains voltage and frequency of various countries ? Regards Darren. Darren Pearson Radio Telecom Approval Services Genesys Singleton Court, Wonastow Road Monmouth, NP25 5JA UK Tel: +44 1600 710300 Fax: +44 1600 710301 email: dar...@genesysibs.com web: www.genesysibs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Existing EN50082-1 approved products
Doug, EN55024 came into effect on July 1, 2001, and superceded EN50082-1. If a product was legally being sold in the EU, before that date, and was compliant to EN50082-1, does the product need to be re-tested to EN55024 to be sold after that date, YES, to EN55024. if there are no changes to that product, i.e. is a declaration to EN50082-1 still legal? Only for products sold before July 2001. For products sold after this date you have to issue a new declaration (to EN55024). John Radomski Clare --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Flammability requirement for cloth used on loudspeaker / UL6500
Hi Pierre, Here is my suggestion: request this information from the manufacturer (I doubt you will get it), buy the tablets and conduct this test in your own lab. Regards, John Radomski Clare Pierre SELVA \(eLABs\)To: Forum Safety-emc e.l...@wanadoo.fr emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordom Subject: Flammabilty requirement for cloth o.ieee.org used on loudspeaker / UL6500 02/13/02 12:56 PM Please respond to Pierre SELVA \(eLABs\) Dear members, I work on a loudspeaker project in the frame of UL6500. Reading the standard, I understand that the cloth used on the front of the loudspeaker (external to fire enclosure) has to be tested according the tablet test (see Table 13). Do you know this test ? Do you know if this information can be provided by the cloth manufacturer ? Many thanks for your answers, Pierre SELVA |-| |eLABs| | (emc, safety, radio,| | eco-design - product| | regulations)| |18 Rue Marceau | | Leyssieux | | 38400 SAINT MARTIN | | D'HERES - FRANCE | |-| | Pierre SELVA| | Phone : 33 (0)6 76 | | 63 02 58| | Gérant | | Fax : 33 (0)6 | | 61 37 87 48 | | e-mail :| | e.l...@wanadoo.fr | |-| --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: internal modem
but we are unfamiliar with telephone line connectivity. Dan, The following standard will need to be met: TIA/EIA/IS-968 Technical Requirements for Connection of Terminal Equipment to the Telephone Network (it replaces the FCC Part 68). Regards, John Radomski Clare --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: WEEE Directive
John, Try this: http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/com/dat/2000/en_500PC0347_01.html John Radomski John Juhasz jjuhasz@Fiberoptions.c To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org om cc: Sent by: Subject: WEEE Directive owner-emc-pstc@majordom o.ieee.org 12/06/01 04:38 PM Please respond to John Juhasz I am trying to find a link to the draft of the actual WEEE (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment) Directive. What I found thus far at the following link is the proposal FOR developing the Directive, not the actual draft itself. http://europa.eu.int/comm/environment/docum/00347_en.htm Does anyone have a link to the actual draft Directive? What is the proposed implementation date? Thanks. John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: EMC Directives and Norway
Would this mean compliance to the EMC Directive demonstrated by testing by a CAB located in Canada does not give presumption of conformity for Norway? Guidelines on the application of Directive 89/336/EEC contains the following information: According to the agreement related to the European Economic Area (EEA) (Council and Commission Decision 94/1/EC of 13 December 1993 (OJEC n° L 1 of 3 January 1994, p. 1)) the territories of Liechtenstein, Iceland and Norway have to be considered, for the implementation of Directive 89/336/EEC, as part of the Community territory. The Community territory is therefore composed of 18 States for the purposes of this Directive. When this term, Community territory, is used in this guide, it is meant the EEA territory.. I hope this helps. John Radomski --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Product Marking
Of course nothing can be sold in Canada without the Canadian supplied flag labels with the certification number imprinted. Don, The Canadian flag labels can be affixed only to equipment certified by Industry Canada (different issue, not related to the original question [NRTL, safety approvals to UL1950/CSA950, etc.]). Best Regards, John Radomski Product Compliance Engineer Clare --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Fuse Markings
Mike, Fuse-holders shall be marked with the symbol relative to the time/current characteristic (F or T), the rated current (mA or A), and the rated voltage (V) of the fuse. Examples: F250mA 250V (fast acting) T3A 250V (slow blow) John Radomski Product Compliance Engineer Clare Davis, Mike Mike_Davis@aTo: EMC-PSTC Regulatory E-Mail (E-mail) dc.com emc-p...@ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstSubject: Fuse Markings c...@ieee.org 01/25/01 11:08 AM Please respond to Davis, Mike I am in the process of updating markings for power ratings on a product that needs a marking for a FAST blow fuse. Is there a reference out there that shows the letter designations for the various blow open speeds? I looked in the IEC 417 and in UL1950 3rd edition to no avail. The search goes on. Michael S. Davis Compliance Engineer ADC BATG Compliance Engineering Tel: 203 630-5788 Fax: 203 630-5762 mike_da...@adc.com Learn about ADC - The Broadband Company at www.adc.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: FCC Part 68 Continuing Compliance
Jim, Under the latest Part 68 Rules, I believe you no longer submit an application to the FCC for Part 68 registration. As far as I know, the latest FCC Part 68 Rule gives manufacturers the CHOICE to choose a designated TCB or the FCC to have its products approved. John Radomski --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Poland Type Approval
Look at: http://www.eto.dk/Contacts/poland.htm John Radomski Product Compliance Engineer Clare Corp. Frank Harkins To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org fharkins@solemc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org ectek.com cc: Sent by: Subject: Poland Type Approval owner-emc-pst c...@ieee.org 10/25/00 04:08 PM Please respond to Frank Harkins Hi Group I hope some one can help me find the proper authority and regulations for Poland to type approve certify a DSS device in the ISM 2.4Ghz range ..I am at a dead end and any help would be appreciated. Frank --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: earth bonding stud
Chris, I would prefer a simpler solution (only two parts): solder lock ring terminal (with a built-in star washer) + nut. John Radomski Colgan, Chris Chris.Colgan@TAGMcLarenTo: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Audio.com cc: Sent by:Subject: earth bonding stud owner-emc-p...@ieee.org 10/09/00 05:41 AM Please respond to Colgan, Chris Hello group Having only ever dealt with Class II double insulated products, we are going to produce a Class I earthed product. We have an M4 stud in the baseplate and I have to spec the method of connecting the stud to the IEC mains inlet to provide chassis bonding to earth. I was going to suggest the following stack of parts: M4 crinkle washer, M4 solder terminal, M4 crinkle washer, M4 Nyloc nut. Does anyone think that this might prove unsuitable? Regards Chris Colgan EMC Safety TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU United Kingdom * Phone: +44 (0)1480 415627 * Fax: +44 (0)1480 415689 * Mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com * http://www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** Please visit us at www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** The contents of this E-mail are confidential and for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. If you receive this E-mail in error, please delete it from your system immediately and notify us either by E-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the E-mail. TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, 11 Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU Telephone : 01480 415600 (+44 1480 415600) Facsimile : 01480 52159 (+44 1480 52159) ** Please visit us at www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Application of agency safety markings
Tania, If the factory location means NRTL inspected factory location, the answer to your question would be: YES. For example: CSA requires their logo to be affixed at the source (where final production-line safety tests are conducted). As far as I know, INTERTEK and TUV have similar requirements. John Radomski Clare Corp. Grant, Tania (Tania) To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org tgrant@lucencc: t.com Subject: Application of agency safety Sent by: markings owner-emc-pst c...@ieee.org 09/21/00 09:52 PM Please respond to Grant, Tania (Tania) Does anyone know whether NRTLs, other than UL, have the requirement that their labels must only be applied at the factory location? And if so, is this an urban legend, or is this actually specified somewhere in writing? I know and respect UL's position but I was wondering whether other NRTLs in this country have the same requirement. Any replies or experience you might have had are welcome! Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Switching Solutions Group Intelligent Network and Messaging Solutions (See attached file: attw8nvp.dat) attw8nvp.dat Description: Binary data
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Brazilian requirements
Thanks to all who took the time to respond. As always, your help is greatly appreciated. John Radomski Clare Corp. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Brazilian requirements
Group, Could you advise me on the Brazilian telecom requirements for interfaces to be connected to the analog PSTN? I was not able to find any information on this subject in English. Thank you in advance. John Radomski Product Compliance Engineer Clare Corp. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
