RE: FCC Part 15 and U.S. Safety dates?
Some brief history on OSHA and NRTL program. http://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtl/slide18.html A bit more detail is at: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20051800/edocket.access.gpo .gov/2005/05-22630.htm (this link might wrap around in e-mail...go to item B named "B. Why Did OSHA Develop the NRTL Program?") Thanks, Kaz kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Bacher Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:49 AM To: David Lohbeck; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: FCC Part 15 and U.S. Safety dates? Dave, I am not sure when OSHA, NEC or others put it into place the safety requirements, but I believe the NRTL program was started in the area of late 1987 or early 1988. So the requirement for a product used in the work place to have a safety certification would have had to been in place by then. Below are a couple key items. OSHA's rules say: 1910.155(c)(3)(iv)(B) Equipment is labeled if there is attached to it a label, symbol, or other identifying mark of a nationally recognized testing laboratory which makes periodic inspections of the production of such equipment, and whose labeling indicates compliance with nationally recognized standards or tests to determine safe use in a specified manner; 1910.155(c)(3)(iv)(C) Equipment is accepted if it has been inspected and found by a nationally recognized testing laboratory to conform to specified plans or to procedures of applicable codes; and 1910.155(c)(3)(iv)(D) Equipment is certified if it has been tested and found by a nationally recognized testing laboratory to meet nationally recognized standards or to be safe for use in a specified manner or is of a kind whose production is periodically inspected by a nationally recognized testing laboratory, and if it bears a label, tag, or other record of certification. NEC says: 90-7. Examination of Equipment for Safety. For specific items of equipment and materials referred to in this Code, examinations for safety made under standard conditions will provide a basis for approval where the record is made generally available through promulgation by organizations properly equipped and qualified for experimental testing, inspections of the run of goods at factories, and service-value determination through field inspections. This avoids the necessity for repetition of examinations by different examiners, frequently with inadequate facilities for such work, and the confusion that would result >from conflicting reports as to the suitability of devices and materials examined for a given purpose. Oregon says: 479.610 Sale or disposal of uncertified or unevaluated electrical product prohibited. Except as provided under ORS 479.540, no person shall sell or dispose of by gift or otherwise in connection with the person's business an electrical product that is not certified or evaluated under the requirements of ORS 479.510 to 479.945. [1959c.406 s.9; 1981 c.815 s.12; 1995 c.706 s.2] URL for the State of Oregon: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/479.html Also, was there a date that a U.S. safety law WAS enacted and by who (OSHA)? Thanks,, Dave Lohbeck - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. __
RE: UL Approval in different States
I recall at least one cellular handset as having gotten certification to 950 out of concern that the handsfree function might cause injury if held too closely...especially in the case of childrenhad a nifty infra red skull detector built in... Car and ac adapters also had safety certification. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Inc. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bill Bisenius - FastWave Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:44 AM To: 'Barker, Neil'; 'Jim Bacher'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: UL Approval in different States Here is one possible "market driven" scenario: Power Tool - sold by Home Depot, etc. = Home Depot requires certification on everything electrical they sell = Tool mfg. gets certification for battery operated tool so they can sell via Home Depot. Cell Phone - sold by Cell phone carriers and small cell phone distributors - if they care, all they probably care about is the charger being certified. In some cases, it may be better to ask the buyer what they require. Regards, Bill Bisenius, N.C.E. E.D.& D. bi...@productsafet.com www.productsafeT.com 919-469-9434 From: Barker, Neil [mailto:neil.bar...@e2v.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:35 AM To: 'Jim Bacher'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: UL Approval in different States I'm afraid that I don't have a definitive answer, and look forward to somebody else posting one. However, my one observation is that the power tool may be used in the workplace and is therefore subject to the jurisdiction of OSHA, whereas your phone would not generally be classified as equipment for use in the workplace. I suspect that both adapters/chargers are NRTL'd because they are mains powered, which is probably covered by both OSHA and the NEC. I have to admit that we play safe and have a battery-powered thermal imaging camera for use by fire-fighters NRTL'd on the basis that it is used in the workplace, and is also frequently supplied to public authorities who are risk averse and inclined to want to be able to 'tick the box' when procuring equipment for use by public employees. Best regards, Neil R. Barker C.Eng. MIEE FSEE MIEEE Manager Compliance Engineering e2v technologies (uk) ltd 106 Waterhouse Lane Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QU UK Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616 Fax: +44 (0)1245 453410 e-mail: neil.bar...@e2v.com Web: http://www.e2v.com From: Jim Bacher [mailto:jim.bac...@paxar.com] Sent: 18 May 2005 13:22 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: UL Approval in different States Does any one know the current status of how battery operated products are affected by the NRTL requirements? I did notice a power tool I bought lately has a NRTL mark on it, but my cell phone does not. In both cases the power adapters/chargers are NRTL'd. At one time I understood that at least one state required battery based products to be NRTL'd, but it must not be enforced. Jim Jim Bacher Senior Engineer Paxar Americas, Inc. 170 Monarch Lane Miamisburg, Ohio 45342 Voice: 937-865-2020 Fax: 937-865-2048 email: jim.bac...@paxar.com This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For poli
RE: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
The lower limits appear to have been removed from the draft LVD revision efforts currently under way...Annex I is also very interesting. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/lv/direct/lvdupdat e5.pdf Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Inc. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits In article <20040920180626.98559.qm...@web14826.mail.yahoo.com>, peter merguerian writes >At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage >limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What >is the status of those discussions? Still under discussion, I believe. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: TEMPEST regulations
Alexandru, You might try the NSA in the US but will likely need to contact the Canadian equivalent (CSIS?) . I had placed an inquiry with the UK source and was advised that since I am in the US, they would not explore the release any docs and kindly supplied additional advice to contact the NSA. Might be the same kind of thing for Canadian distribution requests. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:32 PM To: 'Alexandru Guidea'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: TEMPEST regulations >-Original Message- >From: Alexandru Guidea [ mailto:gui...@cae.com] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:35 AM >To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' >Subject: TEMPEST regulations > > > >Dear colleagues, > >I am looking to procure an UK (or NATO) TEMPEST >standard/regulation -- JSP >480. Any help in finding a source for this doc will be greatly >appreciated. >Whether some confidentiality restrictions exist, they can be >resolved by our >library, as it has similar docs. > >Thanks, > >Guidea Alexandru >CAE Inc. >Montreal, CANADA Alexandru: A JSP is a British Ministry of Defence (MoD) Joint Services Publication. You might try the MoD homepage at: http://www.dstan.mod.uk/index.html but many Comsec documents are classified, so you might have trouble getting a copy (as in not exactly a pdf on the web ). Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com NARTE Certified EMC Engineer & Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty
RE: North American Production-Line Tests; ANSI or Other
Going back a ways, UL 1459, ed. 3 Sections 72 and 73 along with Appendix C provide quite a lot of details regarding production line tests for telecom equipment. I have not been able to find a reference within UL 1459 which might indicate a deeper source of the requirements as reflected in 1459. My opinion and not that of my employer. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: North American Production-Line Tests; ANSI or Other In searching UL 60950, don't look for production line tests, look for "Routine Testing". Even then, the only routine testing I found in my very limited search was for routine hipot testing. Sam From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jayasinghe, Ryan Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:26 PM To: 'Rich Nute'; pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: North American Production-Line Tests; ANSI or Other Hello Rich, Good question. I tried tracking this down myself as I had to show my people where the Hi Pot and Bonding tests were required. You can't get from UL1950 to the production line tests. I know it's called out on the Factory Audit Manuals... but where does the requirement come from? What I got a hold of was a UL procedure for their Follow up Services personnel. But I hope you can use this document to further track down the source of the requirement. Try doing a search in Google for "File E211188 Vol. 1" This is where I saw it. File E211188 Vol. 1 Issued: ( ) A P P E N D I X STANDARDIZED APPENDIX PAGES FOR: INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT INCLUDING ELECTRICAL BUSINESS EQUIPMENT (NWGQ, NWGQ7), POWER SUPPLIES FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT INCLUDING ELECTRICAL BUSINESS EQUIPMENT (QQGQ, QQGQ7), TELEPHONE APPLIANCES AND EQUIPMENT (WYQQ, WYQQ7), POWER SUPPLIES FOR TELEPHONE APPLIANCES AND EQUIPMENT (QQJE, QQJE7) These appendix pages shall also be used for Components Recognized under the categories noted below when one or more descriptive Sections of the Follow-Up Service Procedure require that the manufacturer conduct the factory production-line tests described in Appendix D: (NWGQ2/QQGQ2/WYQQ2/QQJE2) (NWGQ8/QQGQ8/WYQQ8/QQJE8) Ryan Jazz JayasingheCanoga Perkins (www.canoga.com <http://www.canoga.com> ) Compliance Engineer 20600 Prairie Street Direct: (818) 678-3898 or x1198 Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 Main:(818) 718-6300 e-mail: r...@canoga.com <mailto:r...@canoga.com> FAX:(818) 678-3798 From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:52 PM To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Re: North American Production-Line Tests; ANSI or Other Hi Peter: > Anyone knows of ANSI or other North American production-line test > procedures/requirements for electrical/electronic equipment? Some UL > and CSA standards specify the procedures for roduction-line tests, but > what I am looking for is the source of these procedures/requirements. I don't believe any North American standard specifies production-line tests. For UL, production-line tests are specified in the front of each Volume of the UL Follow-Up Services (FUS) procedure. For CSA, I believe production-line tests are specified in the product report. Best regards, Rich This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: htt
