Re: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread Doug Nix, C.E.T. 
Pete,

Got time for a phone call later today or this week? I’ve done some work in this 
area and might be able to add some thoughts. 

Best,
Doug Nix

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> On Aug 2, 2018, at 08:52, John Allen 
> <09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> Look for relevant Type B and specific Type C EN standards.
>  
> John E Allen
> W.London, UK
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> From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
> Sent: 02 August 2018 13:29
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> Subject: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about
>  
> Colleagues, I’ve been dealing with CE marking of machinery for some 
> time but now am interested in a variation on that theme, machinery that 
> moves.  Think of a fork-lift or front loader each of which lifts a load and 
> moves it before setting it down again.  What additional requirements are 
> placed upon such a machine. 
>  
> :>) br,  Pete
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Re: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread Doug Powell 
It seems to me that in addition to the MD, you may need to look at any
vehicular issues.  Depending on the engine type possibly batteries, fuels,
etc.  The term forklift may not work and instead try lift truck.

I would be curious to see what you finally decide.

Thanks,  Doug

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:08 AM Mike Sherman  wrote:

> Pete --
>
> Things to consider:
> 1.  Section 3 of Annex I of the Machinery Safety Directive.
>
> 2.  There may be some Type C EN standards that are applicable, or from
> which you could glean some useful requirements.
>
> 3.  Product might be out of scope of RoHS directive, if it meets the
> definition of professional off road mobile machinery. See Guideline to the
> RoHS directive for the finer points of this.
>
> Mike Sherman
> Graco Inc.
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> *Sent: *Thursday, August 2, 2018 7:28:39 AM
> *Subject: *[PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about
>
> Colleagues, I’ve been dealing with CE marking of machinery for
> some time but now am interested in a variation on that theme, machinery
> that moves.  Think of a fork-lift or front loader each of which lifts a
> load and moves it before setting it down again.  What additional
> requirements are placed upon such a machine.
>
>
>
> :>) br,  Pete
>
>
>
> Peter E Perkins, PE
>
> Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant
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Re: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread Mike Sherman 
Pete -- 

Things to consider: 
1. Section 3 of Annex I of the Machinery Safety Directive. 

2. There may be some Type C EN standards that are applicable, or from which you 
could glean some useful requirements. 

3. Product might be out of scope of RoHS directive, if it meets the definition 
of professional off road mobile machinery. See Guideline to the RoHS directive 
for the finer points of this. 

Mike Sherman 
Graco Inc. 

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From: "Pete Perkins" <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> 
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Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 7:28:39 AM 
Subject: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about 



Colleagues, I’ve been dealing with CE marking of machinery for some time but 
now am interested in a variation on that theme, machinery that moves. Think of 
a fork-lift or front loader each of which lifts a load and moves it before 
setting it down again. What additional requirements are placed upon such a 
machine. 



:>) br, Pete 



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PO Box 23427 

Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 



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Re: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread Nick Williams 
Mobile machines are addressed by section 3 of Annex 1 of the Machinery 
Directive. Machines for lifting loads are addressed by section 4. Machines for 
lifting people are addressed by section 6. 

Regards

Nick. 

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 13:28, Pete Perkins 
> <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> Colleagues, I’ve been dealing with CE marking of machinery for some 
> time but now am interested in a variation on that theme, machinery that 
> moves.  Think of a fork-lift or front loader each of which lifts a load and 
> moves it before setting it down again.  What additional requirements are 
> placed upon such a machine.  
>  
> :>) br,  Pete
>  
> Peter E Perkins, PE
> Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant
> PO Box 23427
> Tigard, ORe  97281-3427
>  


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Re: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread John Allen 
Look for relevant Type B and specific Type C EN standards.

 

John E Allen

W.London, UK

 

From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 02 August 2018 13:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

 

Colleagues, I've been dealing with CE marking of machinery for some
time but now am interested in a variation on that theme, machinery that
moves.  Think of a fork-lift or front loader each of which lifts a load and
moves it before setting it down again.  What additional requirements are
placed upon such a machine.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

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[PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread Pete Perkins 
Colleagues, I've been dealing with CE marking of machinery for some
time but now am interested in a variation on that theme, machinery that
moves.  Think of a fork-lift or front loader each of which lifts a load and
moves it before setting it down again.  What additional requirements are
placed upon such a machine.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

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Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

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