Re: [PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used if newest version is too new?

2020-06-01 Thread Ghery S. Pettit 
Keep in mind that IEC standards have no legal bearing in any country until they 
are adopted into the applicable regulations.  What country (or countries) do 
you plan on marketing your product in?  What do their regulations require?

 

Ghery S. Pettit

Chair, CISPR SC I

 

 

From: Matthew Larkin  
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 9:31 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used 
if newest version is too new?

 

Hi Kevin

 

IEC generally does not have a transition period so if there is no date you 
strictly speaking utilise the current version at the time of assessment, 
however, you may wish to consider your target market for example EN60086-4:2015 
is valid till May 2022 for EU.

 

Also you may wish to consider evaluating the differences between the versions 
and do gap testing/evaluation if appropriate.

 

 

Best Regards

 

Matthew

 

From: Kevin McCandless 
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Sent: 01 June 2020 16:41
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used if 
newest version is too new?

 

Hello Colleagues,

 

We have a handheld device that is being tested for IEC 62368-1:2014 compliance.

The NRTL we are using is stating that our battery (CR2450N) has to be tested 
and certified to IEC 60086-4.

In IEC 62368-1:2014, IEC 60086-4 is an undated Normative Reference. So you must 
use the latest edition.

Currently, the latest edition is IEC 60086-4:2019 and is available as a Redline 
version.

So far we cannot find a vendor that is certified to this newly released 
standard The best we have found is Renata, who states they are estimating 
compliance to the 2019 version by the end of Q3.

 

Are we forced to sit and hold our product's certification and release because 
no battery vendors are certified to this newly released standard?

Or, is there a Start Date of PoC and DoW equivalent scenario where we can 
finish our certification using a battery that is compliant to the previous 
version of the Normative Reference?

 

Thank you very much for your time, experience and wisdom in these matters.

 

Best regards,



 

Kevin McCandless   |   Schneider Electric   |   Regulatory Engineer

 

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Re: [PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used if newest version is too new?

2020-06-01 Thread Matthew Larkin 
Hi Kevin

 

IEC generally does not have a transition period so if there is no date you
strictly speaking utilise the current version at the time of assessment,
however, you may wish to consider your target market for example
EN60086-4:2015 is valid till May 2022 for EU.

 

Also you may wish to consider evaluating the differences between the
versions and do gap testing/evaluation if appropriate.

 

 

Best Regards

 

Matthew

 

From: Kevin McCandless
[mailto:11486f2cd44e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org] 
Sent: 01 June 2020 16:41
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used if
newest version is too new?

 

Hello Colleagues,

 

We have a handheld device that is being tested for IEC 62368-1:2014
compliance.

The NRTL we are using is stating that our battery (CR2450N) has to be tested
and certified to IEC 60086-4.

In IEC 62368-1:2014, IEC 60086-4 is an undated Normative Reference. So you
must use the latest edition.

Currently, the latest edition is IEC 60086-4:2019 and is available as a
Redline version.

So far we cannot find a vendor that is certified to this newly released
standard The best we have found is Renata, who states they are estimating
compliance to the 2019 version by the end of Q3.

 

Are we forced to sit and hold our product's certification and release
because no battery vendors are certified to this newly released standard?

Or, is there a Start Date of PoC and DoW equivalent scenario where we can
finish our certification using a battery that is compliant to the previous
version of the Normative Reference?

 

Thank you very much for your time, experience and wisdom in these matters.

 

Best regards,




 

Kevin McCandless   |   Schneider Electric   |   Regulatory Engineer

 

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Re: [PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used if newest version is too new?

2020-06-01 Thread John Woodgate 
That's the big trouble with undated references. It's good that the EC 
lawyers insist on dated references. Incredibly, even the 2019 edition 
with the latest amendment still includes undated references, including 
60086-4.  The EC will not accept the standard in that condition for 
notification in the OJ.


What you can do is explain in your Assessment that you cannot apply the 
2019 edition because no conforming parts are available, so you have used 
parts conforming to the 2014 edition. You can also state (if it's true) 
that you have compared the two editions and none of the changes affect 
your use of the part.


Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only www.woodjohn.uk 
Rayleigh, Essex UK MAY THE VIRUS NOT BE WITH YOU dum nisi ex silvis sumus

On 2020-06-01 16:40, Kevin McCandless wrote:


Hello Colleagues,

We have a handheld device that is being tested for IEC 62368-1:2014 
compliance.


The NRTL we are using is stating that our battery (CR2450N) has to be 
tested and certified to IEC 60086-4.


In IEC 62368-1:2014, IEC 60086-4 is an undated Normative Reference. So 
you must use the latest edition.


Currently, the latest edition is IEC 60086-4:2019 and is available as 
a Redline version.


So far we cannot find a vendor that is certified to this newly 
released standard The best we have found is Renata, who states they 
are estimating compliance to the 2019 version by the end of Q3.


Are we forced to sit and hold our product's certification and release 
because no battery vendors are certified to this newly released standard?


Or, is there a Start Date of PoC and DoW equivalent scenario where we 
can finish our certification using a battery that is compliant to the 
previous version of the Normative Reference?


Thank you very much for your time, experience and wisdom in these matters.

Best regards,



Kevin McCandless   |   Schneider Electric   |   Regulatory Engineer

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[PSES] Can the previous version of a Normative Reference be used if newest version is too new?

2020-06-01 Thread Kevin McCandless 
Hello Colleagues,



We have a handheld device that is being tested for IEC 62368-1:2014 compliance.

The NRTL we are using is stating that our battery (CR2450N) has to be tested 
and certified to IEC 60086-4.

In IEC 62368-1:2014, IEC 60086-4 is an undated Normative Reference. So you must 
use the latest edition.

Currently, the latest edition is IEC 60086-4:2019 and is available as a Redline 
version.

So far we cannot find a vendor that is certified to this newly released 
standard The best we have found is Renata, who states they are estimating 
compliance to the 2019 version by the end of Q3.



Are we forced to sit and hold our product's certification and release because 
no battery vendors are certified to this newly released standard?

Or, is there a Start Date of PoC and DoW equivalent scenario where we can 
finish our certification using a battery that is compliant to the previous 
version of the Normative Reference?



Thank you very much for your time, experience and wisdom in these matters.



Best regards,





Kevin McCandless   |   Schneider Electric   |   Regulatory Engineer


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