Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
CE = Check Everything or Compliance Expensive ...It's Friday -Bob -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sundstrom, Michael Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:45 AM To: Crane, Lauren; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And here all these years I thought it meant: Compliance Extraordinary... Michael Sundstrom OHD TREQ Dallas Electronic Lab Analyst EMC Lead (214) 579 6312 office (940) 390 3644 cell KB5UKT -Original Message- From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix The CE marking remains the same. The meaning is 'Caveat Emptor' ;-) Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:44 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Conformité Européenne -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: peter_kelle...@dell.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 > provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the > European Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a > suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the foregoing does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
And here all these years I thought it meant: Compliance Extraordinary... Michael Sundstrom OHD TREQ Dallas Electronic Lab Analyst EMC Lead (214) 579 6312 office (940) 390 3644 cell KB5UKT -Original Message- From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix The CE marking remains the same. The meaning is 'Caveat Emptor' ;-) Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:44 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Conformité Européenne -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: peter_kelle...@dell.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 > provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the > European Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a > suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
In a similar way, many sources will cite ATEX as an acronym for ATmospheres EXplosive, (or a similar variation). But I think I am correct in saying that it isn't officially defined anywhere in EU documentation. Andy Land Instruments, Stubley Lane, Dronfield, Derbyshire S18 1DJ, England Tel: +44 (0)1246 581592 E-mail: andrew.w...@ametek.co.uk Web: http://www.landinst.com This e-mail and its contents may be confidential, privileged and protected by law. Access is only authorised by the intended recipient. The contents of this e-mail may not be disclosed to, or used by, anyone other than the intended recipient, or stored or copied in any medium. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately. Land Instruments International is registered in London (Reg. No. 1659383) Registered office: Land Instruments International Limited, 2 New Star Road, PO Box 36, Leicester, Leicestershire, LE4 9JQ From: "John Allen" To: , , Cc: Date: 17/08/2012 11:12 Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Sent by:emc-p...@ieee.org Morning (UK time!!) I think Peter is correct - but for other reasons = language and politics!! Yes, there are a few languages where translations of the letters "CE" would make sense as the initial letters of a suitable phrase - but there are many other languages where that is most probably NOT so! And, how many countries (especially those where France/French is "not popular) would be "happy" if their national prerogative was seen to be usurped by that of one of the major EU member states. This is definitely situation where "greyness" is best - as attempts at clarity could lead to conflict. That is what I always tell people when I am teaching them about CE marking and all its little wrinkles J John Allen Compliance With Experience Ltd., W. London, UK -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peter_kelle...@dell.com Sent: 17 August 2012 10:56 To: doug...@gmail.com; oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Actually it's a good question. My understanding has always been that 'CE' did not stand for anything. That is, it's just a symbol comprising of the letters C and E. Certainly none of the directives that use it or any of the documents establishing the CE Marking ascribe any meaning to the individual letters. Recently I have seen some websites of the European Commission stating that the letters stood for "Conformité Européenne". But I don't think there is any formal basis for this. Regards Peter. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: 16 August 2012 22:59 To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix That plus all these have been used at one time or another: Communauté Européenne Comunidad Europea Comunidade Europeia Comunità Europea Conformité Européenne On 8/16/12, Brian Oconnell wrote: > Conformité Européenne > > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Powell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM > To: peter_kelle...@dell.com > Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > > And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? > > CE = Communauté Européenne > > -- > Thanks, -doug > > Douglas E Powell > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: >> EU = European Union >> EC = European Community >> >> The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 >> provided > for >> the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the >> European Union. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter. >> >> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott >> Xe >> Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 >> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: EC vs EU suffix >> >> The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a >> suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this >> change? >> >> Scott > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities > site at http://product-comp
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
Morning (UK time!!) I think Peter is correct - but for other reasons = language and politics!! Yes, there are a few languages where translations of the letters "CE" would make sense as the initial letters of a suitable phrase - but there are many other languages where that is most probably NOT so! And, how many countries (especially those where France/French is "not popular) would be "happy" if their national prerogative was seen to be usurped by that of one of the major EU member states. This is definitely situation where "greyness" is best - as attempts at clarity could lead to conflict. That is what I always tell people when I am teaching them about CE marking and all its little wrinkles J John Allen Compliance With Experience Ltd., W. London, UK -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peter_kelle...@dell.com Sent: 17 August 2012 10:56 To: doug...@gmail.com; oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Actually it's a good question. My understanding has always been that 'CE' did not stand for anything. That is, it's just a symbol comprising of the letters C and E. Certainly none of the directives that use it or any of the documents establishing the CE Marking ascribe any meaning to the individual letters. Recently I have seen some websites of the European Commission stating that the letters stood for "Conformité Européenne". But I don't think there is any formal basis for this. Regards Peter. -Original Message- From: <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: 16 August 2012 22:59 To: <mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com> oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix That plus all these have been used at one time or another: Communauté Européenne Comunidad Europea Comunidade Europeia Comunità Europea Conformité Européenne On 8/16/12, Brian Oconnell < <mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com> oconne...@tamuracorp.com> wrote: > Conformité Européenne > > -Original Message- > From: <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Powell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM > To: <mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com> peter_kelle...@dell.com > Cc: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > > And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? > > CE = Communauté Européenne > > -- > Thanks, -doug > > Douglas E Powell > <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> doug...@gmail.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On 8/16/12, <mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com> peter_kelle...@dell.com < <mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com> peter_kelle...@dell.com> wrote: >> EU = European Union >> EC = European Community >> >> The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 >> provided > for >> the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the >> European Union. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter. >> >> From: <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott >> Xe >> Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 >> To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: EC vs EU suffix >> >> The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a >> suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this >> change? >> >> Scott > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to < <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > <http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities > site at <http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for > graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/> http:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
Actually it's a good question. My understanding has always been that 'CE' did not stand for anything. That is, it's just a symbol comprising of the letters C and E. Certainly none of the directives that use it or any of the documents establishing the CE Marking ascribe any meaning to the individual letters. Recently I have seen some websites of the European Commission stating that the letters stood for "Conformité Européenne". But I don't think there is any formal basis for this. Regards Peter. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: 16 August 2012 22:59 To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix That plus all these have been used at one time or another: Communauté Européenne Comunidad Europea Comunidade Europeia Comunità Europea Conformité Européenne On 8/16/12, Brian Oconnell wrote: > Conformité Européenne > > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Powell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM > To: peter_kelle...@dell.com > Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > > And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? > > CE = Communauté Européenne > > -- > Thanks, -doug > > Douglas E Powell > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: >> EU = European Union >> EC = European Community >> >> The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 >> provided > for >> the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the >> European Union. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter. >> >> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott >> Xe >> Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 >> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: EC vs EU suffix >> >> The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a >> suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this >> change? >> >> Scott > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities > site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for > graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell > > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: > -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
Peter, Thanks for info. Raymond On 16/8/12 11:07 PM, "peter_kelle...@dell.com" wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the European > Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a suffix of > EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher > David Heald > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
Thanks, That explains a lot of things... On 8/16/12, Crane, Lauren wrote: > The CE marking remains the same. > > The meaning is 'Caveat Emptor' ;-) > > Regards, > Lauren Crane > KLA-Tencor > -Original Message- > From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:44 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > Conformité Européenne > > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM > To: peter_kelle...@dell.com > Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > > And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? > > CE = Communauté Européenne > > -- > Thanks, -doug > > Douglas E Powell > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: >> EU = European Union >> EC = European Community >> >> The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 >> provided > for >> the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the >> European Union. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter. >> >> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott >> Xe >> Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 >> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: EC vs EU suffix >> >> The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a >> suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this >> change? >> >> Scott > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: > -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
That plus all these have been used at one time or another: Communauté Européenne Comunidad Europea Comunidade Europeia Comunità Europea Conformité Européenne On 8/16/12, Brian Oconnell wrote: > Conformité Européenne > > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Powell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM > To: peter_kelle...@dell.com > Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > > And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? > > CE = Communauté Européenne > > -- > Thanks, -doug > > Douglas E Powell > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: >> EU = European Union >> EC = European Community >> >> The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 provided > for >> the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the >> European Union. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter. >> >> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Xe >> Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 >> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: EC vs EU suffix >> >> The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a >> suffix >> of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? >> >> Scott > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: > -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
The CE marking remains the same. The meaning is 'Caveat Emptor' ;-) Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:44 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Conformité Européenne -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: peter_kelle...@dell.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 > provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the > European Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a > suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
Conformité Européenne -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: peter_kelle...@dell.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the > European Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a suffix > of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the > European Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a suffix > of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott > - > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: > David Heald: > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix
EU = European Union EC = European Community The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 provided for the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the European Union. Regards Peter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Xe Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: EC vs EU suffix The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] EC vs EU suffix
The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
