Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Thanks. I did receive a reply from the IEC today. The delay would seem to be caused by my questions being routed to the correct person to answer it. Here is the answer I received: We currently, have addendums to the TRFs for national differences, that are made available only to our members. There will be a CMC meeting at the end of June, the final decision will be held at that point. So it would seem that since we are not an IEC member we wouldn't get the national differences if I ordered their TRF. I may be able to get it from our NB. We will see. What's involved in becoming an IEC member? Thanks to all for the help. The Other Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:55 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB02641A50@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. You have to be very careful to email the right (anonymous) person. Actually, the Customer Service centre now advises in their FAQ: I have questions related to the content of a specific IEC publication You will find below categories of technical questions and who to contact: Technical information Please contact the secretary of the IEC National Committee in your country. Best of luck! -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
I purchased the IEC/EN 60950-1 TRF from the IEC webstore. It includes the EN CENELEC common modifications and Annex ZB special national conditions for the EU, but no other country deviations. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com teradata.com -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Thanks for the information but I'm getting different answers from different people. Our local TUV:SUD office told me if I order the TRF from IEC that it will include all available national deviations provided in a separate document. I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. I purchased a copy of the IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed several years ago. Now that UL and CSA has published their version, is there a way I can get just a list of their National Differences without having to buy their Tri-National version and go through it line by line? There must be an easier way that I'm just not aware of. Please help. Thanks, The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:47 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB02641B1E@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: What's involved in becoming an IEC member? IEC 'members' are national standards bodies, i.e. ANSI, CSA, BSI, DIN etc. CISPR has additional 'members', spectrum management authorities. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Dan, Thanks for the information. We do not use UL for an NRTL but I will check with our NRTL to see if they can provide us with this information. I've asked them about this and at first they told me they would provide us with this information, but then said the IEC would provide it if we purchase their TRF, which would now seem not to be correct (unless I was an IEC member). The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Dan Roman [mailto:danp...@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:23 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Brian, I believe UL customers can download the national deviations for free (well it is not really free if you are a UL client I guess) using the SCCL even if you have not purchased the standard itself from UL. Do not know if CSA or the others provide the same service. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Thanks for the information but I'm getting different answers from different people. Our local TUV:SUD office told me if I order the TRF from IEC that it will include all available national deviations provided in a separate document. I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. I purchased a copy of the IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed several years ago. Now that UL and CSA has published their version, is there a way I can get just a list of their National Differences without having to buy their Tri-National version and go through it line by line? There must be an easier way that I'm just not aware of. Please help. Thanks, The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:47 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB02641B1E@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: We currently, have addendums to the TRFs for national differences, that are made available only to our members. There will be a CMC meeting at the end of June, the final decision will be held at that point. That second sentence is cryptic, but is actually very significant. I now recall that the restricted availability of the national deviation data has been a controversial point for many years, especially as it was not widely known what the justification was. This CMC (Certification Management Committee) is the body that would decide whether to change the policy of restriction. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Brian, et al, I am surprised that you are unaware of the secret rules of the IEC... National deviations are not for everyone to understand. Why would you expect that there would be universal access to such proprietary information. How do you think these countries are going to hang onto their place in the sun if they just give the information away. Shame on you!!! Trying to gain access to the inner sanctum. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
It used to be that you could buy a certain CB Bulletin which contained all of the countries that are members of the IEC, what product categories they were covered in and that the national deviations were for those countries. I subscribed once upon a time but have not for years. You can start here: http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/mysearchajax?Openformkey=CB%20Bulletinsorting=start=1onglet=1 Is this maybe somewhat close to what you are looking for? Not a TRF with differences, but close? On 4/11/2013 8:41 AM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Dan, Thanks for the information. We do not use UL for an NRTL but I will check with our NRTL to see if they can provide us with this information. I've asked them about this and at first they told me they would provide us with this information, but then said the IEC would provide it if we purchase their TRF, which would now seem not to be correct (unless I was an IEC member). The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Dan Roman [mailto:danp...@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:23 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Brian, I believe UL customers can download the national deviations for free (well it is not really free if you are a UL client I guess) using the SCCL even if you have not purchased the standard itself from UL. Do not know if CSA or the others provide the same service. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Thanks for the information but I'm getting different answers from different people. Our local TUV:SUD office told me if I order the TRF from IEC that it will include all available national deviations provided in a separate document. I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. I purchased a copy of the IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed several years ago. Now that UL and CSA has published their version, is there a way I can get just a list of their National Differences without having to buy their Tri-National version and go through it line by line? There must be an easier way that I'm just not aware of. Please help. Thanks, The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:47 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Thanks for the information but I'm getting different answers from different people. Our local TUV:SUD office told me if I order the TRF from IEC that it will include all available national deviations provided in a separate document. I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. I purchased a copy of the IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed several years ago. Now that UL and CSA has published their version, is there a way I can get just a list of their National Differences without having to buy their Tri-National version and go through it line by line? There must be an easier way that I'm just not aware of. Please help. Thanks, The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:47 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Brian, I believe UL customers can download the national deviations for free (well it is not really free if you are a UL client I guess) using the SCCL even if you have not purchased the standard itself from UL. Do not know if CSA or the others provide the same service. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Thanks for the information but I'm getting different answers from different people. Our local TUV:SUD office told me if I order the TRF from IEC that it will include all available national deviations provided in a separate document. I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. I purchased a copy of the IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed several years ago. Now that UL and CSA has published their version, is there a way I can get just a list of their National Differences without having to buy their Tri-National version and go through it line by line? There must be an easier way that I'm just not aware of. Please help. Thanks, The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:47 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB02641A50@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. You have to be very careful to email the right (anonymous) person. Actually, the Customer Service centre now advises in their FAQ: I have questions related to the content of a specific IEC publication You will find below categories of technical questions and who to contact: Technical information Please contact the secretary of the IEC National Committee in your country. Best of luck! -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026417BB@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. The IEC Webstore: http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/mysearchajax?Openformkey=TRF 61010-1sorting=start=1onglet=1 But you will have to ask whether it includes all the national stuff. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
