RE: 95/54/EC Automotive Directive Conflict
Hi Guys, I had to many email responses to thank you all individually! The result was some misunderstanding and lack off "full" details when applying to the vehicle authority to make a decision on whether our product was applicable to this Directive. However, another matter cropped up. How to test!! The POS terminal consists of a Top Unit which houses the GSM/GPRS and main electronics. This top sits on a charging base, normally via a AC/DC power supply to commercial mains supply but in the case for vehicles it will use the Cigarette lighter holder or hard wired into the vehicle voltage system It has been agreed that this terminal should be tested in it's standby mode of operation i.e. sitting on it's charging base, but not during a transaction. A transaction would only be done i.e. connection to the GSM network, when the vehicle e.g. taxi, is stopped and parked safely (since when do taxis park safely!!). Note: In my opinion, to meet the emissions in GSM transmit mode I believe would be near impossible. An alternative method would have been to get the Base charger approved and to use the Top GSM and main electronics part off the base when doing a transaction, just like a mobile phone. Any comments? Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: 95/54/EC Automotive Directive Conflict
Alex, I believe you can market based on the French decision. However, you should at the same time appeal your case to the people in Europe responsible for the Automotive Directive and obtain a ruling. How this is done, maybe someone else in the group can divulge this information. This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com -Original Message- From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:44 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: 95/54/EC Automotive Directive Conflict Hi Forum, I have a French ITE product destined to be used in the UK. Primarily this was not intended to be used in a vehicle but now we want to make this possible. We have created a 12V lead accessory so that it can also be used in a vehicle e.g. a taxi or bus. Our French colleagues got the OK from their Vehicle Authority, UTAC, that the Directive 95/54/EC did not apply quote "Your terminal is not designed mainly for use in cars. Therefore, Directive 95/54/EC is not applicable for terminal, but Directive 89/336/EEC is applicable". They now ship these for use in the French Market. The UK vehicle authority, VCA, has stated Directive 95/54/EC is Mandatory for this same product. Can I ship these products for use in the the UK based on the French decision without fear of prosecution from the UK authorities? Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
95/54/EC Automotive Directive Conflict
Hi Forum, I have a French ITE product destined to be used in the UK. Primarily this was not intended to be used in a vehicle but now we want to make this possible. We have created a 12V lead accessory so that it can also be used in a vehicle e.g. a taxi or bus. Our French colleagues got the OK from their Vehicle Authority, UTAC, that the Directive 95/54/EC did not apply quote "Your terminal is not designed mainly for use in cars. Therefore, Directive 95/54/EC is not applicable for terminal, but Directive 89/336/EEC is applicable". They now ship these for use in the French Market. The UK vehicle authority, VCA, has stated Directive 95/54/EC is Mandatory for this same product. Can I ship these products for use in the the UK based on the French decision without fear of prosecution from the UK authorities? Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
