Re: [PSES] wireless approvals matrix
Bob, The IEEE Servers have been experiencing problems with power outages and what not since super storm Sandy roared through New York and New Jersey. It may be a while before order is restored and all is back online. Please have patience while IEEE works to get things working again. Regards, Scott Douglas EMC-PSTC List Admin On 11/1/2012 10:07 AM, Sykes, Bob wrote: Worldly Experts, Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global wireless approval requirements. Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that document and now it would be extremely to me. It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link to them in the email footers doesn't work. Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document? adTHANKSvance, Bob Sykes Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the foregoing does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] wireless approvals matrix
Bob,I believe that document may be on the Product Compliance online communities site. Unfortunately most of the IEEE web servers are down because of the storm so I cannot verify.The URL is http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ and you need an IEEE account to view it. An IEEE account is available for either members or non-members. Visit www.ieee.org and click on the "My IEEE" link to create an account. Hopefully the sites will be back up by next week.DanFrom: Sykes, Bob [mailto:bob.sy...@gilbarco.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:07 AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: [PSES] wireless approvals matrixWorldly Experts,Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global wireless approval requirements.Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that document and now it would be extremely to me.It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link to them in the email footers doesn't work.Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document?adTHANKSvance,Bob Sykes - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] wireless approvals matrix
Worldly Experts, Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global wireless approval requirements. Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that document and now it would be extremely to me. It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link to them in the email footers doesn't work. Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document? adTHANKSvance, Bob Sykes Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the foregoing does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
RE: ITE Approvals Matrix (for small low power products)
Alex, I have just taken one of our products along this route. To answer your questions, yes you are right in your general conclusion, but I would make the following comments; 1. While all these countries standards have CISPR 22 as their parentage, it is best to make sure that your test house references all the National standards numbers in their reports. 2. An IEC CB report will maximise your international coverage, but for the US and Canada your report needs to reference the common standard UL/CSA 60950, and if I understood a recent thread on this forum correctly, you need to have your safety test and assessment carried out by an NRTL. Again, the common parentage of the standards make a one-stop assessment fairly straightforward. The only issue is that the IEC report needs to be in the prescribed format for the CB scheme, and you have to pay extra to BEAB to ratify the report. 3. I believe that you will need to conform to the relevant Ethernet or USB protocols for your device to work universally with these interfaces. There are certainly standards for USB 1.0 and 2.0, presumably also similar for Ethernet. Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager e2v technologies ltd Waterhouse Lane Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QU U.K. Tel: +44 (01245) 453616 Fax: +44 (01245) 453410 E-mail: neil.bar...@e2vtechnologies.com -Original Message- From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com] Sent: 10 September 2003 15:20 To: 'EMC-PSTC (E-mail)' Subject: ITE Approvals Matrix (for small low power products) Hi Group, May I first of all thank all of you who contributed to my query. As always I got a very comprehensive response from obviously a very experienced and talented bunch. I have also contributed more information through other sources. I have to admit that I did not realise the complexity of getting, what looks like a simple ITE product, Approved for worldwide useage. I have attached the Matrix, duly modified. There are still a few oustanding items and it is never too late for someone to try and provide more information. I feel this document will require several modifications, including a back-up text to further explain the applicable standards dates, before it is considered complete but lets see what transpires. If you have any disagreements with the updated Matrix, please feel free to contact me. Eventually, I am sure the Matrix will help many members of this group. Further Questions 1. It seems it would be better to have the products tested against CISPR22 Class B as this would cover all the countries, particularly the ones listed on this Matrix, one stop test and fee (Countries are Self Declaration or Verification)? 2. Similarly, it would seem that it would be better to have the products tested against IEC60950 with the Country deviations and obtain a CB Report, as this would cover all the countries, particularly the ones listed on this Matrix, one stop test and fee! For USA/Canada I could use this CB Report to help gain UL/CSA 60950? 3. No Ethernet nor USB standards to meet (Regulatory or non-Regulatory)? Notes: I decided to leave out the various dates from the Matrix so that I could simplify it for my Quality Group (I will have the information and it will be myself who will need to get the Approvals actioned anyhow!). Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
ITE Approvals Matrix (for small low power products)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi Group, May I first of all thank all of you who contributed to my query. As always I got a very comprehensive response from obviously a very experienced and talented bunch. I have also contributed more information through other sources. I have to admit that I did not realise the complexity of getting, what looks like a simple ITE product, Approved for worldwide useage. I have attached the Matrix, duly modified. There are still a few oustanding items and it is never too late for someone to try and provide more information. I feel this document will require several modifications, including a back-up text to further explain the applicable standards dates, before it is considered complete but lets see what transpires. If you have any disagreements with the updated Matrix, please feel free to contact me. Eventually, I am sure the Matrix will help many members of this group. Further Questions 1. It seems it would be better to have the products tested against CISPR22 Class B as this would cover all the countries, particularly the ones listed on this Matrix, one stop test and fee (Countries are Self Declaration or Verification)? 2. Similarly, it would seem that it would be better to have the products tested against IEC60950 with the Country deviations and obtain a CB Report, as this would cover all the countries, particularly the ones listed on this Matrix, one stop test and fee! For USA/Canada I could use this CB Report to help gain UL/CSA 60950? 3. No Ethernet nor USB standards to meet (Regulatory or non-Regulatory)? Notes: I decided to leave out the various dates from the Matrix so that I could simplify it for my Quality Group (I will have the information and it will be myself who will need to get the Approvals actioned anyhow!). Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com Title: ITE Approvals Matrix (for small low power products) Hi Group, May I first of all thank all of you who contributed to my query. As always I got a very comprehensive response from obviously a very experienced and talented bunch. I have also contributed more information through other sources. I have to admit that I did not realise the complexity of getting, what looks like a simple ITE product, Approved for worldwide useage. I have attached the Matrix, duly modified. There are still a few oustanding items and it is never too late for someone to try and provide more information. I feel this document will require several modifications, including a back-up text to further explain the applicable standards dates, before it is considered complete but lets see what transpires. If you have any disagreements with the updated Matrix, please feel free to contact me. Eventually, I am sure the Matrix will help many members of this group. Further Questions 1. It seems it would be better to have the products tested against CISPR22 Class B as this would cover all the countries, particularly the ones listed on this Matrix, one stop test and fee (Countries are Self Declaration or Verification)? 2. Similarly, it would seem that it would be better to have the products tested against IEC60950 with the Country deviations and obtain a CB Report, as this would cover all the countries, particularly the ones listed on this Matrix, one stop test and fee! For USA/Canada I could use this CB Report to help gain UL/CSA 60950? 3. No Ethernet nor USB standards to meet (Regulatory or non-Regulatory)? Notes: I decided to leave out the various dates from the Matrix so that I could simplify it for my Quality Group (I will have the information and it will be myself who will need to get the Approvals actioned anyhow!). Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com Approvals Matrix_100903.xls Description: Binary data
RE: Approvals Matrix
Alex, I think your matrix is a great idea but for Australia and NZ (Australia in particular) it is not that simple to cover all the compliance issues for your product categories in a matrix this simple. Joe Randolph was correct about PSTN standards for Australia and NZ (AS/ACIF S002 and PTC 200). Concerning safety, ACA TS001:1997 is the present requirement. This should change very soon however to allow compliance with either AS/NZS 60950:2000 or TS001. AS/NZS 60950:2000 = IEC 60950 + Australian national deviations. There is likely to be a brief transitional period where compliance with either standard is acceptable then TS001 will be withdrawn and compliance with AS/NZS 60950:2000 will be required. For Australia and NZ there is a large amount of information required to be added concerning your major categories: - If Modem - ISDN - If Wireless - Short Range - Bluetooth - If Wireless - Short Range - 433 MHz - If Wireless - Long Range - GSM - If Wireless - Long Range - CDMA Unfortunately I can not spare the time here to populate your matrix for you for Australia and NZ. Sorry. If you really want to work on adding more information for Australia and NZ please contact me direct. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Alex McNeil Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 5:23 PM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: Approvals Matrix Hi Group, I have started an Approvals matrix for Europe, North America and Australasia for typical low power ITE office products. I would be extremely grateful if those experts amongst you could comment on the validity and indeed add to it. Thanks in anticipation of your usual response. Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Approvals Matrix
In a message dated 9/5/2003, Alex McNeil writes: I have started an Approvals matrix for Europe, North America and Australasia for typical low power ITE office products. I would be extremely grateful if those experts amongst you could comment on the validity and indeed add to it. Hi Alex: Just a technicality, but TBR 21 is no longer a regulatory requirement for analog PSTN equipment in the EU. It was formally withdrawn on April 8, 2000 when the RTTE directive was adopted. Under the RTTE directive, analog PSTN products are only subject to the applicable safety and EMC requirements. Many manufacturers have been uncomfortable with having no regulations whatsoever for the parameters formerly covered by TBR 21, so they have continued to self-impose TBR 21 compliance. However, TBR 21 has no regulatory significance. You may be interested to know that last month ETSI issued an updated document that is intended to replace TBR 21 as an advisory standard. The document number is TS 103 021, and it is available for download on the ETSI site (in three parts). In this document, some of the TBR 21 requirements have been revised and some new requirements have been added. Thus, if you want to show an advisory standard in your matrix, you should probably list TS 103 021 instead of TBR 21. The current analog PSTN spec for Australia is AS/ACIF S002:2001. For New Zealand the current spec is PTC 200 (1997). The safety requirements for all of the countries in your chart are based on IEC 60950, but each country has their own version with its own name. In Europe it is EN 60950, in the USA and Canada it is a binational standard often referred to as UL/CSA 60950 (but technically UL 60950 and CAN/CSA-C22.2 No. 60950-00), and in Australia I believe it is (finally) AS/NZS 60950. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 j...@randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com
RE: Approvals Matrix
Alex I modified some parts but I am sure not to be complete. GSM is our special area and there are differences between regulatory testing and testing needed to get the access to the carrier networks. This testing is not covered for US and Canada in the table and the device has to be approved by the PTCRB before the carriers start their own testing. This structure is to complicated to be explained by a short email. If you need more information their, I am sure our GSM experts can help you. Regards Lothar Schmidt BQB Technical Manager EMC/Radio/SAR CETECOM Inc. 411 Dixon Landing Road Milpitas, CA 95035 ' +1 408 586 6214 7 +1 408 586 6299 From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:23 AM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: Approvals Matrix Hi Group, I have started an Approvals matrix for Europe, North America and Australasia for typical low power ITE office products. I would be extremely grateful if those experts amongst you could comment on the validity and indeed add to it. Thanks in anticipation of your usual response. Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Download free spam killer at http://eliminatespam.com File: Approval Synthesis w336.xls This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Approvals Matrix
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi Group, I have started an Approvals matrix for Europe, North America and Australasia for typical low power ITE office products. I would be extremely grateful if those experts amongst you could comment on the validity and indeed add to it. Thanks in anticipation of your usual response. Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Title: Approvals Matrix Hi Group, I have started an Approvals matrix for Europe, North America and Australasia for typical low power ITE office products. I would be extremely grateful if those experts amongst you could comment on the validity and indeed add to it. Thanks in anticipation of your usual response. Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Approval Synthesis w336.xls Description: Binary data
