Re: EN60335-2-82 and EN60335-1 evaluation question
In message 3ee86ad92981ee459380890b8f2c8eecb246142...@chiefwiggum.ncee.local, dated Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com writes: One thing I found in doing a little digging into similar products is that many items that we thought were in the scope of 60335-1 (and 60335-2-82 in some cases) were evaluated to 60950-1. Some were evaluated to 60335-1, but nowhere did I see any reference to 60335-2-82. Granted the search was limited to on-line and what I could find from Nebraska is going to vary greatly from what someone may be able to sample from the UK. We know this misapplication happens, but only in a few countries is there any surveillance that would disclose it before an 'incident' occurs. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Plural: data, criteria. Singular: datum (different meaning: use 'data element' for a single item), criterion. 'Effect' is a noun, 'affect' is a verb (except in psychiatry). - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
RE: EN60335-2-82 and EN60335-1 evaluation question
Nick, Thanks for your response. We are actually looking forward to performing the beer test as it seems to be set to mimic a pint being spilled down the product. One thing I found in doing a little digging into similar products is that many items that we thought were in the scope of 60335-1 (and 60335-2-82 in some cases) were evaluated to 60950-1. Some were evaluated to 60335-1, but nowhere did I see any reference to 60335-2-82. Granted the search was limited to on-line and what I could find from Nebraska is going to vary greatly from what someone may be able to sample from the UK. Happy holidays, Doug -Original Message- From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:51 AM To: Doug Kramer Cc: 'EMC-PSTC' Subject: Re: EN60335-2-82 and EN60335-1 evaluation question Yes, this test needs to be applied to the complete product, including the monitor, and the product must pass it. The test is supposed to simulate one of the foreseeable misuse conditions which it is reasonable to expect that the equipment will be exposed to when in use. This is exactly why the choice of standards for any particular product are based on the use to which a piece of equipment is put, not just what the equipment consists of. Nick. At 09:43 -0600 17/12/10, Doug Kramer wrote: In review of an arcade system to EN60335-1 and EN60335-2-82, there is a requirement to pour quite a bit of liquid over any surfaces less than 2m above the ground then high-pot it. The product in question uses a monitor evaluated to EN60950-1 as a display without any additional covers. The question: Should this monitor pass the test? (Testing will be performed, but I want to manage the customers' expectations before testing) Are amusement machines being evaluated to the two harmonized standards above in practice? If anyone has particular experience in evaluating pinball machines or other amusement machines please contact me offline. Thanks, Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: EN60335-2-82 and EN60335-1 evaluation question
Yes, this test needs to be applied to the complete product, including the monitor, and the product must pass it. The test is supposed to simulate one of the foreseeable misuse conditions which it is reasonable to expect that the equipment will be exposed to when in use. This is exactly why the choice of standards for any particular product are based on the use to which a piece of equipment is put, not just what the equipment consists of. Nick. At 09:43 -0600 17/12/10, Doug Kramer wrote: In review of an arcade system to EN60335-1 and EN60335-2-82, there is a requirement to pour quite a bit of liquid over any surfaces less than 2m above the ground then high-pot it. The product in question uses a monitor evaluated to EN60950-1 as a display without any additional covers. The question: Should this monitor pass the test? (Testing will be performed, but I want to manage the customers' expectations before testing) Are amusement machines being evaluated to the two harmonized standards above in practice? If anyone has particular experience in evaluating pinball machines or other amusement machines please contact me offline. Thanks, Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
EN60335-2-82 and EN60335-1 evaluation question
In review of an arcade system to EN60335-1 and EN60335-2-82, there is a requirement to pour quite a bit of liquid over any surfaces less than 2m above the ground then high-pot it. The product in question uses a monitor evaluated to EN60950-1 as a display without any additional covers. The question: Should this monitor pass the test? (Testing will be performed, but I want to manage the customers’ expectations before testing) Are amusement machines being evaluated to the two harmonized standards above in practice? If anyone has particular experience in evaluating pinball machines or other amusement machines please contact me offline. Thanks, Doug Kramer dkra...@nceelabs.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: presumption of conformity of En60335-1
I'm left uncertain about the whether the following has reached its date of cessation and therefore lost a presumption of conformity if used as a test standard for the LVD. EN60335-1:1994 +A1+A11+A12 We don't have the A2 amendment. Thanks, Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
EN60335-1:2002
Hello all: I'm a long time lurker, first time poster. Can anyone advise me as to when the latest version of this standard will be published in the O.J.? Thanks in advance, Brian Ceresney Regulatory Technologist Engineering Xantrex Technology Inc. Email: brian.ceres...@xantrex.com Website: www.xantrex.com t: 604/422.2549 f: 604/420.1591 Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: EN60335-1
Mark, We are going to sell this speaker product to European market when bundle with the 230V version of AC/AC adaptor. Speaker bundle with AC/AC adaptor of 110/100V vresion will most likely be sold to US, Japan and other regions that requires this voltage. My main conern here is that should we accept the AC/AC adaptor compliance with EN60335-1 or request them to have it comply to EN60742 or EN60065 or EN60950 std. Regards Koh Mark Barry wrote: Dear Koh, The IEC 335-1 is the Standard of Household and Similiar Appliances, General Requirements. The IEC 742 pertains to Isolating transformers and Safety isolating transformers requirements. Both of these standards have equivalent EN standards which are EN 60335-1, and EN 60335:95. The standard noted below EN 60335-2-207 I as of now cannot find any reference too. The IEC and EN standard on 335 are still valid for the European market, so my question is what market are you selling into? Mark -Original Message- From: Koh Nai Ghee [mailto:koh...@cyberway.com.sg] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: EN60335-1 Dear EMC-PSTC, My company is currently designing a speaker system meant for ITE (that is PC) connection. The speaker requires external supply which the hardware team is looking into using a AC/AC adaptor instead of AC/DC adaptor. This AC/AC adaptor which steps down the 230Vac or 110Vac to the required low voltage for the speaker supply. A supplier of such AC/AC adaptor has said that their product complies to EN60335-1 standards. As I'm not familar with this standard, and need advice on the following doubts. 1) Is this EN60335-1 equivalent to IEC 742 ? 2) Heard from a colleague (from his source) that EN 60335-2-207 should be the standard ? 3) Was browing through the LVD Harmonised standard and unable to find this 60335-2-207. Could someone advice what is this standard ? 4) Is this supplier statement of the AC/AC adaptor conforms to EN60335-1 sufficient? Or should this AC/AC adaptor meant for household electrical appliance required to fulfil EN60335-2-207 standard ? 5) Does EN60335-1 applicable to AC-AC adapter only ? 6) Are this standards (EN60335-1 and EN60335-2-207) still valid? Or it has been obsolete/replaced? 7) Could this AC/AC adapter that complied with EN60335-1 be bundled with ITE product meant for Home or Office use? Looking forward to you advice. Thanks in advance. Regards Koh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EN60335-1
Dear Koh, The IEC 335-1 is the Standard of Household and Similiar Appliances, General Requirements. The IEC 742 pertains to Isolating transformers and Safety isolating transformers requirements. Both of these standards have equivalent EN standards which are EN 60335-1, and EN 60335:95. The standard noted below EN 60335-2-207 I as of now cannot find any reference too. The IEC and EN standard on 335 are still valid for the European market, so my question is what market are you selling into? Mark -Original Message- From: Koh Nai Ghee [mailto:koh...@cyberway.com.sg] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: EN60335-1 Dear EMC-PSTC, My company is currently designing a speaker system meant for ITE (that is PC) connection. The speaker requires external supply which the hardware team is looking into using a AC/AC adaptor instead of AC/DC adaptor. This AC/AC adaptor which steps down the 230Vac or 110Vac to the required low voltage for the speaker supply. A supplier of such AC/AC adaptor has said that their product complies to EN60335-1 standards. As I'm not familar with this standard, and need advice on the following doubts. 1) Is this EN60335-1 equivalent to IEC 742 ? 2) Heard from a colleague (from his source) that EN 60335-2-207 should be the standard ? 3) Was browing through the LVD Harmonised standard and unable to find this 60335-2-207. Could someone advice what is this standard ? 4) Is this supplier statement of the AC/AC adaptor conforms to EN60335-1 sufficient? Or should this AC/AC adaptor meant for household electrical appliance required to fulfil EN60335-2-207 standard ? 5) Does EN60335-1 applicable to AC-AC adapter only ? 6) Are this standards (EN60335-1 and EN60335-2-207) still valid? Or it has been obsolete/replaced? 7) Could this AC/AC adapter that complied with EN60335-1 be bundled with ITE product meant for Home or Office use? Looking forward to you advice. Thanks in advance. Regards Koh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EN60335-1
Dear EMC-PSTC, My company is currently designing a speaker system meant for ITE (that is PC) connection. The speaker requires external supply which the hardware team is looking into using a AC/AC adaptor instead of AC/DC adaptor. This AC/AC adaptor which steps down the 230Vac or 110Vac to the required low voltage for the speaker supply. A supplier of such AC/AC adaptor has said that their product complies to EN60335-1 standards. As I'm not familar with this standard, and need advice on the following doubts. 1) Is this EN60335-1 equivalent to IEC 742 ? 2) Heard from a colleague (from his source) that EN 60335-2-207 should be the standard ? 3) Was browing through the LVD Harmonised standard and unable to find this 60335-2-207. Could someone advice what is this standard ? 4) Is this supplier statement of the AC/AC adaptor conforms to EN60335-1 sufficient? Or should this AC/AC adaptor meant for household electrical appliance required to fulfil EN60335-2-207 standard ? 5) Does EN60335-1 applicable to AC-AC adapter only ? 6) Are this standards (EN60335-1 and EN60335-2-207) still valid? Or it has been obsolete/replaced? 7) Could this AC/AC adapter that complied with EN60335-1 be bundled with ITE product meant for Home or Office use? Looking forward to you advice. Thanks in advance. Regards Koh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
