FW: RTTE Directive, Radio EIRP Test- Clarification
Dear All, I will appreciate your opinions concerning the following: 1. RTTE Radio standards include for products having an integral antenna, a radiated power/ spurious test (EIRP), based on the substitution antenna method. 2. The final test result is: signal generator level + overall correction factors The overall correction factor consists mainly of the coaxial cable loss and substitution antenna gain. 3. According to ETSI TR 100027, (page 89), the overall correction factor consists of various losses with a plus (+) sign and gain of substitution antenna with a minus (-) sign. 4. According to my understanding, the EIRP test result is the signal generator power delivered to an isotropic antenna port. Therefore the signs should be reversed: e.g.: a. The coaxial cable loss redices the level delivered to the substitution antenna port (minus (-) sign). b. With a substitution antenna having gain (Horn Antenna), less signal generator power (plus (+) sign) will be required. 5. Any comments. Regards Shaike Raz EMC Laboratory Manager EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar Bin Nun Israel Tel: +972-8-9797799 Fax: +972-8-9797702 Email: s...@itl.co.il http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
FW: RTTE directive
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From: Corinne SALINGRE [SMTP:corinne.salin...@cstelecom.com]
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Subject: Re: RTTE directive
This is a very 'touchy' discussion matter now in Brussels...
Main points :
* difference between 'a' declaration of conformity (writing indicating
that the product is in compliance with the essentail requirements of the
RTTE directive) and 'the' DoC (copy of the original) to be included in the
package : this makes a great difference ('a' DoC can be written in advance,
'the' DoC is often signed in the latest moment ...)
* 'a' DoC can be in the same language than the notice it is included
in, 'the' DoC will be in one (or 1+english) language (the language of the
manufacturer + eventually english). My boss will not signed a paper in 12
languages (and especially if he does not understand what he is signing !)
Even if a decision is made in Brussels, remember that only the local law is
applicable in one country. So some countries can require that 'a' or 'the'
DoC included in the package to be in their language.
Where is harmonization ?
Wait and see ...
Corinne Salingre
CS TELECOM, France
wo...@sensormatic.com mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com a écrit :
I don't recall reading anything in the directive that indicates
the DoC must
be in multiple languages. If you know otherwise, please specify
the section
number.
Richard Woods
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Subject: Fwd:RTTE directive
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Subject: RTTE directive
Author: k...@i-data.com mailto:k...@i-data.com
Date: 5/23/00 12:12 PM
Dear all
According to the new RTTE directive we will have to
supply our
Declaration
of Conformity in all EU languages.
Is RTTE accepted as a reference in all languages or do I
need to
translate
it ?
If I need to translate do anyone know an easy way to do
this ?
Best regards,
Kim Boll Jensen
i-data international
Denmark
P.S. The danish translation is: Rådets direktiv om Radio
og
Teleterminaludstyr 1999/5/EF
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FW: RTTE Directive Implimentation Transitions Periods (Low power UHF data tranceiver) etc
Ed A resend of the essage earlier today because it was too big due to the attachments, which I have now replaced with the URL's as suggested. Regards John -- From: John Allen[SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] Sent: 28 October 1999 10:26 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'WOODS, RICHARD' Subject:RTTE Directive Implimentation Transitions Periods (Low power UHF data tranceiver) etc Hi Folks Here are a couple of documents that I downloaded off the RTTE Site in Belgium - they are both Dec 98 vintage, but I have yet to find anything later that is public. http://www.ispo.cec.be/infosoc/telecompolicy/typeappr/directiv/implemen t/workplan.doc This is the overall work plan for the RTTE Steering Group - with some of the general approaches stated. http://www.ispo.cec.be/infosoc/telecompolicy/typeappr/steering/2/(sg2)7 .doc This is the Draft Work Programme for standards intended to become Harmonised Standards under the RTTE Directive They both make moderately interesting reading: Page 2 (Rationale, 2nd para, and last para on this page) of the latter document certainly does imply a transition period - but does not state actual timescales - for equipment that complies with standards that are hamonized under the TTE/SES Directive (98/13/EC). On page 3 (Activity 2, etc) for equipment where no harmonised standards exist - and this would presumably include some radio equipment - no transition period is stated or implied. The wording does imply (if I read it correctly) that existing national specs are to be examined to determine the minimum compliance and test elements necessary to establish compliance with the essential requirements of the RTTE Directive, and these are to used for establishing compliance with the Directive. However, I would also assume that this means that the Directive Annex IV or V route will be compulsory and will involve an outside Notified Body. So it looks to me that we (the manufacturers) need to start talking to RTTE Notified Bodies (are there any yet?) asap where our equipment falls into this group. On the general subject of transition periods, Article 3.19 of the first document states the following: Monitoring of application of interim provision in the Member States Article 14.3 provides for the possibility for Member States to retain no harm to the network requirements for an interim period for equipment used in universal service. This exemption was requested by France, but is a general provision. It is to be monitored, which Member States will make use of this provision and whether it is actually withdrawn after 30 months. This seems to imply someone has a 30 month period in mind for transitions - but I cannot see when this is intended to start - at the date of adoption of the Directive (March 99) or of implementation of its implementation (April 2000). Does anyone have any ideas or more information? Regards John Allen Racal Defence Systems Ltd Bracknell England -- From: WOODS, RICHARD[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 22 October 1999 13:55 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:RE: Low power UHF data tranceiver Let's think about this logically, although there is no particular reason why the DG has to be logical. But, let's assume it anyway. And let's assume that the implementation plan of the UK is similar to that of the other members. The UK has stated that they have no plans to implement the directive prior to the deadline of April 8, 2000. So, here I am with a transmitter that has no harmonized standards nor is there a notified body. How can I possibly obtain information about the test suite from a notified body, test, notify the national authorities 4 weeks in advance of my intention to market, update the user information and packaging markings and then transport and market my devices in zero days! -- From: John Allen [SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 6:14 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'WOODS, RICHARD' Cc: 'BSI: White Ken'; Robinson Colin Subject: RE: Low power UHF data tranceiver Hi Folks There is obviously a complete conflict between what Roger says and what Richard says! Could it be that the following applies? a) Where CTR's etc already exist under the TTE/SES Directive - as I have seen stated in some the RTTE Directive Adhoc Steering Group on Market Surveillance documents given on the following site http://www.ispo.cec.be/infosoc/telecompolicy/typeappr/ahgsurv.htm; (and identified documents - a very useful and interesting URL!) that these will provide a presumption of compliance with the RTTE Directive. Thus permitting a transition period of 12 months (or whatever) during which the DoC's can refer to either Directive? but b) Where no CTR's exist (notably for many items of
