RE: Faying
Well, maybe. I think you mean the word spelled "fey." Also from the Encarta World English Dictionary: fey 1. (omitted) 2. SUPERNATURAL - relating to or typical of magic or the supernatural 3. CLAIRVOYANT - supposedly able to see into the future 4. SCOTLAND - DOOMED TO DIE [Old English faege, fated to die, of prehistoric Germanic origin] not fay a fairy, elf, or other small supernatural being from folklore Via Old French fa(i)e "fairy" from Latin Fata, the goddess of fate, from fatum. OUR word is from Old English fegan. "Ultimately from an Indo-European base meaning 'to fasten,' which is also the ancestor of English impale, compact and peace." There is also a separate meaning of "fay" which is faith "religious or personal (archaic)" from Old French fei, earlier feid. And while I am reading the dictionary, there's "fay," short for "ofay," an insult. [early 20th century] I believe the last to be from Creole for egg, as in "white egg" from French "oueffe." (sp?) NOTE: I am unable to reproduce in ASCII the boldface, italics and accent marks used in the dictionary. Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: Faying
Yeah, blame John! :) For what it's worth, in the 25 years I have been involved in the mechanical packaging design of electronic enclosures, I have never heard of the word "faying". One can't help but wonder if someone just misspelled "facing". Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: April 1, 2002 6:47 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC List' Subject: Faying A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread discussing bonding techniques for ground studs. I suggested that MIL-B-5087 had some nice drawings showing typical accepted military practices. Of course, MIL-B-5087 has been superseded by MIL-STD-464, but you can still find electronic copies of MIL-B-5087. Jacob Shanker read through all of the 464 sections on Bonding, and then asked me if I knew what the term "faying" meant. It seems that MIL-STD-464 uses that term without any definition, as if it's a very common American English word. IMHO, I consider myself to possess a rather decent vocabulary. But "faying" left me puzzled, even after closely reading the context of the several citings in MIL-STD-464. It's certainly not in any common usage in my part of the world. I certainly wouldn't want to call something "faying" at any typical US military base. So, off to the dictionary web sites. 1. Britannica says: "not found". 2. Merriam Webster says: Main Entry: fay // Pronunciation: 'fA // Function: verb Etymology: Middle English feien, from Old English fEgan; akin to Old High German fuogen to fit, Latin pangere to fasten Date: before 12th century : to fit or join closely or tightly 3. Harcourt's Metallurgy Engineering Dictionary says: faying surface // Metallurgy: the interface between two metallic parts that are to be joined. 4. Finally, turning to Google in desperation for a simple explanation, I find pictures at: http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-corner/reading/bolt-tension/bolt_ten sion .htm So after all this searching, I find that MIL-STD-464 "faying" is just a 12th Century Old English way to say "facing" or "mating" surfaces. I'm not sure how he did it, but I suspect John Woodgate is to blame for this. Regards, Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: Faying
Greeting fellow vocabularians, The root word, 'fay" is ancient Scottish, meaning to have the power of prediction. Those of you that are fay may have seen this coming. I wonder if anticipating grounding is similar to expecting volts. Regards, Alan Brewster Senior Systems Safety Engineer -- From: Price, Ed [SMTP:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:47 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC List' Subject: Faying A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread discussing bonding techniques for ground studs. I suggested that MIL-B-5087 had some nice drawings showing typical accepted military practices. Of course, MIL-B-5087 has been superseded by MIL-STD-464, but you can still find electronic copies of MIL-B-5087. Jacob Shanker read through all of the 464 sections on Bonding, and then asked me if I knew what the term "faying" meant. It seems that MIL-STD-464 uses that term without any definition, as if it's a very common American English word. IMHO, I consider myself to possess a rather decent vocabulary. But "faying" left me puzzled, even after closely reading the context of the several citings in MIL-STD-464. It's certainly not in any common usage in my part of the world. I certainly wouldn't want to call something "faying" at any typical US military base. So, off to the dictionary web sites. 1. Britannica says: "not found". 2. Merriam Webster says: Main Entry: fay // Pronunciation: 'fA // Function: verb Etymology: Middle English feien, from Old English fEgan; akin to Old High German fuogen to fit, Latin pangere to fasten Date: before 12th century : to fit or join closely or tightly 3. Harcourt's Metallurgy Engineering Dictionary says: faying surface // Metallurgy: the interface between two metallic parts that are to be joined. 4. Finally, turning to Google in desperation for a simple explanation, I find pictures at: http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-corner/reading/bolt-tension/bolt_tension .htm So after all this searching, I find that MIL-STD-464 "faying" is just a 12th Century Old English way to say "facing" or "mating" surfaces. I'm not sure how he did it, but I suspect John Woodgate is to blame for this. Regards, Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: Faying
The Encarta World English Dictionary says: Fay to join pieces of wood together tightly, or fit tightly inside another piece of wood. Do note this is a hard-cover dictionary, NOT an online one. I have not (yet) looked online. Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: Faying
Ed, Thank you. Especially the part blaming Woodgate. My grandfather's name was Fay (son of Irish immigrant) and I always wondered at the origin of that name. - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -Original Message- From: Price, Ed To: 'EMC-PSTC List' List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Faying > >A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread discussing bonding techniques for >ground studs. I suggested that MIL-B-5087 had some nice drawings showing >typical accepted military practices. Of course, MIL-B-5087 has been >superseded by MIL-STD-464, but you can still find electronic copies of >MIL-B-5087. > >Jacob Shanker read through all of the 464 sections on Bonding, and then >asked me if I knew what the term "faying" meant. It seems that MIL-STD-464 >uses that term without any definition, as if it's a very common American >English word. IMHO, I consider myself to possess a rather decent vocabulary. >But "faying" left me puzzled, even after closely reading the context of the >several citings in MIL-STD-464. It's certainly not in any common usage in my >part of the world. I certainly wouldn't want to call something "faying" at >any typical US military base. So, off to the dictionary web sites. > >1. Britannica says: "not found". >2. Merriam Webster says: Main Entry: fay // Pronunciation: 'fA // Function: >verb > Etymology: Middle English feien, from Old English fEgan; akin to Old High >German fuogen to fit, Latin pangere to fasten > Date: before 12th century : to fit or join closely or tightly >3. Harcourt's Metallurgy Engineering Dictionary says: faying surface // >Metallurgy: the interface between two metallic parts that are to be joined. >4. Finally, turning to Google in desperation for a simple explanation, I >find pictures at: >http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-corner/reading/bolt-tension/bolt_tensio n >.htm > >So after all this searching, I find that MIL-STD-464 "faying" is just a 12th >Century Old English way to say "facing" or "mating" surfaces. I'm not sure >how he did it, but I suspect John Woodgate is to blame for this. > >Regards, > >Ed > > >Ed Price >ed.pr...@cubic.com >Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab >Cubic Defense Systems >San Diego, CA USA >858-505-2780 (Voice) >858-505-1583 (Fax) >Military & Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty >Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis > > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Faying
A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread discussing bonding techniques for ground studs. I suggested that MIL-B-5087 had some nice drawings showing typical accepted military practices. Of course, MIL-B-5087 has been superseded by MIL-STD-464, but you can still find electronic copies of MIL-B-5087. Jacob Shanker read through all of the 464 sections on Bonding, and then asked me if I knew what the term "faying" meant. It seems that MIL-STD-464 uses that term without any definition, as if it's a very common American English word. IMHO, I consider myself to possess a rather decent vocabulary. But "faying" left me puzzled, even after closely reading the context of the several citings in MIL-STD-464. It's certainly not in any common usage in my part of the world. I certainly wouldn't want to call something "faying" at any typical US military base. So, off to the dictionary web sites. 1. Britannica says: "not found". 2. Merriam Webster says: Main Entry: fay // Pronunciation: 'fA // Function: verb Etymology: Middle English feien, from Old English fEgan; akin to Old High German fuogen to fit, Latin pangere to fasten Date: before 12th century : to fit or join closely or tightly 3. Harcourt's Metallurgy Engineering Dictionary says: faying surface // Metallurgy: the interface between two metallic parts that are to be joined. 4. Finally, turning to Google in desperation for a simple explanation, I find pictures at: http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-corner/reading/bolt-tension/bolt_tension .htm So after all this searching, I find that MIL-STD-464 "faying" is just a 12th Century Old English way to say "facing" or "mating" surfaces. I'm not sure how he did it, but I suspect John Woodgate is to blame for this. Regards, Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
