RE: CE marking of equipment for military facilities
Hi Folks Slight error in my previous message: In the Treaty of Rome, the possibility of exemptions for military equipment is now covered in Article 296 - not 226 as previously mentioned. Sorry for any confusion caused. John Allen --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: CE marking of equipment for military facilities
Alexandru & Friends Been there, done that (many times!): LVD: - No exemptions in Directive, or none found in any national legislation. EMC Directive: - No Exemption in Directive, but most EU countries (Not Holland and a couple of others) have implemented exemptions in national legislation under Article 226 (was 221) of the Treaty of Rome). In UK this exemption is not automatic, but is stated to be at the iscretion of tne Secretary of State for Defence. Nevertheless we do not have any trouble with our UK MoD Customers when we just claim exemption on the basis that we will meet the equivalent DEF 59-41 EMC standards. Other countries may or may not accept the same approach Machinery Directive: - Article 1 paragraph 3 includes the following exemption "- machines specially designed and constructed for military or police purposes". All national legislation is assumed to include the same exemption. (Note: R&TTE Directive has a similar, but differently worded, exemption in Article 1, paragraph 5) However, watch out for: a) Equipment which is not exclusively for military use, which is then termed to be "dual use" - in which case it must meet the requirements for commercial sales, regards of whether it is sold to the commercial or military markets. This means that your commercial equipment must meet the CE requirements. b) Military customers who want the CE Marking regardless of the letter of the law. Regards John Allen Thales Communications Ltd Bracknell UK -Original Message- From: Alexandru Guidea [mailto:gui...@cae.com] Sent: 04 March 2002 21:13 To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: CE marking of equipment for military facilities Imp
Re: CE marking of equipment for military facilities
During my final active duty tour, with the US Army in Germany, we deployed Korean-War-vintage, manual telephone switchboards for less critical telephone circuits. That was OK as long as we kept them on US bases and connected them only to US lines, but as soon as we connected them to Bundespost leased circuit, we had to pay a daily fine of (I believe) some hundreds of Marks, because the equipment was not VDE-approved. Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: CE marking of equipment for military facilities
Alexandru, A couple of years ago, I was involved with the testing of a piece of "military equipment" manufactured in the US and going to the EU. It was part of an elaborate weapons system. It was being "sponsored" by a department of the US government and was being delivered to a military base in Europe. It was quite an unusual project. I quickly learned that the usual customs warnings and labeling advice was falling on deaf ears. There were to be no customs and no labeling. A dedicated truck brought the equipment to us in Atlanta, GA from an area in the Southwest US. When testing was complete, the same truck returned from cross country to pick up the equipment. I was told the one-of-a-kind equipment was being taken to a US airbase for shipment to the European military base, (i.e. no customs). The only reason the manufacturer was testing for CE (EMC and Safety) was to do their due diligence in the event someone was injured using the equipment upon installation. Your "obligation" question may partially be answered in how the equipment is going to cross the borders and, strangely enough, if your shipper/consignee has more authority than the customs agents. This is just an opinion based on my point of view, from a project where the rules SEEM to have been suspended due to the nature of the product and players in the game. Best Regards, Scott Proffitt Advanced Compliance Solutions, Inc. 770-831-8048 www.acstestlab.com From: Alexandru Guidea To: Internet Mail::["'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'" ] Subject: CE marking of equipment for military facilities List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 3/4/02 4:12 PM Dear colleagues, Need your expert opinion regarding the obligation to CE mark commercial equipment (installation) intended to be used in foreign military bases on European soil, assuming compliance with equivalent MIL/DEF standards is not required. Under "normal" circumstances, this equipment would be CE marked to LVD, Machinery, and EMC Directives. Thanks, Alexandru Guidea CAE Inc. Montreal, Canada --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: CE marking of equipment for military facilities
I read in !emc-pstc that Alexandru Guidea wrote (in <1c89780c4179d3118c580090277193580fc10...@caemsx01.cae.ca>) about 'CE marking of equipment for military facilities', on Mon, 4 Mar 2002: >Need your expert opinion regarding the obligation to CE mark commercial >equipment (installation) intended to be used in foreign military bases on >European soil, assuming compliance with equivalent MIL/DEF standards is not >required. Under "normal" circumstances, this equipment would be CE marked to >LVD, Machinery, and EMC Directives. It probably depends on the country concerned, also who is buying the products. In UK, for example, the buyer of such non-military products for service accommodation is a civilian organization, and CE marking is required. But if, in another country, the military authorities buy the stuff, they can probably decide more or less independently whether they need CE marking or not. In some sensitive locations, they may want tighter limits! -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
